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Post by Mister Spaceman on Jun 21, 2021 10:26:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I left behind my music snobbery quite some time ago and have adopted a live and let live attitude about other people's tastes. And brutalis , what you said about the folks all watching Lawrence Welk together in the nursing home common room really brought a smile to my face. I will say for my part, though, on Lawrence Welk: when I was a kid, my mom watched that show every Sunday evening and that was usually the signal for me to go to another room and pull out a comic book or something; on Saturdays evening it was my dad watching Hee Haw. It was a true double-whammy of what I thought was badness (later, though, I learned to appreciate the amazing musical talent of Roy Clark in particular, but also Buck Owens). Ha - I had a very similar experience with that particular double-whammy, except for me it only happened if I was at my paternal grandparents' place. Both of those shows were unbearably corny to me. But, yeah, I did learn to appreciate Buck Owens much later in life (I respect Roy Clark's incredible technique but his actual recordings don't do much for me). And I'm intrigued by the whole notion of a country-style Laugh-In and the fact that it lasted for such an incredibly long time.
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Post by Mister Spaceman on Jun 21, 2021 10:29:41 GMT -5
Regarding the discussion about judging music, my own musical horizons got bigger when I let go of love/hate, good/bad binaries. If something doesn't speak to me I don't label it as bad but just recognize that I'm not the audience for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 10:33:10 GMT -5
My point, which maybe I didn't make very well, had nothing to do with the quality of Mr. Welk's entertainment. Or even the lack thereof. Led Zeppelin's last studio album was in 1979. That was 42 years ago. I'm willing to bet the farm that at that time, little Billy didn't finish listening to In Through the Out Door and then immediately put on some Rudy Vallee or jam some Fred Astaire music. They both had big hits in 1937, which was 42 years prior. There may have been a few oddballs who did...but nobody that I knew. Hell I was the only one I knew who was listening to Hank Williams in 1979 (his career started in 1937). The point is that expecting kids today to listen to Zeppelin is like expecting kids in the 70s to listen to Rudy Vallee or Fred Astaire. It probably does happen more often now than it did then because Boomers have made sure their music has so thoroughly saturated every U.S. medium that you have to try to get away from it. And it's called "classic rock" because marketing executives bet that Boomers would eat that terminology up. And they were right. Little Billy finished listening to "In Through the Out Door" and then put on "Van Halen I" and the cycle started anew! No, seriously, absolutely true that the old classics never become the mainstream sound again. There are some fairly timeless examples, like the Beatles for sure (I'm witnessing my son getting into them heavy like when I was a kid). But even just in the 80's, it was Prince, Michael Jackson, Van Halen, New Wave, etc. Some nods to the Beatles and Zeppelin here and there maybe, and the market for "classic radio stations" was certainly there, but overall the times had changed significantly even by that point. You then take a full 4 decades to your point, the appreciation of older material does tend to wane significantly in a "everything has it's season" way, sad as it may be to some of us. I also don't really understand how the word "Boomer" is being used anymore. I remember my parents being considered Baby Boomers, and my generation getting the "Gen X" label. There have been a LOT of musical (and other societal) trends over the last several decades...maybe Boomer just generically means "old" now, I'm not sure.
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Post by Farrar on Jun 21, 2021 10:41:14 GMT -5
This is not a shot to anyone in particular but I get annoyed when I PM a member of this forum and they don't respond, even when I know they are actively posting during the same time. I get that it's a fast paced world but , manners matter. I don't believe in ghosting anyone when they PM me, so I don't expect anyone to ghost me. I can handle that you don't want to interact with me , but please say so. End of rant. I'm not sure what the default setting is, but maybe they have it set at "weekly" notification or something (as opposed to instant), so they don't see it right away. I know there have been times when I haven't received notifications. I log into the site and I'm surprised because I wasn't notified of PMs.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 21, 2021 10:56:30 GMT -5
This is not a shot to anyone in particular but I get annoyed when I PM a member of this forum and they don't respond, even when I know they are actively posting during the same time. I get that it's a fast paced world but , manners matter. I don't believe in ghosting anyone when they PM me, so I don't expect anyone to ghost me. I can handle that you don't want to interact with me , but please say so. End of rant. A lot of times when I login, I have limited time and something I specifically came to post or do, so I've been guilty of letting my inbox go unread for a day at times, especially if I'm in the middle of conversations with multiple members and don't have time to get to them all. I realize you're not talking about me, but I wouldn't take it personally, my good man.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 21, 2021 11:10:16 GMT -5
My point, which maybe I didn't make very well, had nothing to do with the quality of Mr. Welk's entertainment. Or even the lack thereof. Led Zeppelin's last studio album was in 1979. That was 42 years ago. I'm willing to bet the farm that at that time, little Billy didn't finish listening to In Through the Out Door and then immediately put on some Rudy Vallee or jam some Fred Astaire music. They both had big hits in 1937, which was 42 years prior. There may have been a few oddballs who did...but nobody that I knew. Hell I was the only one I knew who was listening to Hank Williams in 1979 (his career started in 1937). The point is that expecting kids today to listen to Zeppelin is like expecting kids in the 70s to listen to Rudy Vallee or Fred Astaire. It probably does happen more often now than it did then because Boomers have made sure their music has so thoroughly saturated every U.S. medium that you have to try to get away from it. And it's called "classic rock" because marketing executives bet that Boomers would eat that terminology up. And they were right. I also don't really understand how the word "Boomer" is being used anymore. I remember my parents being considered Baby Boomers, and my generation getting the "Gen X" label. There have been a LOT of musical (and other societal) trends over the last several decades...maybe Boomer just generically means "old" now, I'm not sure. I'm personally using it in the context of Americans born between (roughly) 1946 and 1964. More generally it seems to be used to indicate Old People who are out of touch and are convinced that their experiences in life were exactly what everyone else experienced before and since. Much in the same what that old people have a tendency to refer to all young people as "Millennials" notwithstanding the fact that actual Millennials range in age from around 26-40. I've literally seen 35 year-olds refer to teens as "those dumb Millennials."
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 21, 2021 11:10:42 GMT -5
I have not received a response in 3 weeks for the message that I’m referring to. But no worries. No one owes me anything, and I’ll live.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jun 21, 2021 11:11:36 GMT -5
I think the amount of exposure along with the kind of culture you were raised in can vastly determine what music you find enjoyable as you get older. I was raised in St Louis. Grew up listening to rap and R&B, both new and classic at the time. It wasn't until I was in my early 20's that I heard most anything considered classic rock; Led Zepplin, Van Halen, Aereosmith, Pink Floyd, etc. And apparently I missed the over exposure to Bittersweet Symphony, because my wife absolutely hates when that comes on the radio and I turn it all the way up.
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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 21, 2021 11:22:07 GMT -5
We Deadheads get a lot of flak for our musical tastes, so I'm not going to disparage anyone else's. Lawrence Welk's music entertained a lot of people, even if sometimes it was the unintentional comedy that made it entertaining. His version of "One Toke Over the Line" never fails to make me smile.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 11:29:46 GMT -5
I think regardless of musical differences, if you can say "I had that on 8-track back in the day", you win any music discussion.
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Post by impulse on Jun 21, 2021 11:32:13 GMT -5
I have not received a response in 3 weeks for the message that I’m referring to. But no worries. No one owes me anything, and I’ll live. I've been ghosted on one since March, but eh, I've long ago accepted that not everyone is going to like me, no matter whether or not I feel they should. No biggie, got more important things to do than wonder why an individual doesn't want to talk to me. You can message me anytime you want, and I'll answer you!
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Post by impulse on Jun 21, 2021 11:36:18 GMT -5
I don't have any data on it, but I suspect there are more younger people finding older music these days than in the past with out easily accessible streaming makes pretty much anything to find.
It is so easy to pull up similar music to artists you like, find historical influences, etc. You can find pretty much anything that has even grazed the mainstream on Spotify and some much deeper examples, too. I know it doesn't have everything, but it's got a ton.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jun 21, 2021 11:40:14 GMT -5
We Deadheads get a lot of flak for our musical tastes, so I'm not going to disparage anyone else's. Lawrence Welk's music entertained a lot of people, even if sometimes it was the unintentional comedy that made it entertaining. His version of "One Toke Over the Line" never fails to make me smile. Don't think I can be called a Deadhead, but I do like them quite a bit, and I've been to five of their concerts from the late '80s through the early '90s. They put on some great shows, I always had a blast.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jun 21, 2021 11:41:02 GMT -5
I think regardless of musical differences, if you can say "I had that on 8-track back in the day", you win any music discussion. Well damn. I can only say that for about four albums - all hand-me-downs from my older brother.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 11:49:35 GMT -5
I think regardless of musical differences, if you can say "I had that on 8-track back in the day", you win any music discussion. we had a bunch on 8 track, but the real question is what did you have on reel-to-reel tapes? We had a bunch for my dad's reel-to-reel player. -M
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