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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 14:03:18 GMT -5
He hates streaming and others means of music because its doesn't offer the real thing of owning a CD and/or Record. He and many others are old-fashioned and that's the beauty of owning a CD and/or Record. I've support him 100%. the only real thing music wise is hearing the music performed live. Everything else is a recording in some form or another and it is just a matter of quality of reproduction. All of it is as real as any other format, and none of it compares to hearing and experiencing the acts live. Music existed long before recorded formats and will exist long after it as well as long os humanity survives to make music. -M I know exactly what you are saying here ... but, he's doesn't like music performing "live" because when you go to a live performance ... you can hear people screaming, making noises like stamping of feet, dancing, expressing joy, and all that ... and to him and many other friends that I know ... that's makes the music not music. What you said ... Everything is a recording and all that - is the music that my brother and friends prefer because it's real to them and not tainted by any other "noises" ... like the reasons that I've shared earlier and that's bother him a lot and he's a musician himself in bands in High School, College, and other organizations that uses his talents to play the Saxophone and Baritone Saxophone too. I totally respect and admire your quote in bold ... to him and many others they don't like "live" music ... that's why they want music performed by the artists in a studio of which their music is totally background free!That's music ... mrp and I've believe it is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 14:10:07 GMT -5
the only real thing music wise is hearing the music performed live. Everything else is a recording in some form or another and it is just a matter of quality of reproduction. All of it is as real as any other format, and none of it compares to hearing and experiencing the acts live. Music existed long before recorded formats and will exist long after it as well as long os humanity survives to make music. -M I know exactly what you are saying here ... but, he's doesn't like music performing "live" because when you go to a live performance ... you can hear people screaming, making noises like stamping of feet, dancing, expressing joy, and all that ... and to him and many other friends that I know ... that's makes the music not music. What you said ... Everything is a recording and all that - is the music that my brother and friends prefer because it's real to them and not tainted by any other "noises" ... like the reasons that I've shared earlier and that's bother him a lot and he's a musician himself in bands in High School, College, and other organizations that uses his talents to play the Saxophone and Baritone Saxophone too. I totally respect and admire your quote in bold ... to him and many others they don't like "live" music ... that's why they want music performed by the artists in a studio of which their music is totally background free!That's music ... mrp and I've believe it is. So music didn't exist until we developed the technology to record sound? So what Mozart and Beethoven and all the others were doing wasn't music? because that is what your definition of music says. -M
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 15:29:20 GMT -5
So music didn't exist until we developed the technology to record sound? So what Mozart and Beethoven and all the others were doing wasn't music? because that is what your definition of music says. -M I'm going to leave this discussion for now for the sake of harmony and disagreement. Please accept my terms and I do understand what you are saying here and I rather leave it as it is. Thanks mrp. Your text in bold ...
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Post by The Captain on Feb 6, 2018 15:46:13 GMT -5
I love live music, both in person and recorded live (yeah, I know it's kind of an oxymoron), but if I have my choice between a studio version of a song and a live recording of it, 90% of the time I will choose the live recording. Case in point is "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" by U2: the studio version on The Joshua Tree is a great song, but the concert version from Rattle and Hum, with the choir, is just glorious to my ears.
There's something about the banter from the band, the crowd noise, and the different arrangements that bands do in concert that makes is an entirely different experience. 20+ years ago, my best friend and I used to go to the "record show" at the local hotel ballroom to pick up bootleg cassettes and CDs, so I have a box full of old They Might Be Giants', Nine Inch Nails', and Dead Kennedys' shows that are just so much different than the studio work they did.
Another thing for me is that my wife and I (and now our daughters) go to 2-3 concerts a year for Christian music artists. Depending on venue, I've been to events with crowds between 3K and 12K, and it is simply awe-inspiring, and a little overwhelming, to hear multiple thousands of people singing praise songs to God together. The lyrics and music are the same on the studio CD, but far more than what is being sung, it's the passion and energy and outpouring of the crowd that moves me.
To each his own, but I do love live music so much more.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 15:51:37 GMT -5
Another thing for me is that my wife and I (and now our daughters) go to 2-3 concerts a year for Christian music artists. Depending on venue, I've been to events with crowds between 3K and 12K, and it is simply awe-inspiring, and a little overwhelming, to hear multiple thousands of people singing praise songs to God together. The lyrics and music are the same on the studio CD, but far more than what is being sung, it's the passion and energy and outpouring of the crowd that moves me. I don't know where you live but I have been to the Creation Festival in Mt Union, PA several times & the Uprise Festival in Shippensburg, PA the last 5 years & I totally get what you are saying here. It is an awesome experience.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 15:54:26 GMT -5
the only real thing music wise is hearing the music performed live. Everything else is a recording in some form or another and it is just a matter of quality of reproduction. All of it is as real as any other format, and none of it compares to hearing and experiencing the acts live. Music existed long before recorded formats and will exist long after it as well as long os humanity survives to make music. -M I know exactly what you are saying here ... but, he's doesn't like music performing "live" because when you go to a live performance ... you can hear people screaming, making noises like stamping of feet, dancing, expressing joy, and all that ... and to him and many other friends that I know ... that's makes the music not music. What you said ... Everything is a recording and all that - is the music that my brother and friends prefer because it's real to them and not tainted by any other "noises" ... like the reasons that I've shared earlier and that's bother him a lot and he's a musician himself in bands in High School, College, and other organizations that uses his talents to play the Saxophone and Baritone Saxophone too. I get this also. Sometimes I go to a concert & the artist has the crowd sing the chorus. I want to hear the artist play the song not the crowd.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 15:55:03 GMT -5
Robert Fripp (of King Crimson fame) has said that a studio version of a song is a snapshot of that piece of music as it is being born, and if it never grows and evolves beyond that, it was stillborn and dead when it arrived.
-M
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Post by The Captain on Feb 6, 2018 16:06:59 GMT -5
Another thing for me is that my wife and I (and now our daughters) go to 2-3 concerts a year for Christian music artists. Depending on venue, I've been to events with crowds between 3K and 12K, and it is simply awe-inspiring, and a little overwhelming, to hear multiple thousands of people singing praise songs to God together. The lyrics and music are the same on the studio CD, but far more than what is being sung, it's the passion and energy and outpouring of the crowd that moves me. I don't know where you live but I have been to the Creation Festival in Mt Union, PA several times & the Uprise Festival in Shippensburg, PA the last 5 years & I totally get what you are saying here. It is an awesome experience. We live in Pittsburgh, and we have talked about going to Creation once our girls are a little older (they're in 6th and 4th grades).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 16:54:09 GMT -5
Sitting at home today taking care of my wife who had the second (of 4) varicose vein treatment procedures done this morning (the first was last month). Everything went well, but I seem to be spending way too much time on the computer as I sit around the house.
-M
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 6, 2018 17:08:22 GMT -5
Sitting at home today taking care of my wife who had the second (of 4) varicose vein treatment procedures done this morning (the first was last month). Everything went well, but I seem to be spending way too much time on the computer as I sit around the house. -M You're a good and loyal husband!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 6, 2018 17:25:48 GMT -5
I mostly listen to the radio. I...I...I have no words.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 6, 2018 17:35:04 GMT -5
I can't remember the last CD I bought. I'm pretty sure it was by Dale Watson and it was almost certainly a decade ago. I have bought my middle son a few new vinyl LPs and glommed onto the digital download (Jason Isbell's Southeastern, for one). Some of these days when I get the vintage stereo I have working I may start buying old vinyl (and shellac) again.
I love live music. It's just hard when you live in a small area to find decent live music (or expensive to travel too). While my musical tastes are eclectic, they're also non-mainstream which makes it harder.
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Post by Rob Allen on Feb 6, 2018 18:04:43 GMT -5
I mostly listen to the radio. I...I...I have no words. Well, I live in a larger city than you do; we have a fulltime jazz station, a fulltime classical station, three classic rock stations, two country stations, etc. If I'm not listening to an actual radio, I'm listening on the station's website. Sometimes I go to the Live Music Archive at archive.org and listen to a concert - archive.org/details/etreeI can't remember the last time I listened to a record or cd.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 6, 2018 19:28:17 GMT -5
Well, I live in a larger city than you do; we have a fulltime jazz station, a fulltime classical station, three classic rock stations, two country stations, etc. If I'm not listening to an actual radio, I'm listening on the station's website. Sometimes I go to the Live Music Archive at archive.org and listen to a concert - archive.org/details/etreeI can't remember the last time I listened to a record or cd. I hadn’t considered that. I might consider listening to the radio if there were a good jazz station. I would be shocked to find there’s a quality country radio station still in existence.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 6, 2018 19:40:29 GMT -5
the only real thing music wise is hearing the music performed live. Everything else is a recording in some form or another and it is just a matter of quality of reproduction. Actually, to be pedantic, if you're gonna follow that line of thought, only unamplified live music is "real." Even at a concert, what you're hearing is electronic transducers converting acoustical energy (sound waves) into electrical energy (an audio signal), which is then sent out as sound waves again through the speakers.
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