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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 15, 2018 15:26:29 GMT -5
Maybe the Rubios and Rick Scotts and Ted Cruzes of the world should just thank all those who have sacrifced their lives for the Second Amendment just as they thank all the members of the military who have sacrificed their lives "to preserve our freedom."
Is there only one of the circles of hell where they and the other hirelings of Wayne LaPierre and the munitions lobby could be punished enough for their sanctimonious blather? Maybe they could be rotated between Greed, Violence, Fraudulence, and Treachery.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Feb 16, 2018 12:08:08 GMT -5
No, most helpful, thank you. I just wanted to see if my (what some might call) cynical instincts about the AG's offer had any basis in reality. You wonder if any of those families, so painfully grief-stricken would even think clearly enough that any warning signs might go off. Or that they might remember that Bondi supported the (NRA-instigated) law that allowed 18-year-olds to buy weapons like the AR-15. Oh, wait. I'm "politicizing." Too soon, too soon. Thoughts and prayers... I've come to loathe the term "thoughts and prayers" even when I know it's being used genuinely, such as, condolences from a friend for the loss of a loved one. It is, on its face, pretty hollow and unfulfilling. But at this point it is a grotesque parody of sympathy that simply means, I choose not to do anything constructive, so F*#K you. I wish I could disagree with you, but you're absolutely right especially with our elected officials. If they really cared they would do something, but they have to keep their special interests happy.
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Post by Rob Allen on Feb 16, 2018 13:49:52 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 16, 2018 14:06:28 GMT -5
hondobrode , was that for the Splash Pages thread? Just more product placement.
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 16, 2018 17:18:30 GMT -5
hondobrode , was that for the Splash Pages thread? Just more product placement. I know. I kept looking for the hidden meaning...
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Post by hondobrode on Feb 17, 2018 1:45:57 GMT -5
hondobrode , was that for the Splash Pages thread? D'oh ! That'll teach me to keep two threads open at once. I just posted in between jobs.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Feb 17, 2018 8:53:11 GMT -5
Sad to wake up to see another shooting in the news. Seems so many things could be done to prevent it and others happening but nothing will be done ): If nothing happened after Sandy Hook, then I don't think anything is going to happen. Sadly. I guess I'm really radical, but I'd just prefer that we get rid of all guns. Or at least limit someone to having just one handgun per household. Living here in Macao I feel a lot more safe knowing that guns are illegal to possess.
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Post by Søren on Feb 17, 2018 12:24:27 GMT -5
Sad to wake up to see another shooting in the news. Seems so many things could be done to prevent it and others happening but nothing will be done ): If nothing happened after Sandy Hook, then I don't think anything is going to happen. Sadly. I guess I'm really radical, but I'd just prefer that we get rid of all guns. Or at least limit someone to having just one handgun per household. Living here in Macao I feel a lot more safe knowing that guns are illegal to possess. Yeah guess that true. I thought a room full of kindergarten age kids being shot would be enough but if that isn't nothing would be. As for getting rid of all guns I'm not sure how that is possible. I heard there is something like 300 million guns in America (maybe US person would know better). It too late I think unless everyone universally agree to give them up. So maybe need to flip it and arm everyone, have lessons in school in weaponry if it such important part of US culture with education/essay needed on proper use. Other countries allow guns but don't have the deaths so must be attitudes that need altering.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 17, 2018 17:56:30 GMT -5
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Post by The Captain on Feb 18, 2018 8:29:11 GMT -5
No, most helpful, thank you. I just wanted to see if my (what some might call) cynical instincts about the AG's offer had any basis in reality. You wonder if any of those families, so painfully grief-stricken would even think clearly enough that any warning signs might go off. Or that they might remember that Bondi supported the (NRA-instigated) law that allowed 18-year-olds to buy weapons like the AR-15. Oh, wait. I'm "politicizing." Too soon, too soon. Thoughts and prayers... I've come to loathe the term "thoughts and prayers" even when I know it's being used genuinely, such as, condolences from a friend for the loss of a loved one. It is, on its face, pretty hollow and unfulfilling. But at this point it is a grotesque parody of sympathy that simply means, I choose not to do anything constructive, so F*#K you. I understand this feeling, especially from people who don't have faith or who don't see anything tangible being done. Thing is, for those of us who have a belief in God, this is our "doing anything constructive." Every time I've told someone on these boards that I will pray for them, I have, and yes, I understand that it's not the same as coming to your house with a hug and a plate of cookies, or showing up at the viewing or funeral for when someone loses a loved one, but that is because I'm not physically able to do that. I believe that prayer can do mighty things. For non-believers, it's all hooey and wasted time, empty words spoken, as you put it, in "grotesque parody of sympathy". However, what would you have me do? Say nothing, act like I don't care, or respond with the standard "I'm sorry for your loss"? I am sorry for your loss, and while I cannot actively and tangibly do something for you, I, because of my faith, believe that I am part of something bigger and can call upon a power greater than mine to ask for comfort for others. Sure, I know that more and more of the "civilized" world thinks that kind of belief is childish, me holding onto the Imaginary Sky Fairy and whatnot, and that's fine. I'll still pray for each and every one of you when I say I will, because I believe that it will have an effect, maybe not today or tomorrow, but God works in His own time and in His own ways and He does answer prayer.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 18, 2018 8:54:38 GMT -5
I've come to loathe the term "thoughts and prayers" even when I know it's being used genuinely, such as, condolences from a friend for the loss of a loved one. It is, on its face, pretty hollow and unfulfilling. But at this point it is a grotesque parody of sympathy that simply means, I choose not to do anything constructive, so F*#K you. I understand this feeling, especially from people who don't have faith or who don't see anything tangible being done. Thing is, for those of us who have a belief in God, this is our "doing anything constructive." Every time I've told someone on these boards that I will pray for them, I have, and yes, I understand that it's not the same as coming to your house with a hug and a plate of cookies, or showing up at the viewing or funeral for when someone loses a loved one, but that is because I'm not physically able to do that. I believe that prayer can do mighty things. For non-believers, it's all hooey and wasted time, empty words spoken, as you put it, in "grotesque parody of sympathy". However, what would you have me do? Say nothing, act like I don't care, or respond with the standard "I'm sorry for your loss"? I am sorry for your loss, and while I cannot actively and tangibly do something for you, I, because of my faith, believe that I am part of something bigger and can call upon a power greater than mine to ask for comfort for others. Sure, I know that more and more of the "civilized" world thinks that kind of belief is childish, me holding onto the Imaginary Sky Fairy and whatnot, and that's fine. I'll still pray for each and every one of you when I say I will, because I believe that it will have an effect, maybe not today or tomorrow, but God works in His own time and in His own ways and He does answer prayer. Well said my brother. I believe That prayer adds comfort to those that are grieving, the same way I believe seeing a friendly loving face at a funeral of a loved one adds comfort. But God adds much greater comfort than any human being can.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Feb 18, 2018 11:26:26 GMT -5
I understand this feeling, especially from people who don't have faith or who don't see anything tangible being done. Thing is, for those of us who have a belief in God, this is our "doing anything constructive." Every time I've told someone on these boards that I will pray for them, I have, and yes, I understand that it's not the same as coming to your house with a hug and a plate of cookies, or showing up at the viewing or funeral for when someone loses a loved one, but that is because I'm not physically able to do that. I believe that prayer can do mighty things. For non-believers, it's all hooey and wasted time, empty words spoken, as you put it, in "grotesque parody of sympathy". However, what would you have me do? Say nothing, act like I don't care, or respond with the standard "I'm sorry for your loss"? I am sorry for your loss, and while I cannot actively and tangibly do something for you, I, because of my faith, believe that I am part of something bigger and can call upon a power greater than mine to ask for comfort for others. Sure, I know that more and more of the "civilized" world thinks that kind of belief is childish, me holding onto the Imaginary Sky Fairy and whatnot, and that's fine. I'll still pray for each and every one of you when I say I will, because I believe that it will have an effect, maybe not today or tomorrow, but God works in His own time and in His own ways and He does answer prayer. Well said my brother. I believe That prayer adds comfort to those that are grieving, the same way I believe seeing a friendly loving face at a funeral of a loved one adds comfort. But God adds much greater comfort than any human being can. I agree with the Captain's and Icctrombone's eloquent statements of faith as well, but I can understand what Slam is saying too. Our government is in the position of being able to enact some real change, but instead hides behind platitudes that I doubt sincerely that they mean. Citizens also have the ability to change things as well by supporting change. If you have the ability to help solve a problem, but choose to offer empty words instead, that's hypocrisy.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 18, 2018 12:46:58 GMT -5
I've come to loathe the term "thoughts and prayers" even when I know it's being used genuinely, such as, condolences from a friend for the loss of a loved one. It is, on its face, pretty hollow and unfulfilling. But at this point it is a grotesque parody of sympathy that simply means, I choose not to do anything constructive, so F*#K you. I understand this feeling, especially from people who don't have faith or who don't see anything tangible being done. Thing is, for those of us who have a belief in God, this is our "doing anything constructive." Every time I've told someone on these boards that I will pray for them, I have, and yes, I understand that it's not the same as coming to your house with a hug and a plate of cookies, or showing up at the viewing or funeral for when someone loses a loved one, but that is because I'm not physically able to do that. I believe that prayer can do mighty things. For non-believers, it's all hooey and wasted time, empty words spoken, as you put it, in "grotesque parody of sympathy". However, what would you have me do? Say nothing, act like I don't care, or respond with the standard "I'm sorry for your loss"? I am sorry for your loss, and while I cannot actively and tangibly do something for you, I, because of my faith, believe that I am part of something bigger and can call upon a power greater than mine to ask for comfort for others. Sure, I know that more and more of the "civilized" world thinks that kind of belief is childish, me holding onto the Imaginary Sky Fairy and whatnot, and that's fine. I'll still pray for each and every one of you when I say I will, because I believe that it will have an effect, maybe not today or tomorrow, but God works in His own time and in His own ways and He does answer prayer. And I hope that you don't think I was singling out you or anyone on this board when I said that. I have no doubt that your expressions of concern are heartfelt and that your prayers are as well. And if I've ever done to imply that then I apologize. That said "Thoughts and Prayers™" has come to symbolize the absolute worst in American politics. It's the go to for those who can do something but absolutely refuse too and simply don't care what is happening in the world. I'd have far more respect for them if they would say "I simply don't care what happened to you and now I'm going to go take more money from my corporate and special interest masters, because you peons are beneath my notice." At least then the wouldn't be hypocrites along with being a festering boil on the body politic.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 18, 2018 18:57:08 GMT -5
I understand this feeling, especially from people who don't have faith or who don't see anything tangible being done. Thing is, for those of us who have a belief in God, this is our "doing anything constructive." Every time I've told someone on these boards that I will pray for them, I have, and yes, I understand that it's not the same as coming to your house with a hug and a plate of cookies, or showing up at the viewing or funeral for when someone loses a loved one, but that is because I'm not physically able to do that. I believe that prayer can do mighty things. For non-believers, it's all hooey and wasted time, empty words spoken, as you put it, in "grotesque parody of sympathy". However, what would you have me do? Say nothing, act like I don't care, or respond with the standard "I'm sorry for your loss"? I am sorry for your loss, and while I cannot actively and tangibly do something for you, I, because of my faith, believe that I am part of something bigger and can call upon a power greater than mine to ask for comfort for others. Sure, I know that more and more of the "civilized" world thinks that kind of belief is childish, me holding onto the Imaginary Sky Fairy and whatnot, and that's fine. I'll still pray for each and every one of you when I say I will, because I believe that it will have an effect, maybe not today or tomorrow, but God works in His own time and in His own ways and He does answer prayer. And I hope that you don't think I was singling out you or anyone on this board when I said that. I have no doubt that your expressions of concern are heartfelt and that your prayers are as well. And if I've ever done to imply that then I apologize. That said "Thoughts and Prayers™" has come to symbolize the absolute worst in American politics. It's the go to for those who can do something but absolutely refuse too and simply don't care what is happening in the world. I'd have far more respect for them if they would say "I simply don't care what happened to you and now I'm going to go take more money from my corporate and special interest masters, because you peons are beneath my notice." At least then the wouldn't be hypocrites along with being a festering boil on the body politic. Oh no, I didn't take it as a shot or slight, towards me or anyone else on the board, from you in the least. My response was to acknowledge that I do often send my thoughts and prayers to others in time of sadness or crisis, because it's what I can do in my limited capacity as an internet forum member. You have no need to apologize at all. Oddly enough, I originally had a third paragraph on my post that read very similarly to your second paragraph here, but I deleted it because it didn't sound quite right and I needed to leave for worship services. I agree that if someone in a position to actually impact a situation chooses no action other than sending their "thoughts and prayers", they are worse than useless. Our elected leaders can do this because the system is set up by them to keep themselves in power forever, making it no longer public service but rather service of themself. If a few kids have to die every day so they can remain entrenched in their position and keep the money rolling in so they can continue to love their 1% lifestyle, that's a reasonable trade-off for them. They're ghouls, sustaining their own lives by feeding off the dead.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 19, 2018 5:15:14 GMT -5
Let's talk about "forties" or a "forty-ounce" -- Malt Liquor. This seems like a very American drink to me and something I'll definitely want to try when I visit the U.S. in the summer. So, what's it like and what are the classic brands of "forties"?
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