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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 15, 2016 11:22:34 GMT -5
#11. Hellboy (2004)Mignola purists, you may want to scroll down and not read any further. The frustrating thing about most media adaptations of comic book properties is how much they get wrong or change for stupid reasons (sling rings, anyone?), but Hellboy is one of the few media adaptations out there that I feel actually improves upon the source material. The plot, the characterizations, and the relationships all benefit from years of hindsight retrospect in order to provide what feels like what "Seed of Destruction" would have been if Mignola went back and rewrote it, knowing what he knew about his characters in 2004. It's not a brilliant film, but it's a solid and near-perfect one, so much so that, having started with the film and not the comic, I honestly couldn't get as into the comic when I read it after. I bought and read five volumes of Hellboy and two of BPRD, and yet I still like the film version better. I'm a big fan of both Hellboy movies, Pearlman really got what made Hellboy tick, the creature effects(especially for Abe) were fantastic and Del Torro's magic touch with creating lived in, moody worlds really complimented the detail that Mignola has always brought to his work. I wouldn't be surprised to see this film(or the sequel) later on.
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Post by MWGallaher on Dec 15, 2016 19:20:37 GMT -5
#11 Aquaman (Filmation, 1967)
Before I discovered comic books, my main exposure to "legitimate" superheroes was limited to Superman (his 50's live action show and his 60's cartoon), Adam West's Batman, and this, Filmation's Aquaman cartoons. I liked them all, but I was always drawn to the odder, less popular ideas, and so Aquaman appealed to me. I was fascinated by the idea of riding giant sea horses, of hurling "water balls", and intrigued by those sonar-beeping arcs of telepathic fish command emanating from our hero's head. Yes, the stories were trivial and forgettable, the animation was economical and repetitive, but there was enough in the visuals to really capture my attention and imagination. Thanks to this cartoon, Aquaman was the Captain Action costume I most coveted (I never got it!), and an issue of Aquaman was the first comic I tried to get my mother to buy me (she didn't, but I remembered the cover, and I finally got a copy, with interiors by the guy who'd become my favorite comics artist, Jim Aparo).
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Post by hondobrode on Dec 15, 2016 22:34:28 GMT -5
Sad in a way, these are actually public domain from 1941-1943. They are beautiful Art Deco-ish Technicolor 8 minute cartoons of our Golden Age Man of Steel. The first 9 are by the famous Fleisher Brothers, Max and Dave. They later went bankrupt and Paramount took over production with their Famous Studios. The quality isn't quite as polished as the Fleisher cartoons but they're still great with their jingoistic WW II propaganda. Beautiful and simple these shorts really speak to the heart of one of America's greatest hero icons.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Dec 17, 2016 2:17:42 GMT -5
11. Red cos its badass...
I love caper movies and this was like a Oceans 11 with guns ( and a Malkovitch). All the principles are magnificent, I love the interplay between them, especially Willis and Malkovitch, and importantly for me I find it completely rewatchable, a failing of many comic book movies(because we're discussing them specifically). I also love the Serious Sam easter Egg that was pointed out by a friend and fellow lover of the film. ...and Helen Mirren as a kickass sniper...Gold.
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Post by foxley on Dec 17, 2016 2:53:13 GMT -5
I didn't know RED was based on a comic. Part of the joy of the 12 Days is that you always learn something new.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 17, 2016 15:53:09 GMT -5
Random thoughts on Day 2... Batman: The Brave & The Bold will absolutely show up again!!
There's a lot of Batman on my list. But none of the Nolan films will be there. I think they're weak overall. And The Dark Knight Rises is just a horrible film. It's okay, however, if you play "count the plotholes". And if you drink at each plothole you can be pretty sloshed within the first 20 minutes. The Dark Knight, also mentioned, is better, but still not a film I like in any way. And the ending is among the worst I've ever seen. Batman 89, however will show up again.
Batman Beyond, I've never seen in full. I kind of had a hate for it when it came out and never really gave it a chance. I suspect I'd like it now.
I watched Buck Rogers back when it first aired and I was a kid. I have no idea how it would hold up today.
I'm a fan of the Flash Gordon serial. It really is one of the best serials rom the era.
I remember Josie and the Pussycats from when I was a kid. But it didn't make much of an impression.
Mystery Men was on my lengthy list. Just a terribly fun movie.
I remember watching the Spider-Man TV show when it was on. I haven't seen it since. I suspect it would not hold up at all.
Hellboy was perilously close to making my list.
Road to Perdition was the last cut from my list. And it probably was only cut because I've only seen the film once or maybe twice and not in well over a decade. I'm guessing if I watched it again it might well move back into the top 12.
Men in Black also was on my lengthy list. I liked the first film quite a bit.
I've never seen the Filmation Aquaman...just a bit before my time.
The Fleisher Superman actually made my consideration list. Considering how much I hate Superman, that is a testament to the high quality of those cartoons.
I completely forgot about Red. It probably wouldn't have made my list. But it would have been in consideration. I like the film a lot.
I have never seen Turtles are Forever, Danger Diabolik, Smallville, American Splender (I'm not a slice-of-life fan),
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 17, 2016 16:20:23 GMT -5
American Splender (I'm not a slice-of-life fan), I don't describe myself as a slice-of-life fan either, but quite liked this film. You should consider giving it a shot.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 17, 2016 16:49:24 GMT -5
Random thoughts on Day 2... Batman: The Brave & The Bold will absolutely show up again!! There's a lot of Batman on my list. But none of the Nolan films will be there. I think they're weak overall. And The Dark Knight Rises is just a horrible film. It's okay, however, if you play "count the plotholes". And if you drink at each plothole you can be pretty sloshed within the first 20 minutes. The Dark Knight, also mentioned, is better, but still not a film I like in any way. And the ending is among the worst I've ever seen. Batman 89, however will show up again. Batman Beyond, I've never seen in full. I kind of had a hate for it when it came out and never really gave it a chance. I suspect I'd like it now. I watched Buck Rogers back when it first aired and I was a kid. I have no idea how it would hold up today. I'm a fan of the Flash Gordon serial. It really is one of the best serials rom the era. I remember Josie and the Pussycats from when I was a kid. But it didn't make much of an impression. Mystery Men was on my lengthy list. Just a terribly fun movie. I remember watching the Spider-Man TV show when it was on. I haven't seen it since. I suspect it would not hold up at all. Hellboy was perilously close to making my list. Road to Perdition was the last cut from my list. And it probably was only cut because I've only seen the film once or maybe twice and not in well over a decade. I'm guessing if I watched it again it might well move back into the top 12. Men in Black also was on my lengthy list. I liked the first film quite a bit. I've never seen the Filmation Aquaman...just a bit before my time. The Fleisher Superman actually made my consideration list. Considering how much I hate Superman, that is a testament to the high quality of those cartoons. I completely forgot about Red. It probably wouldn't have made my list. But it would have been in consideration. I like the film a lot. I have never seen Turtles are Forever, Danger Diabolik, Smallville, American Splender (I'm not a slice-of-life fan), I love these recaps, Slam! Thanks for doign them!
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 18, 2016 14:18:42 GMT -5
Random thoughts on Day 2... Batman: The Brave & The Bold will absolutely show up again!! There's a lot of Batman on my list. But none of the Nolan films will be there. I think they're weak overall. And The Dark Knight Rises is just a horrible film. It's okay, however, if you play "count the plotholes". And if you drink at each plothole you can be pretty sloshed within the first 20 minutes. The Dark Knight, also mentioned, is better, but still not a film I like in any way. And the ending is among the worst I've ever seen. Batman 89, however will show up again. Batman Beyond, I've never seen in full. I kind of had a hate for it when it came out and never really gave it a chance. I suspect I'd like it now. I watched Buck Rogers back when it first aired and I was a kid. I have no idea how it would hold up today. I'm a fan of the Flash Gordon serial. It really is one of the best serials rom the era. I remember Josie and the Pussycats from when I was a kid. But it didn't make much of an impression. Mystery Men was on my lengthy list. Just a terribly fun movie. I remember watching the Spider-Man TV show when it was on. I haven't seen it since. I suspect it would not hold up at all. Hellboy was perilously close to making my list. Road to Perdition was the last cut from my list. And it probably was only cut because I've only seen the film once or maybe twice and not in well over a decade. I'm guessing if I watched it again it might well move back into the top 12. Men in Black also was on my lengthy list. I liked the first film quite a bit. I've never seen the Filmation Aquaman...just a bit before my time. The Fleisher Superman actually made my consideration list. Considering how much I hate Superman, that is a testament to the high quality of those cartoons. I completely forgot about Red. It probably wouldn't have made my list. But it would have been in consideration. I like the film a lot. I have never seen Turtles are Forever, Danger Diabolik, Smallville, American Splender (I'm not a slice-of-life fan), I love these recaps, Slam! Thanks for doign them! You stole my thunder, PH. I look forward to the reviews of the picks, also.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 19, 2016 17:12:52 GMT -5
11. 300 (2007) I generally prefer Frank Miller's stuff when he's putting corporate characters through their paces rather than working with his own original creations... but his "historical" (read: Completely fictional) graphic novel 300 is my favorite work from his "ugly art" period. And 300 is (if I remember right) damn close to a shot-for-shot adaptation, but with some major aesthetic differences. The movie switches out Miller's wrinkled "ugly" dudes for Greed-God-like representations of pure masculinityKirby drawings come to life, yelling and snarling their lines without subtlety or nuance. The cinematography is breathtaking. Everything looks just slightly too sharp, the colors are always a little too disorientatingly bright, and the whole thing conveys a sense of otherwordliness that betrays the comic's fictional origins. While it doesn't look like the comic it captueres the graphic novels sense of over-the-top SCOPE, and that gets it a spot on my list.
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Post by Pól Rua on Dec 20, 2016 0:06:02 GMT -5
11. Spider-Man (2002)Growing up with film and TV adaptions of your favourite heroes always meant one thing - compromise. For anyone who's watched films, there's always that feeling that some schmuck at the studio feels like he NEEDS to screw with everything in order to sign his name on it ("Hey, is there a way we could maybe give Superman a mohawk?"). But this for me was that moment when I looked at a story on a screen and went "yup. nailed it" and in a way that didn't compromise the essence of the story or character. This WAS Spider-Man, not a version of the character filtered through the 'vision' of some Hollywood accountant with pretensions towards 'creativity'. Plus, it was a whale of a story. Each scene built the narrative, and laid the foundations for the next, the characters made sense and had clear motivations, but at the same time were capable of nuance. Tobey Maguire's performance was outstanding. He was onscreen for the vast majority of the film, and most of the movie is his emotional journey. Willem DeFoe played Norman Osborn like he was playing Greek Tragedy, which could've been laughable, if he hadn't also imbued the character with such gravitas. James Franco set up an interesting a subtle level of personal conflict, but holy poo... J.K. Simmons as J.Jonah Jameson... looking all the world like he'd launched himself fully formed from a Ditko page, grabbing hold of every scene he was in and chewing it with vigour and gusto. There were two things that struck me most about this film. It was the first time I'd seen a superhero film that wasn't ashamed to be a superhero film, and that final scene. A perfect little knot of tragedy and pathos that developed organically from everything that had come before. Between them, this showed me that a superhero film didn't need to be dour and 'realistic' to be entertaining, but didn't need to be dumb to be fun.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 20, 2016 20:25:36 GMT -5
The film got me at "this, like any other story worth telling, is all about a girl." It's not from the Spider-man mythos, but it is such a normal sentence that it feels like it should be. Despite the genius IQ, the webbing, the spider powers, Peter is first and foremost an everyman, and one with a good heart. The opening also meant that the story would not be about how many supervillains one can cram into two hours, or about whether there would be a cameo by Supercarnageclone or whatever. It would be, first and foremost, about Peter Parker, the good guy we can relate to.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 18:07:17 GMT -5
An overview of Day 2... Batman: The Brave & the Bold-I didn't give this a fair chance at first, but after I got over myself, I came to love it. It is great fun. Dark Knight Rises is my least favorite of the Nolan films (and I am not all that high on them as a whole) and the only one I have only seen once. It some ways it's the perfect summer popcorn blockbuster though-you can't make out anything Bane says, you can't make out anything Bale says as Batman, so you can sit back and watch all the pretty explosions and action sequences and forget about little things like plot and dialogue that get in their way. And it does have great explosions and action sequences. I like Dark Knight slightly more than I like Rises, I've at least watched it a second time on home video. Again, if they went back and edited Bale's lame attempts to speak as Batman and edited in Kevin Conroy's voice, I would like these so much more. I've never seen Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park, but aside from liking a couple of songs, I've never been a big Kiss fan. I had a couple of neighborhood kids I hung out with when I was a kid who were big into Kiss, but I wasn't. I much prefer Brutalis' replacement selection, the Flash Gordon serial, as any one who saw myc choices could have told you I was a fan of the original Turtles comics and enjoyed the initial animated series, but I haven't followed Turtles much since then (I think it was a reaction to Vanilla Ice honestly), and never saw Turtles Forever. I used to watch Josie and the Pussycats in syndication (it played on Sunday mornings when we lived in Enfield CT in the late 70s iirc) and enjoyed it quite a bit. The only classic Archie property I like more is Sabrina and if I were ever to collect Archie books (doubtful) it would be Sabrina and Josie (I do have a handful of issues of each I have picked up in quarter bins). I've never seen Danger Diabolik, but it sure looks intriguing. I've also not seen the 1949 Batman serial, but I would like to at some point. Commented on Mystery Men on day 1, my feelings haven't changed in 24 hours I loved Nick Hammond's Spider-Man on CBS in the 70s. I rarely got to see it though, as it aired on the my dad's late night at the market (he was a butcher, each one had 1 night they had to stay to close and run the meat dept. and his night was the night Spidey was on which meant I didn't actually get home with my folks until after it had aired that day). I caught some in summer reruns and watched the whole thing later, but haven't watched it in years. I loved the Spidey sense effect as a kid though. I enjoy the Hellboy movies, and am due to re-watch them now that I have finally read my way through most of the source material. I am probably a bigger Hellboy fan now than when I watched them, so their status among favorites could change if/hen I get around to re-watching them. I watched Smallville from the get go. My wife (who was just my girlfriend at the time) was much bigger into it, and as we spent part of the year half way across the country form each other, it was one of our date watches, that we watched together on the phone each week when we were apart. It was also one of the shows I watched on VHS over and over again when recovering form abdominal surgery to fill up the days and avoid thinking about how much pain I was in, so it has a lot of strong memories associated with it, and I love that it mostly adapted the Legends mini late in its run, but I haven't watched it at all since it went off the air and that's probably the biggest reason it didn't come close to making my list. Road to Perdition is a great movie and a better graphic novel, but I have only experienced each one once. Batman Beyond is the only Timm show I don't love. It's ok, but once you take Bruce out of the Batsuit, I just lose interest (happens in the comics too, for me Bruce is Batman, it is who he is not a suit he puts on, someone else can't wear the costume and be Bruce, so they can't be Batman no matter what they are wearing any more than could put on my father's clothes and be my father). So it is well done and Timm is a maestro, but I just have no interest in the concept or the character to draw me to it. What I have watched of it, only interested me on that craft level, not on a story level. Batman (1989) got some consideration from me. It was the first movie I ever bought tickets for in advance and attended the midnight premiere of. I had followed the saga of its development in the pages of the Comics Buyers Guide, agonized over casting choices, rented and watched Clean & Sober to see if Michael Keaton could do serious (he could) and fretted and anticipated this more than any movie since The Empire Strikes Back. And I loved it. It has, however, fallen some in my estimation over the years, keeping it off my list. Men in Black-enjoyed the first movie, but not really any of the sequels and never felt inspired to check out the comics (or the animated series). It was a fun date movie at the time, but never rose above that for me. I Like American Splendor. I find it more it more interesting than entertaining though, and I tend to place Pekar among those creators I read because I feel I should rather than among those I have a strong desire to read. His stuff is amazing from a craft perspective and so personal it is compelling, but sometime sI feel like I am intruding/eavesdropping on someone rather than being entertained when I read stuff that personal, so it always leaves me with mixed feelings rather than satisfaction and the after joy of being entertained. I've seen a handful of the Filmation Aquaman toons. I own the DVD, but I've never gotten around to watching them all. I should, as I have liked what I have seen, but like the other DC Filmation stuff from that time, it works better in small doses for me as it is a bit formulaic. Fleisher's Superman made #2 on my list, 'nuff said. Red was a fun movie, and I always find something interesting in the Warren Ellis stuff I read, but there is a lot of stuff by him I like better than Red. I shared my thoughts on 300 in my Day 1 overview as well, and again, nothing has changed. I really enjoyed Spider-Man. I saw it during that recovery period form surgery, and it was one of the first times I had left the house after the surgery during my recovery to do something, so my desire to see it overcame the depressive funk I was in post-surgery, so again it has a lot of emotions tied to it, and I like it a lot. I like he sequel more though, and its another I haven' watched in probably a decade, so it didn't come close to list, but I certainly understand the appeal of it for those who chose it. And that wraps up Day 2's thoughts. -M
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 25, 2016 21:04:51 GMT -5
My thoughts on Day 2.
*Spider-Man 2 was my #2 entry, and I mentioned my love for the first film in the entry.
*On my shortlist: Sin City Hellboy Road to Perdition Men in Black
If we were allowed 25 entries, all would have been there. I love both Hellboy and its sequel. Sin City was one of the closest to making #12. I love the Sin City trailers to this day. The music is just great.
Things I like a lot: Dark Knight Rises (my least favorite film of the three, but still one I quite enjoyed that wrapped up the trilogy well. Hit those notes of high melodrama I like) American Splendor (Have only read a teeny bit of the comics, which aren't my thing, but I somehow loved this film)
Things I like: Batman Beyond (I like what I've seen a lot; I've just never gotten around to sitting down and watching it all the way through)
Things I appreciate, but don't have personal affection for: Flash Gordon (1936) (I think a lot of films I love owe a debt to this early space epic) Batman (1989) (One of the best superhero films of its day, and a film I watched in theaters before ever reading my first comic. I was too young to really appreciate it when I saw it, and it now holds more academic than personal interest) Superman animated shorts (I recently rewatched through all of these. They are fine little films)
Should watch more of: Batman: Brave and the Bold (Seen an episode or two. Would love to watch more one day.)
I have mixed feelings for: Smallville. I watched the first few seasons and enjoyed it well enough, but don't look back on it fondly.
Have not seen: Turtles Forever Buck Rogers (getting around to it) Josie and the Pussycats Danger Diabolik (been meaning to watch it for a while; will soon) Batman and Robin (intending to watch it; have lots of superhero serials to watch still) Aquaman (maybe I saw it as a child, but have no particular memory. I have some memories of animated Aquaman, but no idea if I'm recalling this or Super Friends)
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