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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 4, 2017 19:18:17 GMT -5
I first heard Rollin' & Tumblin' by Elmore James. So that's who I associate with that song.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Apr 4, 2017 21:14:03 GMT -5
50 Years Ago Today-Week 1 April 1967
Somethin' Stupid pushes The Turtle's Happy together off the top of the charts after 2 weeks. Don't ever underestimate the American public's desire for Somethin' Stupid. Just look at last November-we have not changed
Nancy Sinatra by this point had proved she was no flash-in-the-pan and had a number of hits. It was inevitable she would team up with her own father. They were on the same record label-Reprise Records. It was the only father/daughter single to make it to #1 ( The Coles came close)
Here's Arthur Conley at #11, summing up the state of Soul Music at this particular time
England put one over us in 1964. That's when Downtown by Petula Clark shot to #1 in the states. Coming on the heels of The Beatles, we thought she was some mod rock n' roll singer (nevermind the song had orchestral backgrounds-it sounded boss, man!). How little we knew she was already in her 30's and had been a recording artist in England since 1949. In fact, her career was winding down at that point. But she found a song that re-branded her and became more popular in The States than in England. She followed up Downtown with 5 more songs that made the Top 20 stateside.Then "This Is My Song" came out, peaking this week at #3, but finally proving she was as much to rock as Barbra Streisand . This came oh-so-close to making my Music To Cringe With list
A perfect antidote to Petula is Aretha Franklin's debut in the Top 10. It won't take long for her to wear the crown as Queen Of Soul
Almost as ancient as Petula Clark was the American r&b vocal group The Platters who began recording together in 1952. Loads of big hits during the 50's but it looked like they were done by 1960-the last time they cracked the Top 20. And then came this which would peak this month at #14. It is, however, a splendid swan song for this Hall Of Fame group
Back next week and we might even get some Rock songs this time
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Post by Confessor on Apr 5, 2017 8:23:14 GMT -5
I'm a little late, but March 1967 saw the release of The Left Banke's third single, "Ivy Ivy"...
Hailing from New York City, The Left Banke were one of the very finest purveyors of baroque pop in the mid-to-late '60s. Taking their cues from records like the Rolling Stones' "Lady Jane", The Beatles' "Eleanor Rigby", and The Beach Boys "God Only Knows", the band wrote haunting, Beatley pop songs, liberally coated in symphonic strings, woodwind, brass and harpsichord.
Guided by their Brian Wilson-esque musical mastermind, Michael Brown (later of Montage, the Stories and the Beckies), the band's biggest hit was the self-penned "Walk Away Renée", which reached #5 on the Billboard charts and which was later covered by the Four Tops. Their follow up single was the achingly beautiful "Pretty Ballerina", which Brown also wrote and which made #15 in the U.S.
However, prior to the recording of "Ivy Ivy", Brown had a falling out with the rest of the band and, as a result, recorded the group's third single with session musicians, including future folk singer-songwriter Bert Sommer on lead vocals. The original members of the Left Banke were incensed and apparently issued a cease and desist order through their lawyers, which led to confusion among radio DJs over whether they should play the single or not. The song's poor chart showing (it only reached #119 on the Billboard chart) is usually attributed to this confusion. Still, within a few months the band had all made up and it was the original members who would appear on subsequent singles and the band's second album, The Left Banke Too.
As for "Ivy Ivy", it's an achingly delicate piece of pop wonderment, beautifully written, arranged and performed by Brown and his hired hands. The song is dripping in mildly hallucinogenic autumnal melancholy, and, as such, is the perfect companion piece to Jefferson Airplane's "Coming Back To Me" (which was released a month earlier).
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 5, 2017 12:10:41 GMT -5
2017 inductees into the Country Music Hall of Fame were announced this morning. theboot.com/country-music-hall-of-fame-2017-inductees/First...I know that Halls of Fame are pretty meaningless...although the Country Music Hall is an order of magnitude better than the Rock & Roll Hall. That said... I'm not going to take umbrage at Jerry Reed or Alan Jackson. Yes, I'd rather have seen Johnny Paycheck or the Maddox Brothers and Rose in the Veterans and Dwight Yoakam or Ricky Skaggs in the Modern...but both Reed and Jackson are fine choices. But Don Schlitz coming in as a songwriter before Townes Van Zandt, Billy Joe Shaver and Sonny Throckmorton (to name a few) is a travesty.
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Post by Confessor on Apr 5, 2017 15:14:26 GMT -5
You'll have to explain to me how the Country Music Hall of Fame is any better than the Rock 'n' Roll one, Slam, because I'm really not that knowledgable about it. However, superficially it seems to me to be much the same self-serving organisation, run by old, out of touch codgers, with a perculiarly blinkered and myopic vision of what actually constitutes the best of the genre the Hall of Fame is supposed to represent.
One thing's for sure though, how any organisation calling itself a Country Music Hall of Fame can not have inducted the likes of John Denver, Clarence White, Gram Parsons or even dear ol' Dwight Yoakam yet, is utterly beyond me.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 5, 2017 16:37:53 GMT -5
You'll have to explain to me how the Country Music Hall of Fame is any better than the Rock 'n' Roll one, Slam, because I'm really not that knowledgable about it. However, superficially it seems to me to be much the same self-serving organisation, run by old, out of touch codgers, with a perculiarly blinkered and myopic vision of what actually constitutes the best of the genre the Hall of Fame is supposed to represent. One thing's for sure though, how any organisation calling itself a Country Music Hall of Fame can not have inducted the likes of John Denver, Clarence White, Gram Parsons or even dear ol' Dwight Yoakam yet, is utterly beyond me. Part of it is a difference in how they induct people. The Country Hall is more exclusive. It's very unusual for more than three people to be inducted in a year. And it's averaged 2 a year since 1961. The Rock Hall has inducted 317 averaging about 10 per year. It also seems a bit less swayed by the whims of one or two people...though I'm not going to contend it's not political at all. Two of the four you named are very polarizing figures in country music. John Denver was polarizing when he was at his peak...and it hasn't gotten better. An awful lot of people don't consider him country at all. Gram Parsons problem...besides dying at 26 is that he possibly straddles the line between country and rock too tightly. The influence is huge though. And there has been a push to get him in. I can feel Clarence White. But that's not going to happen when Ralph Stanley, Jimmy Martin and a bunch of others aren't there. Dwight will get there.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Apr 5, 2017 17:26:09 GMT -5
2 reasons The Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame inducts more people per year are
It didn't start until 1983
It inducts more than pure Rock N' Roll acts. It includes Blues, R&B,Soul, Reggae and Hip Hop . They also induct early influences on the rock genre including jazz and country stars (examples like Bessie Smith, Billie Holiday, Bill Monroe etc). They also induct important music executives and critics and managers
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Post by Confessor on Apr 6, 2017 4:38:57 GMT -5
Two of the four you named are very polarizing figures in country music. John Denver was polarizing when he was at his peak...and it hasn't gotten better. An awful lot of people don't consider him country at all. Yeah, I can see that. Some of his songs fit much more comfortably into the late '60s/early '70s singer-songwriter mould than country. That said, some of his biggest songs, like "Take Me Home, Country Roads", "Rocky Mountain High", and "Thank God I'm a Country Boy", are clearly country songs. Gram Parsons problem...besides dying at 26 is that he possibly straddles the line between country and rock too tightly. The influence is huge though. And there has been a push to get him in. Again, I can see this, but it also goes back to what I said earlier about both the Country Music Hall of Fame and the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame being (to quote myself) "run by old, out of touch codgers, with a peculiarly blinkered and myopic vision of what actually constitutes the best of the genre the Hall of Fame is supposed to represent." Parsons definitely saw himself as a country- rock musician, no doubts there, but his stuff is more orientated towards country than rock, IMHO. This is particularly evident on his first solo album GP from 1973, which features a fair amount of straight country music. In addition, given that Parsons pretty much created the entire "outlaw country" and modern "alt. country" movements, along with being a big influence on the '80s paisley underground and cow punk scenes, should really guarantee him a place. His influence on what we think of today as country music is pretty big. He also introduced the wonderful Emmylou Harris to the public at large, which is no small thing. Actually, have they inducted Emmylou Harris yet? I ask because she's just as "one foot in the country camp and one foot in the rock camp" as Gram, I'd say. I can feel Clarence White. But that's not going to happen when Ralph Stanley, Jimmy Martin and a bunch of others aren't there. Fair point. Actually, I was thinking after I wrote that, have they inducted the Kentucky Colonels? Because obviously Clarence would've been inducted with them.
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Post by Confessor on Apr 6, 2017 4:50:08 GMT -5
It inducts more than pure Rock N' Roll acts. It includes Blues, R&B,Soul, Reggae and Hip Hop. Sorry Ish, but this made me snort. The number of Hip Hop or Reggae artists that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame have inducted is tiny. Like, count them on one hand tiny.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Apr 6, 2017 5:03:51 GMT -5
It inducts more than pure Rock N' Roll acts. It includes Blues, R&B,Soul, Reggae and Hip Hop. Sorry Ish, but this made me snort. The number of Hip Hop or Reggae artists that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame have inducted is tiny. Like, count them on one hand tiny. Well, obviously the Hip Hop segment will continue to grow in the coming years. It's at 5 inductees currently and they only began to get inducted starting with Grandmaster Flash in 2007 Another thing to consider as differences between the 2 Hall Of Fames is the Rock N' Roll version has a large amount of English performers besides American and a few from other countries. I'd imagine the Country version is not as diverse
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Post by Confessor on Apr 6, 2017 5:16:12 GMT -5
I'm just really cynical about any organisation like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, or even music awards ceremonies like the Grammys or the BRIT Awards. They're just huge marketing exercises, with the scum-sucking business execs who run the industry patting themselves on the back, while trying to convince the public at large that their event or organisation is something that's actually important.
In the case of awards shows like the Grammys or the BRITS, I always think that the artists who perform at these events are performing "Live from Corporate Headquarters", which really isn't very rock 'n' roll.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Apr 6, 2017 5:31:51 GMT -5
I'm just really cynical about any organisation like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, or even music awards ceremonies like the Grammys or the BRIT Awards. They're just huge marketing exercises, with the scum-sucking business execs who run the industry patting themselves on the back, while trying to convince the public at large that their event or organisation is something that's actually important. In the case of awards shows like the Grammys or the BRITS, I always think that the artists who perform at these events are performing "Live from Corporate Headquarters", which really isn't very rock 'n' roll. I agree with the above. I have not watched an award show of any kind for decades as it's meaningless to me. I do however like the idea of a Rock N' Roll Museum and visiting it is on my bucket list BTW- I erred on the number of Hip Hop artists currently inducted. It's up to 6 currently Grandmaster Flash Beastie Boys Public Enemy N.W.A. Tupac Shakur Run DMC
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Post by Confessor on Apr 6, 2017 5:38:56 GMT -5
BTW- I erred on the number of Hip Hop artists currently inducted. It's up to 6 currently I'm from a small town in the Buckinghamshire countryside, where, historically, there's been a lot of inbreeding, so I can still count them on one hand.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Apr 6, 2017 5:54:35 GMT -5
BTW- I erred on the number of Hip Hop artists currently inducted. It's up to 6 currently I'm from a small town in the Buckinghamshire countryside, where, historically, there's been a lot of inbreeding, so I can still count them on one hand. I didn't know you were part of British royalty
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 6, 2017 10:47:27 GMT -5
Gram Parsons problem...besides dying at 26 is that he possibly straddles the line between country and rock too tightly. The influence is huge though. And there has been a push to get him in. Again, I can see this, but it also goes back to what I said earlier about both the Country Music Hall of Fame and the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame being (to quote myself) "run by old, out of touch codgers, with a peculiarly blinkered and myopic vision of what actually constitutes the best of the genre the Hall of Fame is supposed to represent." Parsons definitely saw himself as a country- rock musician, no doubts there, but his stuff is more orientated towards country than rock, IMHO. This is particularly evident on his first solo album GP from 1973, which features a fair amount of straight country music. In addition, given that Parsons pretty much created the entire "outlaw country" and modern "alt. country" movements, along with being a big influence on the '80s paisley underground and cow punk scenes, should really guarantee him a place. His influence on what we think of today as country music is pretty big. He also introduced the wonderful Emmylou Harris to the public at large, which is no small thing. Actually, have they inducted Emmylou Harris yet? I ask because she's just as "one foot in the country camp and one foot in the rock camp" as Gram, I'd say. Emmylou got in in 2008. Emmylou has always been seen as more country than rock...at least by the country establishment. While Gram was probably seen as more rock than country. But his influence has been enormous and he definitely belongs there. I love GP. His album with The International Submarine Band "Safe at Home" was almost a dry run for his later more country sound as opposed to what he did with the Burritos, for example.
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