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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2024 10:19:45 GMT -5
Curious....which 80s song does everyone wish they wrote first?
Mine would probably be Careless Whisper by George Michael.
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Post by tartanphantom on Apr 17, 2024 10:25:04 GMT -5
Curious....which 80s song does everyone wish they wrote first?
Mine would probably be Careless Whisper by George Michael.
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Post by Confessor on Apr 17, 2024 10:27:00 GMT -5
Fantastic choice! I'm so glad to see somebody else choose this album because it only narrowly mised my Top 10. The track "Madame Butterfly" is worth the price of admission alone, it's just a stunning piece of work. But there are plenty of other enjoyable opera/dance pop fusions to enjoy too ("Boys Chorus" and "Death of Butterfly" are other stand out tracks for me). I know what you mean about "Carmen"; I'm not sure I'd go as far as you and call it an out-and-out "dud", but it was certainly a disappointing follow-up single to the sublime "Madame Butterfly". Do you know McLaren's previous album Duck Rock? That's much more hip-hop flavoured, though combined with lots of World Music elements, such as South African Township Jive and Colombian dance bands. It's a really interesting listen; "Buffalo Gals" and "Double Dutch" were the two big hits from it over here in the UK, but I don't know if they did much in the U.S.? Treasure - the Cocteau Twins I'm not massively knowledgeable about the Cocteau Twins, but there's the odd song of theirs that I know, such as "Heaven or Las Vegas" and "Bluebeard". Really, for me I know them more as a band that influenced a lot of the shoegaze and jangly indie bands that I love, such as My Bloody Valentine, Slowdive, and the Sundays. 1984.4 A Pagan Place - the WaterboysLike you, I got into the Waterboys via the Fisherman's Blues album in 1988 and I only went back and started investigating their earlier stuff in the 2000s. To be honest, my investigation of their earlier stuff is limited to the compilation album The Best of The Waterboys '81–'90, so I don't the A Pagan Place album in its entirety. The songs from that album that I do know are "The Big Music" and "All The Things She Gave Me". I really like the song you posted, "A Pagan Place", on first listen. Reckoning - R.E.M Confessor already posted So. Central Rain so I'll go with Don't Go Back to Rockville, which has more of a country swing to it than most of their material: Reckoning is a cracking good album. I love "(Don't Go Back to) Rockville" too. Broadcasting from Home - the Penguin Café Orchestra I know this! This is the music from the end of the film Napolean Dynamite, though it's not the same version. Can't say I've heard of the Penguin Café Orchestra, is this similar to their other stuff?
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Post by Confessor on Apr 17, 2024 11:43:13 GMT -5
Hey, Slam_Bradley, berkley, and EdoBosnar, I'm just drawing up my 1994 list and I'm wondering if it's OK to include live albums in our yearly lists? Or is it best we limit it to studio albums only? I'm not generally a fan of live albums, but there are a few exceptions (one of which came out in '94). But by their very nature, live albums almost always feature songs from across a band's whole career, so they aren't representative of a set period in that artist's history like a studio album is. Thoughts?
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Post by berkley on Apr 17, 2024 11:47:45 GMT -5
Fantastic choice! I'm so glad to see somebody else choose this album because it only narrowly mised my Top 10. The track "Madame Butterfly" is worth the price of admission alone, it's just a stunning piece of work. But there are plenty of other enjoyable opera/dance pop fusions to enjoy too ("Boys Chorus" and "Death of Butterfly" are other stand out tracks for me). I know what you mean about "Carmen"; I'm not sure I'd go as far as you and call it an out-and-out "dud", but it was certainly a disappointing follow-up single to the sublime "Madame Butterfly". Do you know McLaren's previous album Duck Rock? That's much more hip-hop flavoured, though combined with lots of World Music elements, such as South African Township Jive and Colombian dance bands. It's a really interesting listen; "Buffalo Gals" and "Double Dutch" were the two big hits from it over here in the UK, but I don't know if they did much in the U.S.? Treasure - the Cocteau Twins I'm not massively knowledgeable about the Cocteau Twins, but there's the odd song of theirs that I know, such as "Heaven or Las Vegas" and "Bluebeard". Really, for me I know them more as a band that influenced a lot of the shoegaze and jangly indie bands that I love, such as My Bloody Valentine, Slowdive, and the Sundays. 1984.4 A Pagan Place - the WaterboysLike you, I got into the Waterboys via the Fisherman's Blues album in 1988 and I only went back and started investigating their earlier stuff in the 2000s. To be honest, my investigation of their earlier stuff is limited to the compilation album The Best of The Waterboys '81–'90, so I don't the A Pagan Place album in its entirety. The songs from that album that I do know are "The Big Music" and "All The Things She Gave Me". I really like the song you posted, "A Pagan Place", on first listen. Reckoning - R.E.M Confessor already posted So. Central Rain so I'll go with Don't Go Back to Rockville, which has more of a country swing to it than most of their material: Reckoning is a cracking good album. I love "(Don't Go Back to) Rockville" too. Broadcasting from Home - the Penguin Café Orchestra I know this! This is the music from the end of the film Napolean Dynamite, though it's not the same version. Can't say I've heard of the Penguin Café Orchestra, is this similar to their other stuff?
I would say yes, this is fairly representative of their (PCO's) sound, but there's a lot of variety and inventiveness within their music. Haven't seen the ND movie but this is an added incentive.
Waterboys: after Fisherman's Blues I started with that same Best of compilation too and then started getting the individual cds. A Pagan Place might be my favourite of the earlier ones but Room to Roam would be my #2 over-all, with FB still as #1.
McLaren released Carmen as a single? Didn't know that. What an error in judgement (says I with my vast experience as a record company executive) - any one of the others would have been better. I think I've heard a few individual tracks from Ducks but no the whole album. I'll have to give it a listen to see for sure, it's been so long.
I like MBV a lot, though Loveless was the only album I actually heard at the time it came out. I've managed to find several of their other cds since then over the years, though I see fro their discography I'm missing their 2013 comeback album. I don't think I've heard anything of Slowdive or the Sundays, but I like this kind of thing so I'll be keeping an eye out for their stuff now.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 17, 2024 11:51:32 GMT -5
Hey, Slam_Bradley , berkley , and EdoBosnar , I'm just drawing up my 1994 list and I'm wondering if it's OK to include live albums in our yearly lists? Or is it best we limit it to studio albums only? I'm not generally a fan of live albums, but there are a few exceptions (one of which came out in '94). But by their very nature, live albums almost always feature songs from across a band's whole career, so they aren't representative of a set period in that artist's history like a studio album is. Thoughts? I'm fine with live albums and have included a few. If I were to go back in the the 60s (which I might at some point) "At Folsom Prison," "At San Quentin" and "Okie From Muskogee" would almost certainly make my lists for their respective years. Jerry Jeff Walker's "Viva Terlingua" which was on my list for 1973 is technically a live album, though it doesn't quite feel like one. In fact, there's a non-zero chance that Bob Marley "Live!" shows up in 1975. (foreshadowing).
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Post by Confessor on Apr 17, 2024 12:04:16 GMT -5
Hey, Slam_Bradley , berkley , and EdoBosnar , I'm just drawing up my 1994 list and I'm wondering if it's OK to include live albums in our yearly lists? Or is it best we limit it to studio albums only? I'm not generally a fan of live albums, but there are a few exceptions (one of which came out in '94). But by their very nature, live albums almost always feature songs from across a band's whole career, so they aren't representative of a set period in that artist's history like a studio album is. Thoughts? I'm fine with live albums and have included a few. If I were to go back in the the 60s (which I might at some point) "At Folsom Prison," "At San Quentin" and "Okie From Muskogee" would almost certainly make my lists for their respective years. Jerry Jeff Walker's "Viva Terlingua" which was on my list for 1973 is technically a live album, though it doesn't quite feel like one. I suppose the thing this, any live album chosen should probably be a contemporary release though, in terms of it having been recorded at a recent gig, rather than an archival release of an old gig. Like, David Bowie's Santa Monica '72 came out in 1994, but it captures a gig from 22 years earlier, so that shouldn't be eligable as a 1994 album for the purposes of our lists. But Bob Marley's Live! is fine (if you choose it for 1975) because it was recorded at a gig 4 months before it was released.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 17, 2024 12:19:14 GMT -5
I'm fine with live albums and have included a few. If I were to go back in the the 60s (which I might at some point) "At Folsom Prison," "At San Quentin" and "Okie From Muskogee" would almost certainly make my lists for their respective years. Jerry Jeff Walker's "Viva Terlingua" which was on my list for 1973 is technically a live album, though it doesn't quite feel like one. I suppose the thing this, any live album chosen should probably be a contemporary release though, in terms of it having been recorded at a recent gig, rather than an archival release of an old gig. Like, David Bowie's Santa Monica '72 came out in 1994, but it captures a gig from 22 years earlier, so that shouldn't be eligable as a 1994 album for the purposes of our lists. But Bob Marley's Live! is fine (if you choose it for 1975) because it was recorded at a gig 4 months before it was released. I actually edited in about Bob Marley Live as you were typing this up. I don't have any real hard and fast rules. I generally only do Live albums if they're important or particularly interesting, but it's situational. And I tend to avoid Greatest Hits type albums, but not always. If an artist pre-dated the album era and the compilation album is important enough to me, and in general, it can hit my list. Chuck Berry's The Great Twenty-Eight did. And I can almost guarantee that Robert Johnson The Complete Recordings is likely to hit #1 for 1990.
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Post by Confessor on Apr 17, 2024 12:33:01 GMT -5
McLaren released Carmen as a single? Didn't know that. What an error in judgement (says I with my vast experience as a record company executive) - any one of the others would have been better. I think I've heard a few individual tracks from Ducks but no the whole album. I'll have to give it a listen to see for sure, it's been so long. I like MBV a lot, though Loveless was the only album I actually heard at the time it came out. I've managed to find several of their other cds since then over the years, though I see fro their discography I'm missing their 2013 comeback album. I don't think I've heard anything of Slowdive or the Sundays, but I like this kind of thing so I'll be keeping an eye out for their stuff now. Yeah, "Carmen" was a single (at least here in the UK), but you're verdict of that being "an error in judgement" is probably a good one since it missed the charts completely (Wikipedia tells me that it actually got to #79). The My Bloody Valentine comeback album from 2013 is pretty good, though not as good as Loveless, predictably, or even Isn't Anything for that matter. But if you're already "on the bus" with the band, which you are, you'll find plenty to enjoy there. As for The Sundays, I'm sure you'll have heard "Here's Where the Story Ends", which is a fantastic song and was a bit of an "indie disco hit" in 1991 (Wikipedia tells me it was a number 1 on the U.S. Alternative Chart). I'd be surprised if you'd not heard this.
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Post by berkley on Apr 17, 2024 13:24:15 GMT -5
McLaren released Carmen as a single? Didn't know that. What an error in judgement (says I with my vast experience as a record company executive) - any one of the others would have been better. I think I've heard a few individual tracks from Ducks but no the whole album. I'll have to give it a listen to see for sure, it's been so long. I like MBV a lot, though Loveless was the only album I actually heard at the time it came out. I've managed to find several of their other cds since then over the years, though I see fro their discography I'm missing their 2013 comeback album. I don't think I've heard anything of Slowdive or the Sundays, but I like this kind of thing so I'll be keeping an eye out for their stuff now. Yeah, "Carmen" was a single (at least here in the UK), but you're verdict of that being "an error in judgement" is probably a good one since it missed the charts completely (Wikipedia tells me that it actually got to #79). The My Bloody Valentine comeback album from 2013 is pretty good, though not as good as good as Loveless, predicably, or even Isn't Anything for that matter. But if you're already "on the bus" with the band, which you are, you'll find plenty to enjoy there. As for The Sundays, I'm sure you'll have heard "Here's Where the Story Ends", which is a fantastic song and was a bit of an "indie disco hit" in 1991 (Wikipedia tells me it was a number 1 on the U.S. Alternative Chart). I'd be surprised if you'd not heard this.
Yes I know that song now I hear it again, not sure I ever knew the title or the name of the band. Great tune. Is the rest of their stuff as good as the hit single?
On live albums, I agree, it's a case by case decision. Many times they feel more or less pointless to me but there are exceptions that have such a strong personality of their own that I see them as independent albums of the artist rather than compilations that happen to have been recorded live. The Stones' Get Yer Ya Yas Out, or Frampton Comes Alive would be obvious examples.
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Post by Confessor on Apr 17, 2024 14:14:55 GMT -5
Yes I know that song now I hear it again, not sure I ever knew the title or the name of the band. Great tune. Is the rest of their stuff as good as the hit single? Oh yeah, if you like that song you will definitely enjoy the rest of The Sundays stuff. It's very representative of their music generally.
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Post by commond on Apr 17, 2024 15:34:02 GMT -5
I never had any Prince albums but I liked the 1999 album, which I heard at a friend's house. I would probably like this one too, since all the hits were good. Maybe I got a little tired of it on the radio. He was a huge talent, undoubtedly. I have a bad impression of him as a person because of some story I heard about him involving Sinead O'Connor. I think he was certainly a very complex person. And not a little strange too, to be brutally honest. I'm not sure what story you are referring to regarding Sinead O'Connor, but I know in the 2000s he developed a bit of a dislike of other artists covering his material, regardless of the songwriting royalties it brought him. That always struck me as a bit weird insofar as he was being financially compensated for those covers and also because he was an artist who regularly gave songs away to other acts -- and, in fact, "Nothing Compares 2 U" was given to The Family years before O'Connor recorded it (if that is the gist of the story that you're referring to?). Myself, I loved Prince back in the '80s and still do...but only up to a point. I enjoy and own all of his albums (and several bootlegs) from his debut in 1978 up to the point in 1993 where he changed his name to "symbol" or The Artist Formerly Known As Prince. His last couple of albums prior to that -- Love Symbol and Come -- were patchy as hell, but I drew the line when he released the God-awful "The Most Beautiful Girl in the World" single. That song was a piece of cheesy sh*t unbefitting of an artist of Prince's magnitude and I never bought another album by him. Still, there was a golden period from between, say, 1980's Dirty Mind album and Diamonds and Pearls in 1991 where his output was incredibly good and incredibly prolific. Prince did plenty of dickish things in his lifetime. Some of them were funny, like the Charlie Murphy sketch on The Dave Chappelle show, while others were not like breaking "Captain" Kirk Douglas' prized 1961 Epiphone Crestwood on Jimmy Fallon's show then refused to sign it. The Gold Experience is a pretty good album. I liked the sprawling Emancipation album too. Then he fell off a cliff until his comeback album, Musicology, which wasn't bad but was really just default Prince. I actually like The Most Beautiful Girl in the World. The album version is better than the single, fwiw.
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Post by Confessor on Apr 17, 2024 18:56:55 GMT -5
OK, Top 10 albums of 1994 then. This was a really strong year for albums in my view; several records that I really like didn't make the top 10 because there was just so much competition. Anyway, here we go... #10 - Give Out but Don't Give Up by Primal ScreamOne of the things I love about Primal Scream is that no two albums of theirs sound the same. That's certainly true about this album, which followed the band's 1991 ecstasy-drenched, dance music masterpiece Screamadelica. For Give Out but Don't Give Up, the band travelled to Ardent Studios in Memphis to record with legendary producer Tom Dowd (and later George Drakoulias) and came back with something that recalled the classic rock swagger of early '70s Rolling Stones or the Faces. Though there had been signposts to this change in musical direction on 1992's Dixie-Narco EP, for most fans it came as a total shock. And the critics hated the album! Still, it reached #2 in the UK charts and hits like "Rocks" and "Jailbird" became '90s classics (at least here in the UK). Myself, I like the album every bit as much as Screamadelica. "Jailbird" is a great, hip-shakin' opener, while the album's other big hit, "Rocks", is an energetic, Stonesy stomper. Other stand out tracks include "Big Jet Plane", which brings to mind prime Allman Brothers Band, and "(I'm Gonna) Cry Myself Blind", a gentle ballad that wouldn't have sounded out of place on the Faces' early '70s albums. Special mention as well to "Sad and Blue", for being a simply gorgeous slide guitar, harmonica and gospel choir adorned gem, with the Primals at their most down-home, stoned and fatigued. The band hadn't completely abandoned their dance club leanings though: the descriptively named "Funky Jam" invokes the spirit of the Parliament-Funkadelic collective (George Clinton guests on vocals) and was always an "indie disco floor filler" back in the day. The languid, groove-based title track also features Clinton. I'm gonna pick the single "Jailbird" to showcase the album. This is just a kick-ass song – a slinky-sounding, whisky-swiggin' rocker, with a killer guitar riff and a great sing-along chorus featuring totally inappropriate lyrics ("Gimme more of that Jailbird pie").
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Post by Confessor on Apr 17, 2024 19:20:27 GMT -5
#10 – Ian Tyson – Eighteen Inches of Rain
I only know Ian Tyson from his early '60s Ian & Sylvia folk recordings. These two tracks are OK, but they sound a bit slick and "safe" production and performance-wise. The songs aren't bad at all, but I think I'd have liked them more if they had a bit more grit to them.
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Post by berkley on Apr 17, 2024 19:32:01 GMT -5
I'll be quicker with my 1994 list than I was with 1984 but there are still a few things I want to listen to again before deciding my exact rankings.
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