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Post by berkley on Jul 18, 2024 17:07:17 GMT -5
More top albums of 1964... #2 - Another Side of Bob Dylan by Bob DylanBob Dylan released two albums in 1964. The first, The Times They Are a-Changin', continued his socially conscious, folk protest period and, while it's certainly an excellent album, I do find it gets a little bogged down under the weight of its own seriousness. Another Side of Bob Dylan was his second LP of the year and is by far my favourite of the two records. This was Dylan's first album to eschew topical material since the protest movement adopted him as their spokesperson. Instead, the record features 11 songs with interpersonal themes, highlighted by highly poetic lyrics that are peppered with surrealistic or whimsical turns of phrase. The whole album was recorded in one marathon evening session and, as a result, there's a spontaneous, ramshackle feel to much of the material (Dylan even fluffs the odd lyric, on occasion). The fact that he would choose to present his newest and most experimental material in such a slapdash fashion speaks volumes of his faith in the strength of the songs. It's difficult to pick standout tracks because, frankly, they're all standouts! I guess the most famous compositions here would be "It Ain't Me Babe", "All I Really Want to Do", "Chimes of Freedom", and "My Back Pages" (the last three of which were all later covered by the Byrds). But I'm gonna choose "To Ramona" to showcase the album; it's a pretty song, in which Dylan comforts and advises a distressed woman against the advice of her friends and family... I prefer this one and the next few to his earlier, protest-oriented albums too. And Ramona would probably be my pick as my favourite single track from it as well, unless something jumped out at me upon re-listening - I haven't actually played this album for a few years now. |
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Post by Doghouse Reilly on Jul 18, 2024 19:16:57 GMT -5
A question for those of you versed in drumming: Is there a term for the Vinny Appice drum run? That's what I call it, anyway. Any song he plays on will serve as an example, such as this one:
They're all over this song, but if you don't want to play the whole song, there's one starting at 1:33, and ends with the cymbals, as they all do. Other drummers do this, of course, but either Vinny is doing this much more often than everyone else, or he's doing it in a way that makes it stand out to me. Bonzo, Paice and Ward were the first drummers I learned to appreciate, but Vinny was the first one I could pick out anywhere because of... whatever this thing is called.
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Post by berkley on Jul 18, 2024 19:31:33 GMT -5
A question for those of you versed in drumming: Is there a term for the Vinny Appice drum run? That's what I call it, anyway. Any song he plays on will serve as an example, such as this one: They're all over this song, but if you don't want to play the whole song, there's one starting at 1:33, and ends with the cymbals, as they all do. Other drummers do this, of course, but either Vinny is doing this much more often than everyone else, or he's doing it in a way that makes it stand out to me. Bonzo, Paice and Ward were the first drummers I learned to appreciate, but Vinny was the first one I could pick out anywhere because of... whatever this thing is called. Which artist and which song is it? The video doesn't come up for me.
edit: I don't know anything about drumming, BTW, just curious to hear whatever bit of drumming it is you mean.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 18, 2024 19:49:50 GMT -5
I’ll try to play catch-up tomorrow. I picked up a stomach bug and was barely functioning today.
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Post by Doghouse Reilly on Jul 18, 2024 21:05:49 GMT -5
A question for those of you versed in drumming: Is there a term for the Vinny Appice drum run? That's what I call it, anyway. Any song he plays on will serve as an example, such as this one: They're all over this song, but if you don't want to play the whole song, there's one starting at 1:33, and ends with the cymbals, as they all do. Other drummers do this, of course, but either Vinny is doing this much more often than everyone else, or he's doing it in a way that makes it stand out to me. Bonzo, Paice and Ward were the first drummers I learned to appreciate, but Vinny was the first one I could pick out anywhere because of... whatever this thing is called. Which artist and which song is it? The video doesn't come up for me. edit: I don't know anything about drumming, BTW, just curious to hear whatever bit of drumming it is you mean.
It's a Black Sabbath Song called Over And Over. |
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Post by tartanphantom on Jul 18, 2024 23:30:42 GMT -5
A question for those of you versed in drumming: Is there a term for the Vinny Appice drum run? That's what I call it, anyway. Any song he plays on will serve as an example, such as this one: They're all over this song, but if you don't want to play the whole song, there's one starting at 1:33, and ends with the cymbals, as they all do. Other drummers do this, of course, but either Vinny is doing this much more often than everyone else, or he's doing it in a way that makes it stand out to me. Bonzo, Paice and Ward were the first drummers I learned to appreciate, but Vinny was the first one I could pick out anywhere because of... whatever this thing is called.
There's not a particular name for it, but it's just a descending eighth-note triplet fill in a 12/8 slow blues time signature. He does throw in a sixteenth note triplet (which is technically "half" of a sextuplet) about midway through. but other than that, pretty standard for the 12/8 feel.
Drums and mallet percussion were my primary instruments from around 1975 to 1985, including marching, symphonic and jazz band in both high school and college. In fact, they're the only instruments (other than voice) on which I've had formal instruction.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 19, 2024 1:53:04 GMT -5
I’ll try to play catch-up tomorrow. I picked up a stomach bug and was barely functioning today. Hope you feel better soon. I'll hold off posting until you're back in the game. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2024 6:24:46 GMT -5
I’ll try to play catch-up tomorrow. I picked up a stomach bug and was barely functioning today. Hope you feel better soon. I'll hold off posting until you're back in the game. Same from me, feel better Slam! I'm holding too so we can finish together. |
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Post by Doghouse Reilly on Jul 19, 2024 6:54:57 GMT -5
A question for those of you versed in drumming: Is there a term for the Vinny Appice drum run? That's what I call it, anyway. Any song he plays on will serve as an example, such as this one: They're all over this song, but if you don't want to play the whole song, there's one starting at 1:33, and ends with the cymbals, as they all do. Other drummers do this, of course, but either Vinny is doing this much more often than everyone else, or he's doing it in a way that makes it stand out to me. Bonzo, Paice and Ward were the first drummers I learned to appreciate, but Vinny was the first one I could pick out anywhere because of... whatever this thing is called. There's not a particular name for it, but it's just a descending eighth-note triplet fill in a 12/8 slow blues time signature. He does throw in a sixteenth note triplet (which is technically "half" of a sextuplet) about midway through. but other than that, pretty standard for the 12/8 feel.
Drums and mallet percussion were my primary instruments from around 1975 to 1985, including marching, symphonic and jazz band in both high school and college. In fact, they're the only instruments (other than voice) on which I've had formal instruction.
Thanks. Time signatures are an unknowable alien language to me, but at least now I am assured that this is a distinct, recognizable-to-others thing. I was hoping for a human-sounding name for this, though, like when I finally uncovered that one bit in half the blues songs out there is called the turn-around. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 19, 2024 9:36:43 GMT -5
Favorite albums of 1964
#2 - Sam Cooke - Ain't That Good News
The last studio album released by Cooke in his lifetime and it makes one wonder where he would have gone with his career had he lived. With the exception of "Another Saturday Night" which had been released as a single earlier in 1963 this comprised material that was recorded after the drowning death of his young son Vincent. The record afforded Cooke greater freedom in his material with his new contract with RCA. It's all interesting, if not entirely successful. But overall it's an excellent album divided between soul numbers and pop oriented material.
The show-stopper, of course is the absolutely brilliant "A Change Is Gonna Come." An absolutely beautiful composition that went on to become a staple of the Civil Rights movement. Cooke based much of the song on events in his life and his experience performing in the Jim Crow era. On the other hand, "Another Saturday Night" is the kind of poppy soul song that set Cooke's reputation. While they aren't all home runs this is a solid album from start to finish.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 19, 2024 10:39:29 GMT -5
Favorite albums of 1964
#1 - Getz/Gilberto by Stan Getz & João Gilberto
Is it jazz or isn't it jazz? It's jazz...get over it. So why is it here? Generally I don't put jazz albums on these lists because, as a general rule, I have a hard time quantifying where those albums should go, particularly when you add in albums of other genres. But there are exceptions to every rule and when I looked at 1964 it was very clear that the album I've listened to the most in its entirety was this bossa nova classic.
You can argue that bossa nova was a fad, but this album is an all-timer and with tracks like "The Girl From Ipanema" and "Corcovado" it is just never going to be forgotten, much less written off as just a fad. This is truly one of the great, essential albums of all time and as far as jazz goes its influence can only really be touched by the likes of "Kind of Blue" and "Time Out." And let's face it, Astrud Gilberto's vocals are transcendent.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 19, 2024 10:47:17 GMT -5
This morning's selection: 2) Wayne Shorter - Night DreamerBack when I was quite young, Weather Report came on my radar particularly because of bass guitar legend Jaco Pastorius' association with them. And I did indeed become a Jaco fan, but I found I could only listen to Weather Report as a whole in limited doses as the fusion sound in general just isn't something that captivates me. And yet, beyond the Jaco aspect, there was this sax player in Weather Report who seemed to capture my ear a lot with his parts. Wouldn't it be great if I could get more of his playing and maybe a little less of that fusion sound? Well, then young supercat learned there was actually music before the 70's, and indeed Wayne (and many other jazz artists I enjoyed) had all this great more traditional jazz material from earlier in his career. This album was his first after moving over to Blue Note Records, a very talented quintet here with Shorter leading and yet again, I'll let the music do the rest of the talking. I'm a big Wayne Shorter fan. I probably need to re-visit this album. I do prefer Shorter as a leader as opposed to with Weather Report. But this is a nice call. More top albums of 1964... #2 - Another Side of Bob Dylan by Bob Dylan Bob Dylan released two albums in 1964. The first, The Times They Are a-Changin', continued his socially conscious, folk protest period and, while it's certainly an excellent album, I do find it gets a little bogged down under the weight of its own seriousness. Another Side of Bob Dylan was his second LP of the year and is by far my favourite of the two records. This was Dylan's first album to eschew topical material since the protest movement adopted him as their spokesperson. Instead, the record features 11 songs with interpersonal themes, highlighted by highly poetic lyrics that are peppered with surrealistic or whimsical turns of phrase. The whole album was recorded in one marathon evening session and, as a result, there's a spontaneous, ramshackle feel to much of the material (Dylan even fluffs the odd lyric, on occasion). The fact that he would choose to present his newest and most experimental material in such a slapdash fashion speaks volumes of his faith in the strength of the songs. It's difficult to pick standout tracks because, frankly, they're all standouts! I guess the most famous compositions here would be "It Ain't Me Babe", "All I Really Want to Do", "Chimes of Freedom", and "My Back Pages" (the last three of which were all later covered by the Byrds). But I'm gonna choose "To Ramona" to showcase the album; it's a pretty song, in which Dylan comforts and advises a distressed woman against the advice of her friends and family... I appreciate Dylan as a songwriter, but as an artist, not as much. I don't dislike him, but I'm not going to go out of my way to listen to him. But I love a lot of other people (like Johnny Cash) doing his stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2024 12:55:58 GMT -5
Favorite albums of 1964 #2 - Sam Cooke - Ain't That Good News
The last studio album released by Cooke in his lifetime and it makes one wonder where he would have gone with his career had he lived. With the exception of "Another Saturday Night" which had been released as a single earlier in 1963 this comprised material that was recorded after the drowning death of his young son Vincent. The record afforded Cooke greater freedom in his material with his new contract with RCA. It's all interesting, if not entirely successful. But overall it's an excellent album divided between soul numbers and pop oriented material. The show-stopper, of course is the absolutely brilliant "A Change Is Gonna Come." An absolutely beautiful composition that went on to become a staple of the Civil Rights movement. Cooke based much of the song on events in his life and his experience performing in the Jim Crow era. On the other hand, "Another Saturday Night" is the kind of poppy soul song that set Cooke's reputation. While they aren't all home runs this is a solid album from start to finish. Sam Cooke is new to me, though when I hit play for "A Change is Gonna Come" my wife immediately started singing along and is apparently a fan. I rather like as well from hearing this! Yet again something new learned here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2024 13:01:47 GMT -5
Favorite albums of 1964 #1 - Getz/Gilberto by Stan Getz & João Gilberto
Is it jazz or isn't it jazz? It's jazz...get over it. So why is it here? Generally I don't put jazz albums on these lists because, as a general rule, I have a hard time quantifying where those albums should go, particularly when you add in albums of other genres. But there are exceptions to every rule and when I looked at 1964 it was very clear that the album I've listened to the most in its entirety was this bossa nova classic. You can argue that bossa nova was a fad, but this album is an all-timer and with tracks like "The Girl From Ipanema" and "Corcovado" it is just never going to be forgotten, much less written off as just a fad. This is truly one of the great, essential albums of all time and as far as jazz goes its influence can only really be touched by the likes of "Kind of Blue" and "Time Out." And let's face it, Astrud Gilberto's vocals are transcendent. Good to see this one again, beautiful music. I get what you are saying on jazz albums even though that's what I've mostly posted, I feel like I left so many out, it was so hard to prioritize. |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 19, 2024 13:19:52 GMT -5
#2 - Sam Cooke - Ain't That Good News
I don't know this album in its entirety, but looking at the track listing on Wikipedia, I have all but four of its tracks on various Sam Cooke compilations. We've discussed Cooke before and, as you'll know, I'm a big fan. Lots of great music on this album, with "Another Saturday Night", "(Ain't That) Good News", "Meet at Mary's Place", and "A Change Is Gonna Come" being faves of mine. The last studio album released by Cooke in his lifetime and it makes one wonder where he would have gone with his career had he lived. I always wonder this about Buddy Holly too. Especially given how far ahead of the curve he was, in terms of recording techniques and song arranging. Like, what would Holly's '60s, post-British Invasion records have been like? Or even his late '60s ones! Would he have embraced country-rock like the Everly Brothers and Rick Nelson did, or would he have instead dabbled in psychedelia? Likewise with Cooke, can you imagine him doing an early 70s topical soul album like Marvin Gaye's What's Goin' On or Sly & the Family Stone There's a Riot Goin' On? Given that he'd already penned one of the civil rights era's greatest anthems before his death, I can definitely see him doing that. #1 - Getz/Gilberto by Stan Getz & João Gilberto
Great pick! You'll get no disagreements from me about the quality of this album, since it appeared earlier in my run down. It's a beautiful collection. |
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