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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 7, 2020 13:08:54 GMT -5
Nirvana would have been the last kind of music I would have listened to at that time even with a gun to my head. (Still don't like them today.) But yes almost every angsty Gen X teen loved them and thought they were the best thing since Betty White. (Not they probably even knew who that was then.)
I much preferred listening and seeing the emergence of new rappers and old ones from the 80's into the 90's decade. A genre that really flourished and was much better than Nirvana. Though like previous things I've commented on thus far about music, a lot of my distaste and almost annoyance at Nirvana is because it was everywhere and terribly overrated even if they musically and vocally were a talented band.
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Post by impulse on Jul 7, 2020 13:16:11 GMT -5
I was apparently the right age for them to change my world. But they didn't because I never liked them. I'm not arguing with you. They didn't do much for me, and I didn't miss them by all that much. They definitely influenced a lot of what came after is what I'm saying. Not saying it's all good, either, as it eventually led to post-grunge, and how we have Nickelback. Nirvana would have been the last kind of music I would have listened to at that time even with a gun to my head. (Still don't like them today.) But yes almost every angsty Gen X teen loved them and thought they were the best thing since Betty White. (Not they probably even knew who that was then.) I much preferred listening and seeing the emergence of new rappers and old ones from the 80's into the 90's decade. A genre that really flourished and was much better than Nirvana. Though like previous things I've commented on thus far about music, a lot of my distaste and almost annoyance at Nirvana is because it was everywhere and terribly overrated even if they musically and vocally were a talented band. I will concede that Cobain had a unique voice on his guitar, and I can see why his music resonated with so many, even if it did not do much for me. It also has a really heavy melancholy vibe to it which I've never enjoyed. Not shocking considering how he went out...
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 7, 2020 13:21:40 GMT -5
Flock Of Seagulls had several good songs (but very daft hair). A lot of stuff just never made it to the U.S.A. (like most of Slade, or before that The Pretty Things). Sometimes things made it to Canada though, and we had The Shadows and Beatles when they were almost unheard south of the border. If people got a station like L.A.'s KROQ with Rodney Bingenheimer (of the English Disco club fame) they would hear things those programmed chain stations didn't feel brought in enough of the right demographics, and I'd say a greater percentage of Canadian stations were like that, but we also had a chain in CHUM that was historially always the last at everything... last to play and rock music, last to play any Canadian artists... Toronto was such a hostile place for anyone outside Ronnie Hawkins and Gordon Lightfoot they all had to leave the city that always fancied itself as the center of Canada (while really just being a wannabe annex to NYC and almost hating on anything Canadian, it took an Australian circa 1969-71 to fight for Canadian music to be played on Canadian stations, and also Duff Roman one of the few supporters of a Toronto music scene with a record label). But I digress... dig behind most of the supposed 'one hit wonders' and you will find quality earlier stuff from before they broke through as often as not, and subsequent recordings that just came out at the wrong time or something. This is how a music obsessive is created! Kurdt Cobain did speak for my generation somewhat... same general area, same birth year, had a shock of recognition the first time I head anything of his ( Something In The Way). But the same goes for Soundgarden. Most of the scene makers in Seattle are not responsible for that whole dumb Grunge marketing thing though... it also left out a lot of good but less heavy sounding stuff pouring out of J.P. Patches town (and Tacoma in particular)... Girl Trouble, The Green Pajamas, Capping Day, Matt Bruno, The Walkabouts, The Young Fresh Fellows. When I was in junior high in the very early '80s almost everyone boys and girls wore tartan type flannel shirts, t-shirts and worn jeans, it was only made a PNW Grunge look later, it's just what we had access to. The only alternative was Adidas and Nike sports stuff. Vancouver Canada and area actually had a better music scene before the Grunge explosion... perhaps people have heard of The Pointed Sticks, NoMeansNo, Art Bergman, The Modernettes, Doug & The Slugs, The Grapes Of Wrath, 54.40, The Subhumans, Slow, The Dishrags? No? Well every area used to have various great groups... San Francisco's The Bus Boys, Athens, GA's Pylon, Boston's Spongetones, New Jersey's Smithereens, Toronto's Shadowy Men On A Shadowy Planet. Many places that seems to have been crushed entirely... and it was always a struggle against indifference and local negativity most places with little support from most commercial radio stations (college and university stations is where I first heard R.E.M. and Crashtest Dummies). You gotta dig! Dig out those nuggets or discover someone locally and get a stoke on! Disregarding genre definitions helps too. There is something tasty in every kind of junk.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 7, 2020 13:29:44 GMT -5
Let me say in Cobain's defense, as someone who knew people who knew him... he was a genuine music fan himself. His enthusiasm for and sharing the spotlight with others was total class in my book. From his covering Shocking Blue's Love Buzz to doing those Meat Puppets songs on MTV. Personally I related to the way he would throw himself into the drum kit like he meant it too... that alone was better than most of what Sonic Youth could do on a stage. If people can slag off Nirvana I get dibs on Thurston Moore (the pretentious bore). Sonic Youth was carried by Kim Gordon to me. I could write some bad things about Kurt Cobain, but I won't. Don't be like him or like his music, that's totally fine with me. Definitely don't adopt some of those habits. Remember, you don't have to be a hippie to listen to and enjoy some hippie music.
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Post by rberman on Jul 7, 2020 13:49:33 GMT -5
Let me say in Cobain's defense, as someone who knew people who knew him... he was a genuine music fan himself. His enthusiasm for and sharing the spotlight with others was total class in my book. From his covering Shocking Blue's Love Buzz to doing those Meat Puppets songs on MTV. Personally I related to the way he would throw himself into the drum kit like he meant it too... that alone was better than most of what Sonic Youth could do on a stage. If people can slag off Nirvana I get dibs on Thurston Moore (the pretentious bore). Sonic Youth was carried by Kim Gordon to me. I could write some bad things about Kurt Cobain, but I won't. Don't be like him or like his music, that's totally fine with me. Definitely don't adopt some of those habits. Remember, you don't have to be a hippie to listen to and enjoy some hippie music. I like his music fine. I also know a guy who took Cobain in when he was homeless. Cobain crashed on his couch for a few weeks. When he disappeared, he took the guy's car battery with him.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 7, 2020 14:04:32 GMT -5
Let me say in Cobain's defense, as someone who knew people who knew him... he was a genuine music fan himself. His enthusiasm for and sharing the spotlight with others was total class in my book. From his covering Shocking Blue's Love Buzz to doing those Meat Puppets songs on MTV. Personally I related to the way he would throw himself into the drum kit like he meant it too... that alone was better than most of what Sonic Youth could do on a stage. If people can slag off Nirvana I get dibs on Thurston Moore (the pretentious bore). Sonic Youth was carried by Kim Gordon to me. I could write some bad things about Kurt Cobain, but I won't. Don't be like him or like his music, that's totally fine with me. Definitely don't adopt some of those habits. Remember, you don't have to be a hippie to listen to and enjoy some hippie music. I like his music fine. I also know a guy who took Cobain in when he was homeless. Cobain crashed on his couch for a few weeks. When he disappeared, he took the guy's car battery with him.A man's gotta eat.
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Post by impulse on Jul 7, 2020 16:50:23 GMT -5
I like his music fine. I also know a guy who took Cobain in when he was homeless. Cobain crashed on his couch for a few weeks. When he disappeared, he took the guy's car battery with him.A man's gotta eat. Mmm, battery acid.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 7, 2020 19:45:49 GMT -5
Well, apparently, since Billy Idol was the lead singer of Generation X, he was supposed to be the voice of my generation, which is why I'm Dancing With Myself, while making Rebel Yells, at White Weddings.
I like to think Devo was the voice of my generation.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 7, 2020 19:59:48 GMT -5
Flock Of Seagulls had several good songs (but very daft hair). A lot of stuff just never made it to the U.S.A. (like most of Slade, or before that The Pretty Things). Sometimes things made it to Canada though, and we had The Shadows and Beatles when they were almost unheard south of the border. If people got a station like L.A.'s KROQ with Rodney Bingenheimer (of the English Disco club fame) they would hear things those programmed chain stations didn't feel brought in enough of the right demographics, and I'd say a greater percentage of Canadian stations were like that, but we also had a chain in CHUM that was historially always the last at everything... last to play and rock music, last to play any Canadian artists... Toronto was such a hostile place for anyone outside Ronnie Hawkins and Gordon Lightfoot they all had to leave the city that always fancied itself as the center of Canada (while really just being a wannabe annex to NYC and almost hating on anything Canadian, it took an Australian circa 1969-71 to fight for Canadian music to be played on Canadian stations, and also Duff Roman one of the few supporters of a Toronto music scene with a record label). But I digress... dig behind most of the supposed 'one hit wonders' and you will find quality earlier stuff from before they broke through as often as not, and subsequent recordings that just came out at the wrong time or something. This is how a music obsessive is created! Kurdt Cobain did speak for my generation somewhat... same general area, same birth year, had a shock of recognition the first time I head anything of his ( Something In The Way). But the same goes for Soundgarden. Most of the scene makers in Seattle are not responsible for that whole dumb Grunge marketing thing though... it also left out a lot of good but less heavy sounding stuff pouring out of J.P. Patches town (and Tacoma in particular)... Girl Trouble, The Green Pajamas, Capping Day, Matt Bruno, The Walkabouts, The Young Fresh Fellows. When I was in junior high in the very early '80s almost everyone boys and girls wore tartan type flannel shirts, t-shirts and worn jeans, it was only made a PNW Grunge look later, it's just what we had access to. The only alternative was Adidas and Nike sports stuff. Vancouver Canada and area actually had a better music scene before the Grunge explosion... perhaps people have heard of The Pointed Sticks, NoMeansNo, Art Bergman, The Modernettes, Doug & The Slugs, The Grapes Of Wrath, 54.40, The Subhumans, Slow, The Dishrags? No? Well every area used to have various great groups... San Francisco's The Bus Boys, Athens, GA's Pylon, Boston's Spongetones, New Jersey's Smithereens, Toronto's Shadowy Men On A Shadowy Planet. Many places that seems to have been crushed entirely... and it was always a struggle against indifference and local negativity most places with little support from most commercial radio stations (college and university stations is where I first heard R.E.M. and Crashtest Dummies). You gotta dig! Dig out those nuggets or discover someone locally and get a stoke on! Disregarding genre definitions helps too. There is something tasty in every kind of junk. MTV was pretty kind to Flock, as they were there early on, when MTV was desperate for content and would play nearly anything (white, anyway). They were one of the earliest bands I saw on there, in 1982, when we got cable, with MTV. "I Ran," "Wishing (If I Had a Photograph of You)," and "Space Age Love Song" all got pretty heavy play. I saw an interview from the 90s, with the Mike Score, where he said they weren't getting much attention until he did the hair. I loved their stuff and listened to it all the time. "Telecommunication" is another great one, "The More You Live, the More You Love," "(It's Not Me) Talking." They put this up a couple of years ago, with the Prague Philharmonic. really good version of Space Age Love Song." That's why I say I love the whole New Wave post-punk era, with bands like Flock of Seagulls, Adam Ant, Oingo Boingo, Devo, Martha and the Muffins, INXS, The Motels, the Tubes, ABC, Haircut 100, Madness, Yazoo (Yaz, in the US), The Human League, Orbital, Simple Minds, The Alarm, Josie Cotton, The Go-Gos, the B-52s, Blondie, The Cars, Cheap Trick, etc... That's part of why I loved early MTV, as it introduced me to so much great stuff not being played on US mainstream radio (not in my neck of the woods, anyway). Heck, they introduced me to The Clash (central Illinois was pretty musically deprived).
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 7, 2020 20:01:50 GMT -5
ps. The Band looks like a bunch of middle-aged London gangsters in that video; my how things have changed.
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Post by impulse on Jul 27, 2020 13:24:28 GMT -5
Against my better judgement, I allowed myself to be pulled into a discussion on whether a certain band can be correctly included under the "metal" umbrella. If you think comic book fans are the height of unnecessary hair-splitting pedantry, let me introduce you to metal elitists. Good grief. Talk about missing the point on purpose to argue distinctions no one cares about aside from three people online. Never mind that even technically, I was right.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 27, 2020 16:45:15 GMT -5
I think Fleetwood Mac with Peter Green's The Green Manalishi is metal, so they can split into the wind with all the truly truest of the true punks out there. Just spent some time watching and listening to Peter Green with The Bluesbreakers and Fleetwood Mac. I remember the final push to get a Region 2 PAL compatible DVD player was the release of the biography on Green: 'Man Of The World'.
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Post by impulse on Jul 27, 2020 21:48:49 GMT -5
I think Fleetwood Mac with Peter Green's The Green Manalishi is metal, so they can split into the wind with all the truly truest of the true punks out there. Just spent some time watching and listening to Peter Green with The Bluesbreakers and Fleetwood Mac. I remember the final push to get a Region 2 PAL compatible DVD player was the release of the biography on Green: 'Man Of The World'. The fact that Judas Priest covered The Green Manalishi doesn't hurt your argument. I didn't realize Green played with the Bluesbreakers.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 28, 2020 11:18:37 GMT -5
I didn't realize Green played with the Bluesbreakers. That's where the Mick Fleetwood-John McVie rhythm section was born while Peter Green was lead guitarist, which turned into Fleetwood Mac during some recording time John Mayall had gifted to Peter. They cooked up an instrumental that he titled Fleetwood Mac. Found this cool blog post about Greeny: andnowitsallthis.blogspot.com/2019/10/meeting-peter-green-before-and-after.html
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Post by impulse on Jul 28, 2020 11:58:44 GMT -5
Well there you go. I haven't been too into Fleetwood Mac, nor did I listen to Mayall much aside from Clapton's album.
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