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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2022 20:34:47 GMT -5
I should re-read them at some point.. the last time I did, I found them a slog honestly... I think it's the writing style. It's funny, about 2 years ago a re-read the Sword of Shannara for a book club.. I LOVED Terry Brooks as a kid. I didn't realize at the time how much a blatant 'homage' to LoTR it is at the time. My post today is a different re-read... Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov After I read the 1st two Foundation books, I was surprised to find I had very little recollection of this one.. all the cool stuff I enjoyed in the series had already happened. Now I remember why... this one isn't very good. Asimov attempts to write a girl as the main character, and it's not pretty. Sometimes she's a manipulative flirt that can get anything she want from any man(Which is a bit weird, since she's 14), and sometimes she's a scared girl desperate for protection. Then when she does finally do something good, they reveal it wasn't REALLY her, which was disappointing. Now that I've read this one, I vaguely remember in the other books (written MUCH later, which never goes well), entries from her book replace the encyclopedia Galactica entries in the chapter headings... her name seemed familiar, though I had forgotten she was a little girl in this book. Then there's the Second Foundation stuff... if you spend any time thinking about it, it makes NO sense whatsoever that they let the Mule do anything, The big reveal at the end I think was meant to be a big shock, but it felt like a big meh... and I definitely didn't remember it. I definitely think I can just read the 1st two next time I have the urge. I tried to reread a bit of Shanara (the excerpt that was in the first issue of Heavy Metal (or maybe it was Epic Illustrated; I can't recall) and I couldn't even get through that little bit. I read the first trilogy a couple times in high school, but couldn't get through the second batch of books, and haven't been able to get into them any time since then that I tried a reread (couldn't get into the MTV show either). The best thing about it now in my estimation is the cover art by the Brothers Hidebrandt. And I think I liked it so much in high school because it was such a blatant homage to LOTR and I dug the formula at the time. Now I see it as a bug, not a feature. As for Foundation, I reread the first book last year but haven't gotten around to diving into the second book since. -M
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Post by EdoBosnar on Sept 18, 2022 12:30:01 GMT -5
The Carnelian ThroneJanet E. Morris, 1979 Book four – finally! – of the Silistra quartet (the first three are reviewed here, here and here). In this one, the main series character Estri, accompanied by Sereth and Chayin, travels by ship to the planet’s other major land-mass, Aehre-Kanoss. Their reason for doing so was initially to hunt down some off-worlders left there in the last book by Khys, but that gets forgotten rather quickly. What they all three find once they get there is that a big chunk of the continent is under the sway of something called the ‘wehr’ – it’s hard to summarize, but it’s basically a sort of immense community that is connected by a shared consciousness – and it consists not only of humans, but also other animals. Humans, in fact, are mostly not dominant in the ‘wehrdom’; the dominant position seems to be held by giant winged creatures who are sort of like a hybrid of humans and bats. The ‘wehr’ is a apparently an evolutionary by-product of the genetic engineering common during the planet’s highly-industrialized, machine-age before times (although the explanation for how something like this could evolve unguided is pretty convoluted and unconvincing). Estri and her two companions fall afoul of the wehr when, separated from their ship on a cold rainy night, they build a fire and then hunt down a few small animals to eat and then also kill a large predatory beast that attacks them. Unfortunately, all of them were part of the wehr. They also briefly meet a young man named Deilcrit, who serves the wehr but is apparently not part of it – or so he thinks. He becomes a major character, and the chapters alternate between a standard third-person narrative that follows his story and Estri’s first-person narration as in the preceding books. Basically, the appearance of Estri and her crew serves as a catalyst for a major change that's about to occur in the wehr, in which Deilcrit also plays a pivotal role. Just in terms of structure and pacing, I’d say this is probably the best of the four books – there is more action, fewer exposition-heavy dialogues and dry explanations (although they’re still here), and even far less sexual assault. It’s also – blessedly in my mind – about a hundred pages shorter than the preceding two books. However, none of those reasons are enough to make me say that this is actually a good book. Honestly, I’m just glad (almost giddy) that I’m done with this series – and I'm *never* going to read anything else by Morris. By the way, Confessor , since you took an interest in the covers, here's the first printing cover of this book (also credited to Bob Larkin):
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Post by berkley on Sept 25, 2022 20:39:51 GMT -5
I never much liked Larkin's covers for Marvel in the late 1970s and early 80s but that one doesn't seem too bad. I think I prefer the other one thought - who was the artist? Can't quite make out the signature.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Sept 26, 2022 7:57:05 GMT -5
I never much liked Larkin's covers for Marvel in the late 1970s and early 80s but that one doesn't seem too bad. I think I prefer the other one thought - who was the artist? Can't quite make out the signature. Lou Feck.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Sept 27, 2022 11:10:45 GMT -5
Double DownMax Allan Collins, 2021 After struggling through those execrable Silistra books ( see above), I really needed a literary palate cleanser, and Collins is just what the doctor ordered. This book features the recurring character Nolan, a tough and accomplished master of well-organized heists, and again, like the previous Nolan volume I reviewed earlier this year, Two for the Money, it’s an omnibus edition collecting two books that were previously published in 1981: Fly Paper and Hush Money. Fly Paper starts with two parallel plotlines that eventually converge: the first involves a young man named Ken who’s working on a plan to hijack a passenger jet in order to extract a huge ransom. The second focuses on Nolan and Jon, who sort of accidentally became Nolan’s sidekick in the first two books (he’s interesting in that he’s a total comic book geek and collector). Nolan has retired from the thieving and heist game after the events of the first two books, but he’s rather bored working as the manager of a mob-run tourist hotel and resort south of Chicago. When he gets a panicky call from Jon in Iowa City, who tells him that one of his old former partners in crime has shown up at his door with two (superficial it turns out) gunshot wounds, he rushes right over. Said former colleague had gotten double-crossed by a pair of small-time crooks who steal money from parking meters. So Nolan comes up with a scheme that offers payback as well as the theft of their ill-gotten take. And afterward, Nolan and Jon are scheduled to take a plane trip back home… Hush Money starts with the cold-blooded murder of the youngest brother in a mob-connected family of shady businessmen in Des Moines, Iowa. The Chicago mob has an interest in the situation and strongly suspects the individual who perpetrated the killing. So they have one of their lawyers contact Nolan, because they think he can defuse the situation before it gets way out of hand. Both of these are really fast-paced, light reads – just what I needed.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 10, 2022 22:24:01 GMT -5
Shards of Earth by Adrian Tchaikovsky
Breaking the Rothfuss Rule for book club... It's a pretty good Space Opera.. good world building, fun characters, and has some bits to make you think in it... there's definitely some analogues to the current political situation in the US. Not a huge part of the story by any stretch, but defintiely there.
Big, scary, unknowable aliens seem to be the thing right now, (the set up here reminded me very much of David Weber's 'Safehold' series, though the similarities ended very quickly).. I definitely like the diversity in the universe, too. The Star Trek model of humans-with-bumpy-heads is fine for TV with a limited budget, but doesn't seem very realistic. (I know, aliens and realism.. but still..)
The main character, Idris, is pretty unique... as is that who concept of Intermediaries as a 'weapon'. The down side is the plot was pretty predictable...the book was laid out with what was going to likely happen early on, and it happened just as one would picture. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but does limit the tension some.
Happily, there was enough of a ending that you can read just this book, and be reasonably satisfied. I'll definitely at least check out the review for the 2nd one.
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Post by berkley on Oct 11, 2022 0:39:59 GMT -5
I'm glad to see Adrian Tchaikovsky mentioned here because he's one of many contemporary SF writers that have caught my eye but that I haven't read yet. I have a couple of his books on my "books of possible interest" list so something about them must have caught my attention, even if I can't remember what it was any more. This mixed review at least doesn't make me want to remove him from that list.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 11, 2022 6:46:32 GMT -5
It was a good enough book that I'm interested to read what looks like a long running fantasy series he by him. He's also got a different sci fi series that didn't sound bad.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Oct 15, 2022 12:01:02 GMT -5
Tough TenderMax Allan Collins, 2022 More goodness from Collins: another omnibus edition featuring two more novels in his series about the tough-as-nails, aging former professional thief Nolan that were originally published as Hard Cash and Scratch Fever in 1981 and 1982, respectively. The first one is another heist story, most similar to the first Nolan book, Bait Money. In fact, the manager of the bank that Nolan and his associates robbed robbed in that book reappears here: he recognizes Nolan in a restaurant that he now owns and manages now that he’s retired from the heist biz, and tells him that he’ll turn him in unless he – again robs that very same bank. Said bank manager realizes that he’s about to lose his job and wants to create his own golden parachute and run off with his alluring young mistress, who, Nolan learns, is really the femme fatale mastermind behind the whole plan. This is a really lean (about 150 pages), fast-paced story. The second book takes place about a year later; Nolan is getting ready to set up a new restaurant and night club in the Quad Cities, while his young pal and frequent accomplice Jon is now in a band playing gigs at rock clubs and bars in the greater eastern Iowa/western Illinois area. And it’s during one of those gigs that Jon recognizes – and is recognized by – Julie, the femme fatale from the preceding story, who now owns and runs a swanky club on the banks of the Mississippi River, which she bought from the ill-gotten gains from the bank heist that *spoiler alert* didn’t quite go as planned for Nolan and Jon. She realizes that she now has some loose ends to tie up, and this sets in motion a breakneck series of events for both Jon and Nolan and that night and over the next day. More than any of the others I’ve read in these omnibus editions so far, these two really read like a single novel.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 17, 2022 8:45:46 GMT -5
Rise of A Dynasty: The '57 Celtics by Bill Reynolds
I actually bought a DIFFERENT Celtics book to read to get me in the mood for basketball season, but this one jumped out at my at the library, and with Bill Russell's passing, and him being on the cover and all, I decided the other book could wait.
The was more about the historical context of the 1957 Celtics than anything about basketball... which was fine, but not really what I was looking for. The author had some cool quotes from Tommy Heinsohn and Red Auerbach, but Russell was definitely not the focus (despite being on the cover).
Not a huge amount of stuff in here I didn't already know, though it did make me wonder a bit more about The Hawks team in the late 50s... that might be worth a reading a book about some time
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 17, 2022 9:24:42 GMT -5
Rise of A Dynasty: The '57 Celtics by Bill Reynolds I actually bought a DIFFERENT Celtics book to read to get me in the mood for basketball season, but this one jumped out at my at the library, and with Bill Russell's passing, and him being on the cover and all, I decided the other book could wait. The was more about the historical context of the 1957 Celtics than anything about basketball... which was fine, but not really what I was looking for. The author had some cool quotes from Tommy Heinsohn and Red Auerbach, but Russell was definitely not the focus (despite being on the cover). Not a huge amount of stuff in here I didn't already know, though it did make me wonder a bit more about The Hawks team in the late 50s... that might be worth a reading a book about some time Just checked on a book about the Hawks and this popped up, wildfire2099: "Full Court: The Untold Stories of the St. Louis Hawks" by Greg Marecek www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/5459741-full-courtI'm guessing you've read "Go Up For Glory," right? Not about the celts, but one of the best sports books, let alone basketball books, I've ever read is "The City Game," by Pete Axthelm. Read it nearly 50 years ago, but it's still in print and just as relevant. He pairs the '69-'70 Knick season with the history of the Rucker League and NYC street ball in general. It was eye-opening and just so well written. Impossible to stop reading.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 18, 2022 10:52:06 GMT -5
So I'm ludicrously behind on reviewing books. But, whatcha gonna do? Chief Joseph the Flight of the Nez Perce: The Untold Story of an American Tragedy by Kent Nerburn
If you grow up in Idaho there are two things in history you are absolutely going to learn. Lewis & Clark and Chief Joseph and the Nez Perce War. I grew up with Chief Joseph as one of my heroes. But knowing what I know about how history was presented in the past, particularly in schools, I was interested in another view of the man and the fight between the Nez Perce and the U.S. military. One of the things that attracted me to this book was that Nerburn did extensive interviews with tribal members on both the Nez Perce Reservation in Idaho and The Chief Joseph (Wallowa) Band that is located on the Colville Indian Reservation in North-East Washington. While Nerburn didn't get in to extensive detail, it's clear that the two groups view Joseph and his legacy very differently. And rightly so. The book gives a brief general history of the Nez Perce becoming increasingly detailed after contact with the white man. There's a fairly extensive look at the Treaty of Walla Walla. This is very important as Joseph and the other bands that took part in the Nez Perce War rejected the treaty and did not feel they were bound by it. The treaty itself was coercive and since each Nez Perce band acted independently was in no way binding on the non-signatories. And here is one of those places that has historically been glossed over when talking about Joseph. He was not the "Nez Perce leader." He was the camp chief of the Wallowa Band. And he really had no great heart to do anything but remain in the Wallowa Valley. Even among the non-treaty bands and during the flight, Joseph was not a main player. He was, again, a camp chief. He organized the camps. Made sure the women and children were cared for and were able to keep up in the flight and made sure there were provisions. Looking Glass, White Bird and Poker Joe were the war chiefs. They decided the route of the flight and when and where to fight (when given the opportunity). Joseph, as great war general, is largely an invention of the U.S. Army and of the media. Nelson Miles, in attempting to make a name for himself during the pursuit of the Nez Perce, decided that a great military leader had to have a great opponent. For whatever reason, that great opponent became Chief Joseph, rather than Looking Glass or White Bird. The newspapers picked up on this as well. Nerburn does a good job of looking at newspaper coverage of the war which was almost always inaccurate and varied wildly depending on the political persuasion of the publisher. And while the stated reason for the pursuit of the non-treaty bands was to return them to the reservation (which they'd never agreed to enter) and to prevent them from joining up with Sitting Bull in Canada, it was ultimately a big dick-waving exercise by the U.S. Army. Overall it's a great book that punctures a number of myths while still treating the subjects with dignity. But it's not without its issues. Nerburn appears to have a fairly significant hate for the Lakota. He makes some particularly egregious comments about the Red Cloud War and the Battle at the Little Big Horn talking about "gruesome murders and mutilations." While there were definitely mutilations, there were frequent cultural reasons for them, unlike the very similar mutilations by the U.S. Army. And characterizing the fight against invaders as murders was just about enough to make me toss the book. But, those issues aside, it's a well researched and very interesting read.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 18, 2022 11:44:16 GMT -5
Recently read Philip Roth's "Great American Novel," (1973), which is a giant satirical gallimaufry of baseball history with helpings of the post-war Red Scare, evangelistic proselytizing, rampant capitalism, allusions to American and British literature and a roster of characters worthy of Dickens. Roth is clearly out to have literary fun and there were vast swatches of this book that had me laughing out loud, especially Roth's subtle -- and not-so-subtle if you're a baseball aficionado -- rewritings of baseball legends, filled with counterparts to the Babe, Connie Mack, Bill Veeck, Eddie Gaedel and a score of others. His restyling of Gehrig's farewell alone is priceless. The scores of players who play in Roth's "other" major league, the Patriot League, are wonderful proof of Roth's affection for baseball names and nicknames, which sound as "basebally" as Pretzels Pezzullo, Spook Jacobs and Whammy Douglas. I'd defy even a knowledgeable fan not to think twice about whether Smokey Woden, General Douglas O. Oakhart, Mike Masterson, Bob Yamm and Luke Gofannon are real or invented. His absolute love for the myths and legends of baseball shines through on every page, but Roth is clear-eyed about the hypocrisies that wind around the history of baseball as surely as the harpoon lines lash Ahab to Moby-Dick. Yes, Roth bends a knee or two toward Melville, as well as other mainstays of your American Lit classes; Hawthorne takes it on the chin, but not as devastatingly as Hemingway does. Parodies are included, and they all ring true. Overstuffed and hilarious, "TGAN" careers from genre to genre, with Roth not only parodying American authors, but also 1940s sportswriting, classical epic, the Victorian novel (check the chapter titles) and political oratory with devastating satiric results. I'm guessing most Roth critics would not elevate this to the level of his best novels, but I loved reading a more playful Roth whose unabashed love of words, characters and baseball made this a joy to read. I will be digging into this again and again.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 18, 2022 13:18:35 GMT -5
Rise of A Dynasty: The '57 Celtics by Bill Reynolds I actually bought a DIFFERENT Celtics book to read to get me in the mood for basketball season, but this one jumped out at my at the library, and with Bill Russell's passing, and him being on the cover and all, I decided the other book could wait. The was more about the historical context of the 1957 Celtics than anything about basketball... which was fine, but not really what I was looking for. The author had some cool quotes from Tommy Heinsohn and Red Auerbach, but Russell was definitely not the focus (despite being on the cover). Not a huge amount of stuff in here I didn't already know, though it did make me wonder a bit more about The Hawks team in the late 50s... that might be worth a reading a book about some time Just checked on a book about the Hawks and this popped up, wildfire2099 : "Full Court: The Untold Stories of the St. Louis Hawks" by Greg Marecek www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/5459741-full-courtI'm guessing you've read "Go Up For Glory," right? Not about the celts, but one of the best sports books, let alone basketball books, I've ever read is "The City Game," by Pete Axthelm. Read it nearly 50 years ago, but it's still in print and just as relevant. He pairs the '69-'70 Knick season with the history of the Rucker League and NYC street ball in general. It was eye-opening and just so well written. Impossible to stop reading. I have not... I read Red and me a ways back... Upon reflection though, I bet that would be the best one to read...I'll have to grad it sometimes. Full Court was referenced as a source in the book I read, definitely going on this list . The City Game sounds very interesting indeed.. also going on this list!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 23:14:49 GMT -5
So this may be an odd request...I am looking for recommendations for examples of prose (doesn't matter if its short stories or novels) where classic martial arts play a significant role and are well described using words alone.
This is partly an rpg thing, where I think a significant skill in quality DMing is being able to paint effective word pictures. With traditional fantasy combat, I have no shortage of prose examples depicting fantasy battles with chain mail or plate and swords' and arrows, etc. to draw on and build my own vocabulary to articulate those scenes at the table easily. I have had enough input over the years to have the ability to get the output I want.
I am currently working on building that vocabulary for steampunk as my steampunk thread has indicated. But where I can fall short is when there is a martial arts based character. I really like martial arts characters and stories, but my exposure to them has been almost entirely via the screen and comic page where visuals, not words do the work of conveying the flow and maneuvers of a martial arts combat. I have read some prose in modern settings where a characters may know judo or some other martial art which makes them standout, but they rarely have the kind of martial art combats that I am looking to input, and its usually just an excuse to make a protagonist or antagonist look badass and stand out form other combatants. I am looking for something that is more authentic (maybe not so much that as has more verisimilitude) in conveying the back and forth interplay of a martial arts combat and describes via prose the maneuvers in such a battle in a way that doesn't devolve into names of techniques assuming the reader can then visualize that from their experience watching martial arts movies. Bonus points if it has a pre-modern settings where the combat doesn't involve firearms or more modern (or cinematic influenced) weapons and accessories (also more bonus points if its a good story to boot).
The examples I have come across in prose have been terrible at painting such word pictures or assume that by simply evoking a known visual aesthetic of martial arts the reader will fill in the blanks for the writer.
In the end I want to be able to add input, so my output can convey a believable and interesting word picture of a martial artist in combat that does more than he does a flying kick kind of like Bruce Lee and deals x amount of damage, or she does a bunch of dope monk stuff to get down the 40 ft wall and lands in a crouch in front of you...
I just can't seem to find the kind of stuff that will provide me the input I need, but I also don't have a good starting point. Most of the stuff I am aware of is in vintage paperbacks that are insanely prices and out of print, so not easily available.
-M
PS non-fiction is good too
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