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Post by rberman on Aug 6, 2018 8:38:14 GMT -5
I think he's trying to spank her, actually. Not sure if that's better or worse - well, slightly better I guess. Tickling would be seriously skeevy. Byrne reports that this Logan/Kitty sequence got a thumbs down from all the women that he polled, so he is accepting counsel and revising it to be about something else.
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Post by beccabear67 on Aug 6, 2018 16:59:29 GMT -5
Didn't get a thumbs down from me. It's weird when I see some of the explicit and violent stuff around in all mediums that anyone would worry about a cartoon panel spank from Wolverine, who I just can't/don't want to imagine being some sort of dirty old man figure. Obviously Kitty took it playfully but whatever, the line about phasing through adamantium gets lost now. Yet people will revere The Killing Joke as the greatest superhero comic with very graphic explicit content?
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Post by String on Aug 6, 2018 21:34:30 GMT -5
Wow, I've come across quite a number of comic forum boards over the years but this is a first for me.
Apparently now, to register on his board, you need to provide 'a non-anonymous email account'. No Hotmail, Yahoo, AOL, Compuserve, etc.
I admit that I'm not all that tech savvy because I've never heard of such till now and have no idea how to get (or why you may want) one either.
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Post by comicsandwho on Aug 7, 2018 0:39:37 GMT -5
He's done that for years.Basically, you need to have an e-mail account whose address is '[insert your real name here] dot com'. Not a free e-mail account, in other words. I had accounts with AOL,AT&T and Xfinity in the past. His big thing is no 'aliases'. Everyone agrees to use their first and last names, or they're rejected. To my knowledge, no one actually named 'Heywood Jablome' ever tried to sign up.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 7, 2018 7:34:02 GMT -5
He's done that for years.Basically, you need to have an e-mail account whose address is '[insert your real name here] dot com'. Not a free e-mail account, in other words. I had accounts with AOL,AT&T and Xfinity in the past. His big thing is no 'aliases'. Everyone agrees to use their first and last names, or they're rejected. To my knowledge, no one actually named 'Heywood Jablome' ever tried to sign up. Sounds like a nutty protocol just to sign up and talk comic books.
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Post by badwolf on Aug 7, 2018 9:58:12 GMT -5
Sounds like a good way to avoid trolls.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 7, 2018 10:35:58 GMT -5
I am, sort of, registered at the Byrne Forum, as I using an old e-mail account that's in my partner's name provided by a local telecom operator (even though we don't even have the same surname, because we're common law spouses). I say sort of, because I only ever posted there about 4 or 5 times many many years ago, mainly to ask questions in the 'Buy, Sell, Trade' thread, and I forgot my password at one point and as I recall the process to reset it and reacquire posting privileges was really complicated and I just gave up. All that said, I have to say that I can't fault the Forum's restrictive admission requirements, because it's Byrne's personal site and he can run it any way he sees fit. If he finds limiting the pool of members preferable for whatever reason, if for no other reason than reducing his day-to-day stress (by keeping out trolls, as badwolf observed), that's his right.
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Post by comicsandwho on Aug 7, 2018 13:02:25 GMT -5
This goes back to Byrne's experience hosting chats, and a message board, on the old AOL, and experiencing 'the great unwashed' of internet message boards.
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Post by String on Aug 7, 2018 15:29:11 GMT -5
I won't begrudge the man over how he runs his own site. Same with his opinions, I may not agree with some or all of them but given his resume and legacy within the industry, I think he's earned the right to be cranky or cantankerous or however he so chooses to be.
That being said, this requirement does seem a tad extreme to me. I don't have this type of account and I'm not so sure I want some extra address account just for the singular purpose of joining one specific forum board to discuss comics.
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Post by beccabear67 on Aug 7, 2018 15:50:04 GMT -5
I've met some musicians that are very you might say flinty and short in patience. Some are New York flinty and others from experiences with music industry people and fanatical type fans wanting something out of them, and one even both I guess. Most have another side, I've seen the same people be caring, generous and patient under the right circumstances. Sometimes people who are at a high level of 'performance' let's say in one area might be a bit deficient seeming in another area, I mean look at the rock stars with the cliched sex and drugs to the point of seriously fubar. So if you find some artist/musician/author you admire and they are not what you wanted or expected, or you don't agree with them on stuff, yet some others are admirable and friendly to you, that's still you bringing that or wanting something from them.
Yeah, it's his turf as host, you are only a potential guest. I remember a SF author who was really out there to me, it blew my mind, very strange ideas in all kinds of ways, but also pretty interesting that someone could be so different... like stuff about women aren't real people. So out there you really couldn't even argue or find a place to start, so I guess he went on to his grave not knowing what I thought about him, but the stories were interesting, kind of like an album I have by a group called Tripsichord Music Box. I found the lyrics in the songs really cosmic and wild and fun... turns out it was a lot of devout Mormon stuff! I didn't know, but now I know I've neither been converted nor enjoy the songs less. Same happened with a couple artists with Scientology stuff in their music, or even Steve Ditko with his Randian philosophizing and whatnot. I'd have been cool with it, I'm not going to be converted or convert them so why argue?
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Post by comicsandwho on Aug 7, 2018 16:59:21 GMT -5
I've met some musicians that are very you might say flinty and short in patience. Some are New York flinty and others from experiences with music industry people and fanatical type fans wanting something out of them, and one even both I guess. Most have another side, I've seen the same people be caring, generous and patient under the right circumstances. Sometimes people who are at a high level of 'performance' let's say in one area might be a bit deficient seeming in another area, I mean look at the rock stars with the cliched sex and drugs to the point of seriously fubar. So if you find some artist/musician/author you admire and they are not what you wanted or expected, or you don't agree with them on stuff, yet some others are admirable and friendly to you, that's still you bringing that or wanting something from them. Yeah, it's his turf as host, you are only a potential guest. I remember a SF author who was really out there to me, it blew my mind, very strange ideas in all kinds of ways, but also pretty interesting that someone could be so different... like stuff about women aren't real people. So out there you really couldn't even argue or find a place to start, so I guess he went on to his grave not knowing what I thought about him, but the stories were interesting, kind of like an album I have by a group called Tripsichord Music Box. I found the lyrics in the songs really cosmic and wild and fun... turns out it was a lot of devout Mormon stuff! I didn't know, but now I know I've neither been converted nor enjoy the songs less. Same happened with a couple artists with Scientology stuff in their music, or even Steve Ditko with his Randian philosophizing and whatnot. I'd have been cool with it, I'm not going to be converted or convert them so why argue? I think my perception of Ditko...and of how others perceived Ditko...was tinged not long before his death, by posts on a certain Facebook group. People posted Ditko' hand-written responses to their letters. Almost all of them were a terse sentence or two, an acknowledgment of the fan's question, but not a lot of substance.(Someone might have asked about Spider-Man, and he'd espond 'I prefer to move forward, not dwell on the past', or say that he just regarded the comics he drew as a job, with no 'emotional connection'...and maybe throw in a Randism if he was inclined to add a sentence. The group members were in awe of having anything handwritten and signed by the man himself. Even though his responses were the slightest shade of acknowledgment above 'ignored' or 'insulted'(more like Ditko felt any question deserved a response, as perfunctory, non-commital, and vague as possible). It fits in with various other stories 'I met/spoke to/contacted (name of admired celebrity who acted like a prick)...and it was SO life-changing!' While I respect his contribution to comics history, his drawing style left me cold...and the little he showed of himself elsewhere left me colder.
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Post by beccabear67 on Aug 7, 2018 22:55:26 GMT -5
I've heard Ditko did some fairly batty cartoons for men's magazines alongside the comics. I saw the British tv documentary where a fan went to NYC to meet him a few years ago, but even though I do like many, maybe even all of his comics (I also like Gilbert Hernandez comics for a few of the same reasons) I'd never cared about meeting him or even writing. I knew someone who knew Byrne from art school at one time, and though he was in contact with Mr. Byrne I never tried to use him to make contact or get art or anything signed. I still have no real interest in that but I do really like and admire the comic books. I did actually have a Byrne sketch and a couple signed things, I guess they were around here because he briefly lived here, but I didn't keep them (wish I had kept the Charlton Bullseye magazine though, but not so much because it was signed). So never 'met', that doesn't really mean anything to me, but definitely interesting to read his thoughts and maybe contribute my own. Definitely in awe of his skill! I could've met Gilbert H. once and something else came up and I couldn't make that scene, oh well. All I could've said is how I really enjoyed this and that like any fan, Gil Kane once said fans can't help not being able to interact on an equal level really, possibly true too for fellow artists who were/are fans, I imagine Byrne himself not feeling equal to some of the artists he admired the most and I think he has said as much a couple times that I saw.
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Post by Confessor on Aug 7, 2018 22:59:14 GMT -5
I think my perception of Ditko...and of how others perceived Ditko...was tinged not long before his death, by posts on a certain Facebook group. People posted Ditko' hand-written responses to their letters. Almost all of them were a terse sentence or two, an acknowledgment of the fan's question, but not a lot of substance.(Someone might have asked about Spider-Man, and he'd espond 'I prefer to move forward, not dwell on the past', or say that he just regarded the comics he drew as a job, with no 'emotional connection'...and maybe throw in a Randism if he was inclined to add a sentence. Ditko could've not responded to fan mail at all. He was under absolutely no obligation to do so. Just because you dug his Spider-Man comics or whatever, doesn't mean he owes you dinner or something! I'm sure he was a busy guy and answering letters takes a fair bit of time. I think it's lovely that he actually bothered to write back to some people, especially since he was a very private individual. The examples of his letters I've seen online since his death weren't terse or rude at all. They were just succinct and to the point -- often with an accompanying piece of wisdom for the recipient to reflect upon (and no, it wasn't always Randian) -- but you could hardly expect him to write reams of stuff to everybody. Oh, and beccabear67, I thought I'd be the only forum member who owned records by Tripsichord Music Box!
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 8, 2018 4:51:50 GMT -5
To be perfectly honest, I find a person that never married nor had any kids and died alone at age 90 to have lived a sad life. Having a child or committing to a marriage or both , are signs that your spirit can reach out and love another person in a way that shows maturity and marks you as part of the human race. I suspect his life of seclusion and devotion to the Randian theory were tied together. I suspect that there will be a few here that will put me on blast for having that opinion. That's my take on his strange life.
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Post by beccabear67 on Aug 8, 2018 12:59:39 GMT -5
To be perfectly honest, I find a person that never married nor had any kids and died alone at age 90 to have lived a sad life. Having a child or committing to a marriage or both , are signs that your spirit can reach out and love another person in a way that shows maturity and marks you as part of the human race. I suspect his life of seclusion and devotion to the Randian theory were tied together. I suspect that there will be a few here that will put me on blast for having that opinion. That's my take on his strange life. I don't know enough about him to guess why that might have been, there's lots people at a distance can't know. I remember someone who claimed to be truly asexual, he had a lot of cats though so maybe got something like love from those furry purring things? I have enough trouble figuring myself out. After my fiancee died I thought I couldn't really love like that again, it hurt so much, I was 38 then... and I still struggle with fears about committing. I've known all my life I can't have kids though, a major sadness. Oddly every man I've been seriously involved with did not want them, basically opposites in that.
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