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Post by urrutiap on Apr 26, 2017 14:12:21 GMT -5
Issues 172-174
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Post by dbutler69 on Apr 26, 2017 14:57:57 GMT -5
I read up through Paul Smith's tenure on art; but, the 150s were about the pinnacle for me, too. After that, I felt Claremont was really starting to repeat himself. Most definitely. I've said that I felt he ran out of good ideas by 1984.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 15:10:37 GMT -5
Interesting.
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Post by brutalis on Apr 26, 2017 15:34:58 GMT -5
X-Men 98 through 101 by Claremont and Cockrum. My introduction straight from the comic book rack to the all-new X-Men with them being captured by the Sentinels and taken to the abandoned S.H.I.E.L.D. space satellite. Fighting robot duplicates of the original X-Men, outer space action with all of the team given moments to shine and finally culminating with the "death" of Marvel Girl and the birth of Phoenix.
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Post by String on Apr 26, 2017 16:31:49 GMT -5
Wow, what a tough question. There are so many great choices and stories, I really can't boil it down to just one. So here's a few:
Dark Phoenix is the pinnacle, without a doubt. 'Nuff Said
Not really a storyline per se, but the original Brood Saga which led into the quasi-sequel to Dark Phoenix (#162-176) The team in a space horror movie, their first meeting with the New Mutants, Rogue joins, Mastermind returns, Ororo goes mohawk (and takes a big step on her path as leader by becoming nominal leader of Morlocks) and a wedding no less. All wrapped up in terrific Paul Smith art.
The Asgardian Wars event (X-Men/Alpha Flight #1-2, New Mutants Special Edition #1, UXM Annual #9) A cool team-up with Alpha Flight and mutants in a fantasy setting.
The X-Cutioner's Song crossover event. I thought the base emotions involved here (anger, expectations, despair and disappointment, respect) made this event better overall. The trading cards helped too.
Fatal Attractions crossover. While it may have set up the awfulness of Onslaught for later, this event had tense drama, fierce action, and lasting consequences for some characters. Plus, perhaps one of the strongest views/looks at the Xavier/Magneto frenemy dynamic. (Really, Lobdell and Nicieza are so underappreciated. As Miller overshines everyone on DD, Claremont overshines all on X when this duo crafted some fine stories).
And for sheer scope, scale, effect, style, and lasting impact, Age of Apocalypse.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 26, 2017 18:34:09 GMT -5
Anything not written by Claremont. Yikes. How is it possible to be a fan of the X-Men without being a fan of Claremont? His dialogue was terrible. I prefer Grant Morrison or Joss Whedon over the overwritten pages that Claremont produced.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 26, 2017 19:13:31 GMT -5
Yikes. How is it possible to be a fan of the X-Men without being a fan of Claremont? His dialogue was terrible. I prefer Grant Morrison or Joss Whedon over the overwritten pages that Claremont produced. Sometimes I'm amazed that you and I are friends
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Post by zilch on Apr 26, 2017 19:47:53 GMT -5
I was going to say Factor Three or the first 11 issues, but let's go with the Thomas/Adams Sentinel story.
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Post by Randle-El on Apr 26, 2017 21:38:11 GMT -5
I've always felt that the X-Men were strongest in their aftermaths. The Dark Phoenix Saga was impressive, but how the team coped after the fact, fully feeling the weight of the loss like real grieving humans -- that defined the team for me. Or the aftermath to the X-Cutioner's Song, where Jubilee takes Professor X rollerblading, or whichever event it was that had Kitty reading to a dying Ilyana in the aftermath. Powerful stuff. Wow, it's like I could have written this post. :-) The Jubilee/Prof X rollerblading issue and the death of Illyana were two of my favorite issues. And that's pretty notable considering that I think that there wasn't too much that I liked about the X-Men after Claremont's departure. And the post-Dark Phoenix issues were also some of my favorites as well. In particular, the issue where Kitty defends the X-Mansion against the N'Garai demon, and the story when the X-Men have to rescue their loved ones from Dr. Doom and Arcade, and Storm gets turned into a living statue. I think there was something powerful in the way Storm was brought to her senses after she started turning into sort of a Dark Phoenix version of herself by remembering what happened to Jean.
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Post by tingramretro on Apr 27, 2017 3:05:24 GMT -5
Yikes. How is it possible to be a fan of the X-Men without being a fan of Claremont? His dialogue was terrible. I prefer Grant Morrison or Joss Whedon over the overwritten pages that Claremont produced. He wanders in, to be confronted by dialogue out of a nightmare. Purple prose, relentless and unyielding, hammering deep into his mind, crushing his critical sensibilities. It chills him, heart and soul...
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Post by Mormel on Apr 27, 2017 7:51:00 GMT -5
Then the Brood saga (#154-157 and 162-166). A very creepy and exciting take on the Alien movies. Not really a storyline per se, but the original Brood Saga which led into the quasi-sequel to Dark Phoenix ( #162-176) The team in a space horror movie, their first meeting with the New Mutants, Rogue joins, Mastermind returns, Ororo goes mohawk (and takes a big step on her path as leader by becoming nominal leader of Morlocks) and a wedding no less. All wrapped up in terrific Paul Smith art. I find it difficult to choose one particular storyline, but the Brood Saga is definitely up there. Unlike most members here, my favourite X-Men issues are not from the late seventies, but rather from the early to mid eighties, when Kitty was first on the team. To me, her inclusion made the X-Men a bit more light-hearted, even if there were plenty of dark issues (like the ones featuring D'Spayre or Belasco). It's telling that her removal from the book (as well as Nightcrawler's) coincided with the Mutant Massacre and the shift toward "grim and gritty" stories. There are two double-page spreads by Cockrum in the Brood Saga that really wowed me; the first is when the Brood Acanti ship swallows the already quite large Starjammers' ship, and the second is when the X-Men see the giant Acanti corpse that serves as the Brood's city on their home planet. There are also so many nice character moments and development, like Storm's distress at being far away from Earth, Cyclops reconciling with his father, and Kitty and Peter acknowledging their feelings toward each other. And not to mention Logan walking in on Kurt praying, and the little conversation that follows between them. And note that the conclusion of the Brood Saga precedes Aliens (and the concept of there being a 'Xenomorph' [sorry RR, I know you hate the term] hive society with a queen at its lead) by three years!
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Post by shaxper on Apr 27, 2017 13:48:45 GMT -5
X-Men 98 through 101 by Claremont and Cockrum. My introduction straight from the comic book rack to the all-new X-Men with them being captured by the Sentinels and taken to the abandoned S.H.I.E.L.D. space satellite. Fighting robot duplicates of the original X-Men, outer space action with all of the team given moments to shine and finally culminating with the "death" of Marvel Girl and the birth of Phoenix. This was the first really strong X-Men storyline, as far as I'm concerned, even though it got a bit messy and unfocused aboard that space platform. The pinnacle for me though was the beginning of #98 -- the first time Claremont gave the team downtime and took the opportunity to explore them as full characters, enjoying New York City at Christmas until all hell decided to break loose. We had Scott and Jean enjoy their first kiss while Lee and Kirby ogled from the sidelines, as well as Kurt and Peter trying to pick up women in the most adorable of ways.
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Post by brutalis on Apr 27, 2017 15:09:06 GMT -5
X-Men 98 through 101 by Claremont and Cockrum. My introduction straight from the comic book rack to the all-new X-Men with them being captured by the Sentinels and taken to the abandoned S.H.I.E.L.D. space satellite. Fighting robot duplicates of the original X-Men, outer space action with all of the team given moments to shine and finally culminating with the "death" of Marvel Girl and the birth of Phoenix. This was the first really strong X-Men storyline, as far as I'm concerned, even though it got a bit messy and unfocused aboard that space platform. The pinnacle for me though was the beginning of #98 -- the first time Claremont gave the team downtime and took the opportunity to explore them as full characters, enjoying New York City at Christmas until all hell decided to break loose. We had Scott and Jean enjoy their first kiss while Lee and Kirby ogled from the sidelines, as well as Kurt and Peter trying to pick up women in the most adorable of ways. Agreed! It was fun seeing the team bonding and building their friendships with little tidbits given here and there throughout the story-line giving them more depth of character. It was 98 that grabbed my full attention and pulled me into wanting to continue with the team. And Cockrum was hitting it out of the ballpark with his art making the merry mutants individualistic and stylish. Claremont hadn't as yet gone off the deep end with too much of making them "his own" so it all felt more real and fresh than later on when he was more prolific with his authoritative writing.
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Post by james on Apr 27, 2017 15:18:07 GMT -5
Ive said it once and ill say it again. 125-128 Mutant X or as i like to call it The Proteus saga.
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Post by coke & comics on Apr 28, 2017 3:47:30 GMT -5
God Loves, Man Kills
Unless you just want to count Claremont's entire run. Then.. that.
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