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Post by Icctrombone on May 17, 2017 12:19:00 GMT -5
I've meet and had Starlin sign many of my books. He's a class act and it's a shame he was drawn into this nonsense. CCG should have paid him. Period. Why? Read Starlin's account again The CGC representative never saw Starlin sign anything. They witnessed nothing. Therefore they didn't get paid either for witnessing. All they know is Starlin is demanding personal information of some person, something no business should ever give out except to the police. If Starlin doesn't want to do further business with CGC, that's certainly fine. But I wonder what was Starlin's demeanor when asking CGC for that personel info. Starlin got ripped off by a fan. He's venting against an innocent party to that rip off. That's not being a class act Either I didn't read the account correctly or you didn't. Starlin said that the customer returned back with the witness and they both left after he gave him his books. He also said that CCG referred to the customer as their client implying that a business transaction was made. I don't think that the CCG guy went to Starlin's table for free. That scammy company should have made it right. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 17, 2017 12:24:48 GMT -5
Why? Read Starlin's account again The CGC representative never saw Starlin sign anything. They witnessed nothing. Therefore they didn't get paid either for witnessing. All they know is Starlin is demanding personal information of some person, something no business should ever give out except to the police. If Starlin doesn't want to do further business with CGC, that's certainly fine. But I wonder what was Starlin's demeanor when asking CGC for that personel info. Starlin got ripped off by a fan. He's venting against an innocent party to that rip off. That's not being a class act Either I didn't read the account correctly or you didn't. Starlin said that the customer returned back with the witness and they both left after he gave him his books. He also said that CCG referred to the customer as their client implying that a business transaction was made. I don't think that the CCG guy went to Starlin's table for free. That scammy company should have made it right. The 2nd time they went to Starlin's table he gave the fan the books already signed. CGC did not witness the signing. The fan could have been a client from other transactions, but they never actually witnessed Starlin signing that fan's book. That's what I'm reading. Whatever you think of the company, they were not part of the rip off and under no obligation to pay Starlin. |
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Post by Crimebuster on May 17, 2017 12:27:50 GMT -5
Just to clarify in case there's any confusion. There are two separate transactions that take place in this situation. One is between the fan and CGC. The other is between the fan and the creator. The creator and CGC don't actually have a transaction or even interact except in certain specific instances.
As an example, when I got my CGC signed book from Neal Adams, I met the CGC witness in advance, filled out the paperwork to have the book witnessed and then sent to CGC for grading an encapsulation, and paid him the fee. I then got in line for Neal Adams, with the witness accompanying me. I paid Neal Adams $10 for the signature. Afterwards, I gave the book to the witness. The CGC witness never so much as spoke with Neal Adams, much less had any part in any kind of monetary transaction. He was simply being paid by me to watch me talk to Neal. Which I realize sounds ridiculous to many people, but there it is.
I think there might be a misunderstanding in terms of what's actually happening in these cases. CGC is not making money from or off the creator directly, they are dealing exclusively with the fan (again, with some exceptions - some creators work out specific signing opportunities with CGC, but that is not the norm). The confusion is understandable, since it's a weird thing, especially when Starlin says "Other artists have always urged me to charge CGC for signatures and I finally agreed that I would do so." What I think he meant to say was "Other artists have always urged me to charge for CGC signatures," which is something I've seen many creators do - they will sign your books for free unless you have a CGC person with you, in which case they charge $5 or $10 or $15 because they assume you are going to flip the book and they want their cut. It sounds like this is what Starlin was doing, based on his description - he decided to charge fans who are getting books signed for the purposes of sending them to CGC, and in this case, the fan forgot to pay him.
This doesn't really have anything to do with CGC the company, though. Their witness is just being paid by the fan to watch. Whether or not Starlin does it for free or charges a million dollars doesn't affect CGC in any way - they are being paid a flat fee by the fan regardless of what Starlin is doing.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 17, 2017 12:28:11 GMT -5
Why did the CCG guy accompany the customer back to Starlin's table if not to get paid ? They're wrong and they know it.
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