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Post by Snikts and Stones on May 17, 2017 10:25:24 GMT -5
I'm currently (re)collecting the OHBotMU in TPB form and had a question. I was under the impression that the trades were in fact collected reprints of the original from '82-'83? I see that Angel, Jean and Cyke are in their X-Factor togs, Hank isn't furry, etc. so I think I'm missing something. Is volume 1 collected? What's the deluxe edition?
I'm guessing the "update" edition was for characters that changed, John Walker becoming USAgent etc. I'm asking here because I don't trust Wiki's and would rather confer with the experts.
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Post by tarkintino on May 17, 2017 11:39:44 GMT -5
I'm guessing the trades were just that--reprints. The monthlies were the originals, so your guess that the updates changed characters no longer matching their 1982-83 form is correct.
That was such a great series. For me, it was the best thing coming out of Marvel in the 1980s by far (even more than the first Hobgoblin arc in Amazing Spider-Man). As the company's character roster and stories grew to crazy levels, such a resource was just what was needed by fans.
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Post by Snikts and Stones on May 17, 2017 12:17:13 GMT -5
That was such a great series. For me, it was the best thing coming out of Marvel in the 1980s by far (even more than the first Hobgoblin arc in Amazing Spider-Man). As the company's character roster and stories grew to crazy levels, such a resource was just what was needed by fans. I devoured my friends copies, and loved seeing the characters as they were depicted just a handful of years before I met them, a jug eared, skinny Sam Guthrie, Hobgoblin Identity: unknown, etc. I really think one of Shooters better ideas (if it was indeed his) was to sic Gruenwald on this. I noticed that the pinup was in a lot of cases drawn by their current or better known artist.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 17, 2017 12:41:14 GMT -5
I'm currently (re)collecting the OHBotMU in TPB form and had a question. I was under the impression that the trades were in fact collected reprints of the original from '82-'83? I see that Angel, Jean and Cyke are in their X-Factor togs, Hank isn't furry, etc. so I think I'm missing something. Is volume 1 collected? What's the deluxe edition? I'm guessing the "update" edition was for characters that changed, John Walker becoming USAgent etc. I'm asking here because I don't trust Wiki's and would rather confer with the experts. If you are talking the multi-volume color tpb reprint, then, yes, that was taken from the update, not the original series. There is an Essential Official handbook of the Marvel Universe, from the black & white Essential line. That reprints the original entries, in black & white. It was then followed by the same, with the updated version. Quite frankly, I always preferred the original. The bulk of the artwork was done on a larger scale and it felt a bit livelier. It left a ton of stuff out, though. I still prefer the original Who's Who of the DC Universe to OHotMU. It was more engaging and wider reaching. Also, when both started a loose-leaf format, the Marvel one was dull as dishwater, with the same standard figure poses, like a book of police mugshots, while DC used it to create full pin-ups, with the info on the back. Fairly reflective of the state of the two companies, editorially, at the time.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 17, 2017 12:42:20 GMT -5
That was such a great series. For me, it was the best thing coming out of Marvel in the 1980s by far (even more than the first Hobgoblin arc in Amazing Spider-Man). As the company's character roster and stories grew to crazy levels, such a resource was just what was needed by fans. I devoured my friends copies, and loved seeing the characters as they were depicted just a handful of years before I met them, a jug eared, skinny Sam Guthrie, Hobgoblin Identity: unknown, etc. I really think one of Shooters better ideas (if it was indeed his) was to sic Gruenwald on this. I noticed that the pinup was in a lot of cases drawn by their current or better known artist. It was Gruenwald's idea.
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Post by Snikts and Stones on May 17, 2017 12:57:46 GMT -5
I'm currently (re)collecting the OHBotMU in TPB form and had a question. I was under the impression that the trades were in fact collected reprints of the original from '82-'83? I see that Angel, Jean and Cyke are in their X-Factor togs, Hank isn't furry, etc. so I think I'm missing something. Is volume 1 collected? What's the deluxe edition? I'm guessing the "update" edition was for characters that changed, John Walker becoming USAgent etc. I'm asking here because I don't trust Wiki's and would rather confer with the experts. If you are talking the multi-volume color tpb reprint, then, yes, that was taken from the update, not the original series. There is an Essential Official handbook of the Marvel Universe, from the black & white Essential line. That reprints the original entries, in black & white. It was then followed by the same, with the updated version. Quite frankly, I always preferred the original. The bulk of the artwork was done on a larger scale and it felt a bit livelier. It left a ton of stuff out, though. I still prefer the original Who's Who of the DC Universe to OHotMU. It was more engaging and wider reaching. Also, when both started a loose-leaf format, the Marvel one was dull as dishwater, with the same standard figure poses, like a book of police mugshots, while DC used it to create full pin-ups, with the info on the back. Fairly reflective of the state of the two companies, editorially, at the time. That's what I thought, I have the 10 volume color, but looks like different art. it's not a big deal I was curious. I agree completely with your opinion of the loose leaf edition from I think the early 90's? Thanks for the input!
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 15:50:16 GMT -5
I had the complete set and I've foolishly sold them to guy who wanted it so badly and I wished I hadn't done it. It was an invaluable information of all Marvel Characters at that point of time.
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Post by Snikts and Stones on May 17, 2017 16:05:58 GMT -5
I had the complete set and I've foolishly sold them to guy who wanted it so badly and I wished I hadn't done it. It was an invaluable information of all Marvel Characters at that point of time. It was (is) such a great resource, even with all the changes that have happened, the Marvel depicted in those volumes were MY Marvel!
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 18:09:49 GMT -5
I had the complete set and I've foolishly sold them to guy who wanted it so badly and I wished I hadn't done it. It was an invaluable information of all Marvel Characters at that point of time. It was (is) such a great resource, even with all the changes that have happened, the Marvel depicted in those volumes were MY Marvel! I've completely agree with you and it's was my Marvel too. No questions about it.
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Post by Confessor on May 17, 2017 18:26:36 GMT -5
I never owned an issue of the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe (or Who's Who in the DC Universe, for that matter), but some friends of mine had a full set of both. I thought they were interesting and I often perused them whenever I was round my friends' house, but I never had any interest in spending my own money on them. Like, I always thought that it was a waste of funds that could otherwise be spent on actual comics.
I did own the Marvel Super-Heroes Roleplaying Game though and loved reading all the character stats in the handbooks for that. So, I guess that was my version of the OHOTMU.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 17, 2017 18:30:10 GMT -5
I bought the originals back in the day...both Marvel Handbook and Who's Who. But I was also the kid who would read the encyclopedia.
Now with the interweb they are pretty much obsolete. Like encyclopedias.
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Post by Snikts and Stones on May 17, 2017 18:56:45 GMT -5
I bought the originals back in the day...both Marvel Handbook and Who's Who. But I was also the kid who would read the encyclopedia. Now with the interweb they are pretty much obsolete. Like encyclopedias. Hahaha, I was in the same boat. Any reference material I inhaled.
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Post by The Captain on May 17, 2017 20:11:28 GMT -5
I have a complete set of the originals, the deluxe update, and the series of handbooks they did a few years ago, as well as the Iron Manuals, Encyclopedia Mythologica, and all of the other handbook-style releases Marvel has made over the past decade. Sure, some of the information is dated just as the book is being published, and with the internet, they're really not necessary, but I just love sitting there and reading about obscure characters that I might otherwise never think to look up on the interwebs.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 17, 2017 20:39:33 GMT -5
I never owned an issue of the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe (or Who's Who in the DC Universe, for that matter), but some friends of mine had a full set of both. I thought they were interesting and I often perused them whenever I was round my friends' house, but I never had any interest in spending my own money on them. Like, I always thought that it was a waste of funds that could otherwise be spent on actual comics. I did own the Marvel Super-Heroes Roleplaying Game though and loved reading all the character stats in the handbooks for that. So, I guess that was my version of the OHOTMU. I originally picked up the first series to use the poses for creating my own characters. It gave you a nice selection across the issues. I also used to read encyclopedias. We had a World Book set that had nicely formatted articles, especially about the various wars, presidents, the space program, aviation history and similar things. We were a family of 5, with one bathroom. I got up early to beat the rush and would have time on my hands while I waited for the rest to catch up, before we went to school. I used to pick out a volume and thumb through it until an article caught my eye and started reading. i still recall stumbling across a cutaway diagram of some of the sections of the Maginot Line, thinking it put the Navarone fortress to shame, in the Guns of Navarone. Then I read the article about how the Germans were able to bypass it, by going through Belgium and Holland. Still looked cool, though. I still prefer a World Book over Wikipedia or any other on-line source. The material is less questionable and the search required more ingenuity. My history teacher used to assign a set of 100 questions, which you had to find answers and cite the references you used to find them. I was able to find 80% with that home encyclopedia set. Now if I googled it, it would take less time; but, I'd probably have a higher percentage of errors. And possibly some links to porn sites.
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Post by tingramretro on May 18, 2017 4:05:31 GMT -5
I'm currently (re)collecting the OHBotMU in TPB form and had a question. I was under the impression that the trades were in fact collected reprints of the original from '82-'83? I see that Angel, Jean and Cyke are in their X-Factor togs, Hank isn't furry, etc. so I think I'm missing something. Is volume 1 collected? What's the deluxe edition? I'm guessing the "update" edition was for characters that changed, John Walker becoming USAgent etc. I'm asking here because I don't trust Wiki's and would rather confer with the experts. The original series from '82-83 ran for 15 issues, with the majority of entries being only one page each. The Deluxe Edition from '85-86 ran for 20 issues, with most of the updated entries expanded to two or three pages, plus obviously a lot of new entries. The Deluxe Edition was then reprinted as a series of trades, but in the meantime, X-Factor had been launched, and the entries for Angel, Beast and Cyclops (which had appeared in issues released before X-Factor #1) had to be given updated artwork for the trades since the original entries had shown Beast in his furry form and Angel and Cyke in new costumes which, in the event, they never actually wore in the comics.
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