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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 7, 2017 11:50:04 GMT -5
Though this may not fit exactly with the spirit of the question, there are a number of classic artists currently working in comics if you count newspaper strips:
Eduardo Barreto drew The Phantom strip in 2011 and stopped only due to his passing. Paul Ryan followed and sadly passed away in 2012. Currently, the strip is being penciled by Terry Beatty.
Joe Staton has been drawing Dick Tracy for a little while now.
Joe Giella (who may be the earliest Batman artist still with us) drew Mary Worth up until last year.
Larry Lieber and Alex Saviuk pencil and ink Spider-Man respectively.
Also; I suspect that Jose Luis Garcia Lopez is still DC's house artist (if they still have those). If not, I still come across his artwork when I see new Superman/Batman coloring books, T-Shirts, candy, etc. So when it comes to how the majority of the public see these characters, it's quite possible that they're envisioning Lopez's version of these characters rather than the styles employed by those who draw the comics today.
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Post by MDG on Jul 7, 2017 13:12:56 GMT -5
Though this may not fit exactly with the spirit of the question, there are a number of classic artists currently working in comics if you count newspaper strips:
Eduardo Barreto drew The Phantom strip in 2011 and stopped only due to his passing. Paul Ryan followed and sadly passed away in 2012. Currently, the strip is being penciled by Terry Beatty. Beatty's doing the Sunday--Mike Manley does the daily. Beatty's also writing and drawing Rex Morgan and Manley's drawing Judge Parker. June Brigman's drawing Mary Worth. I got to imagine that a steady, predictable gig like a newspaper strip is a godsend to a lot of these artists who like to draw comics but don't want to be at the mercy of what's "hot."
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 7, 2017 13:46:05 GMT -5
Though this may not fit exactly with the spirit of the question, there are a number of classic artists currently working in comics if you count newspaper strips:
Eduardo Barreto drew The Phantom strip in 2011 and stopped only due to his passing. Paul Ryan followed and sadly passed away in 2012. Currently, the strip is being penciled by Terry Beatty. Beatty's doing the Sunday--Mike Manley does the daily. Beatty's also writing and drawing Rex Morgan and Manley's drawing Judge Parker. June Brigman's drawing Mary Worth. I got to imagine that a steady, predictable gig like a newspaper strip is a godsend to a lot of these artists who like to draw comics but don't want to be at the mercy of what's "hot." I'm not sure if this applied to all artists during the 30's/40's/50's but I do know that quite a few creators saw comics as merely a stepping stone to getting work in the big times - newspapers.
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Post by Rob Allen on Jul 7, 2017 15:08:35 GMT -5
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Post by Randle-El on Jul 7, 2017 22:41:22 GMT -5
This might be blasphemous , but I think the artists of today are much better than the ones of yesteryear. There are a few exceptions, but the books being released now have really talented people. I think only Adams and Kirby ( because of his larger than life layouts) would compete. I don't know that I would necessarily use the word "better" as that's a bit vague. But I would argue that modern comic book artists have to work to a different set of standards that didn't exist in the earlier days. Today's artists usually can't do more than one book a month, and even then they sometimes need a fill-in or have trouble making deadlines. I would say a lot of that has to do with modern readers expecting more detail out of the artwork. In prior eras, you could get away with having no backgrounds or minimal backgrounds, just figure work with people fighting, etc. Interior pages were mostly panel pages, not big double page spreads or splash pages. I remember the first time I looked at Jack Kirby's work on early issues of the Avengers, and was surprised at how simple the art was. That's not to say that it wasn't good or that it didn't reflect talent or skill -- it's just indicative of how comics were different. Modern comic book readers today expect detailed, highly rendered artwork that is time consuming. It seems like guys like Art Adams, George Perez, and John Byrne had a big influence on the Image guys, who in turn influenced a lot of the artists we are seeing today that have similarly detailed art styles. And given the huge popularity the Image guys had, it's no surprise that their fingerprints are all over the look of modern comics. Now that being said -- I would also argue that another difference compared to the old days, at least within superhero comics, is a greater stylistic diversity. Sure, there was diversity in the past as well, but I would argue it was diversity within a genre. Whereas today we're increasingly seeing different genres. Whatever else you may think of their art, guys like Chris Samnee, Humberto Ramos, Chris Bachalo, Sean Gordon Murphy, Michael Lark, David Finch, Francis Manapul, and David Aja have wildly different styles. And with the success of Image and other non-big-two publishers, I think modern audiences are coming around to, and expecting, more artists to depart from the "traditional superhero comic art" look.
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 7, 2017 23:09:09 GMT -5
Just wanted to thank you for the great article - I had no idea he and Stan Lee have been working together for 67 years now!
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 12, 2017 1:40:33 GMT -5
As others said, a huge part of this question deals with the expectation of today's readers, the expectation of 'how many lines used for rendering on every figure in every panel'.
every line takes time. A 1987 Steve Rude page takes 1/3rd the physical labour (and therefore, time) than is demanded by a Finch page.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 12, 2017 7:43:14 GMT -5
...and yet all that detail adds nothing to the finished product. All it does in confuse the eye and muddle the composition. Give me the clean lines of a Rude or Toth or Kirby any ol' day. (Yes, I know that seems odd given how much I love George Perez, but he knows how to use detail to enhance, not obscure, his storytelling.)
Cei-U! I summon the aesthetic preference!
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Post by MDG on Jul 12, 2017 8:13:04 GMT -5
...and yet all that detail adds nothing to the finished product. All it does in confuse the eye and muddle the composition. Give me the clean lines of a Rude or Toth or Kirby any ol' day. (Yes, I know that seems odd given how much I love George Perez, but he knows how to use detail to enhance, not obscure, his storytelling.) Cei-U! I summon the aesthetic preference! Totally agree. "Detail" has been a red herring in comic art for a long time, but especially since the late silver age. I've seen plenty of art with a lot of little lines and excess rendering that gives no thought to composition, anatomy, or storytelling. "I try to get it simpler and simpler as time goes on... The rest is embroidery. When I'm in a rush, I use a lot of detail, but when I have time I try to keep it simple, and that takes time because you know it's eliminating and eliminating and eliminating and get it down to its essence." --Al Hirschfeld
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Post by Randle-El on Jul 12, 2017 13:13:03 GMT -5
Detail and heavy rendering doesn't have to mean bad composition and/or sequential storytelling. The two are not mutually exclusive. And for what it's worth -- while a lot of today's artists draw heavily from the super-rendered and and detailed school of drawing, as I mentioned there is enough diversity nowadays that artists with simpler line work are also doing well. I'm really enjoying the work of Chris Samnee these days, and his line work is fairly clean, lots of solid blacks for shadows without hatching or excessive lines, dynamic action shots without making the characters look like they are posing or flexing for the camera.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 12, 2017 15:40:35 GMT -5
George Perez has Been a legend for the last 30 years but the only time I really liked his "detail" was in the Avengers/ JLA crossover. Pretty much all other times, it was a distraction. How many bricks does he have to draw in the wall ?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 12, 2017 15:45:17 GMT -5
George Perez has Been a legend for the last 30 years but the only time I really liked his "detail" was in the Avengers/ JLA crossover. Pretty much all other times, it was a distraction. How many bricks does he have to draw in the wall ? All in all, it's just another brick in the wall.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Jul 14, 2017 20:50:50 GMT -5
I'll admit to liking Perez when inked by the likes of Jack Abel, who reduced the amount of detail. I loved his work in the 70s and 80s, but was getting jaded with it in the 90s to the point where the run with Busiek really started to grate with me. It felt like it was more and more of the same, faces, poses etc, but to be fair when you have a body of work like he does you've probably drawn the same scene a few times. Is it the modern audience, or editor that wants the superdetail, because if you look at some of the breakout talent lately there are quite a few doing great work with simpler styles. Samnee, Staples, David Lopez, Allred(sorry loatheswareluvskane) , Dillon(I'm well aware he aint new), and Francavilla come to mind.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 14, 2017 22:38:35 GMT -5
not a problem, my good man even Allred, like the stopped-clock, tells the right time twice a day.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 15, 2017 11:33:04 GMT -5
I'll admit to liking Perez when inked by the likes of Jack Abel, who reduced the amount of detail. I loved his work in the 70s and 80s, but was getting jaded with it in the 90s to the point where the run with Busiek really started to grate with me. It felt like it was more and more of the same, faces, poses etc, but to be fair when you have a body of work like he does you've probably drawn the same scene a few times. Is it the modern audience, or editor that wants the superdetail, because if you look at some of the breakout talent lately there are quite a few doing great work with simpler styles. Samnee, Staples, David Lopez, Allred(sorry loatheswareluvskane) , Dillon(I'm well aware he aint new), and Francavilla come to mind. I've always liked Perez, but moreso when I was younger (70s-80s.) Back then I loved detailed, highly-delineated art. Nowadays I lean more towards looser, "impressionistic" styles, like Miller or Colan. But yeah, I think it was that Avengers run where Perez started to lose some appeal with me, too--though I think it might also have had to do with the coloring they were using at the time. If there's one artist you don't want to over-color, it's Perez. Francavilla is great--I remember reading a creepy Batman arc that he drew and colored.
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