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Post by tarkintino on Jul 11, 2017 22:07:32 GMT -5
Totally agree, Empire Strikes Back adaption is a masterpiece It has not really aged at all. Still as beautiful and engaging as its first days on the stands. Now this is how you adapt the worlds spawned by 2001! 2010 ( Marvel Super Special #37) was exactly how 2001: A Space Odyssey should have been adapted in the 70s. At least we have the sequel handled properly, with the legendary Tom Palmer's "finishing" and inks so dominant, that he made Larry Hama's (and Joe Barney) typically bland art come alive as an adaptation where the characters have the movie's life and energy and the technology (devices, interior units and ships) actually mirror the film! Take a look at the following pages--    Yes, Tom Palmer made this fine adaptation his own, despite the layouts of Barney & Hama. The comic edits certain scenes, but the reader had no trouble following the comic as easily as the film, no to mention a respect for the source that as a comic, means the reader was in for a visual treat. |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 12, 2017 0:12:25 GMT -5
Now this is how you adapt the worlds spawned by 2001! 2010 ( Marvel Super Special #37) was exactly how 2001: A Space Odyssey should have been adapted in the 70s. At least we have the sequel handled properly, with the legendary Tom Palmer's "finishing" and inks so dominant, that he made Larry Hama's (and Joe Barney) typically bland art come alive as an adaptation where the characters have the movie's life and energy and the technology (devices, interior units and ships) actually mirror the film! Take a look at the following pages-- Yes, Tom Palmer made this fine adaptation his own, despite the layouts of Barney & Hama. The comic edits certain scenes, but the reader had no trouble following the comic as easily as the film, no to mention a respect for the source that as a comic, means the reader was in for a visual treat. Wow! I've simply got to get this. I'm a big fan of Arthur C. Clarke's Space Odyssey books and I love both films, so I really should've picked this up anyway. |
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 12, 2017 19:33:48 GMT -5
Wow! I've simply got to get this. I'm a big fan of Arthur C. Clarke's Space Odyssey books and I love both films, so I really should've picked this up anyway. Its worth every page. Very solid adaptation, and I doubt anyone can ever get enough of Tom Palmer's strong influence! |
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Post by MWGallaher on Jul 16, 2017 20:13:53 GMT -5
Some of the Dell movie adaptation choices mystify me, but none moreso than this:  I don't think Dell was aiming for much of an adult audience in 1962, and I can't imagine what kind of kid would have shelled out 15 cents for an adaptation of a 2 1/2 hour movie that he would probably have fallen asleep in, if he'd been dragged by Mom and Dad to the theater. Take a look at the start of IMDB's plot synopsis: "In Argentina, the family man Julio Madariaga is the patriarch of his family and considers his farm the paradise on Earth. One of his daughters, Luisa Desnoyers, has married the Frenchman immigrant Marcelo Desnoyers and they have one son, the playboy Julio, and one daughter, the gorgeous student of Sorbonne Chi Chi. His other daughter, Elena von Hartrott, has married the German Karl von Hartrott, and they have three sons: Heinrich, Gustav and Franz. In 1938, Heinrich returns from Germany for a family reunion and when he tells that he has joined the SS, the displeased Julio Madariaga has a heart attack and dies. When France is occupied by the Germans, the family reunites in Paris and Franz is the Nazi administrator in France. The alienated Julio has a studio where he paints, and has a love affair with Marguerite Laurier, the wife of the owner of a newspaper Etienne Laurier that is fighting in Belgium." Maybe this was some kind of test of their retailer returns system or something, because I can't imagine they expected this to sell to anyone. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 17, 2017 9:10:37 GMT -5
Some of the Dell movie adaptation choices mystify me, but none moreso than this: I don't think Dell was aiming for much of an adult audience in 1962, and I can't imagine what kind of kid would have shelled out 15 cents for an adaptation of a 2 1/2 hour movie that he would probably have fallen asleep in, if he'd been dragged by Mom and Dad to the theater. Take a look at the start of IMDB's plot synopsis: "In Argentina, the family man Julio Madariaga is the patriarch of his family and considers his farm the paradise on Earth. One of his daughters, Luisa Desnoyers, has married the Frenchman immigrant Marcelo Desnoyers and they have one son, the playboy Julio, and one daughter, the gorgeous student of Sorbonne Chi Chi. His other daughter, Elena von Hartrott, has married the German Karl von Hartrott, and they have three sons: Heinrich, Gustav and Franz. In 1938, Heinrich returns from Germany for a family reunion and when he tells that he has joined the SS, the displeased Julio Madariaga has a heart attack and dies. When France is occupied by the Germans, the family reunites in Paris and Franz is the Nazi administrator in France. The alienated Julio has a studio where he paints, and has a love affair with Marguerite Laurier, the wife of the owner of a newspaper Etienne Laurier that is fighting in Belgium." Maybe this was some kind of test to see of their retailer returns system or something, because I can't imagine they expected this to sell to anyone. But the cover alone was enough to make this issue fly off the newsstands. Right up there with this compelling issue:  |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 17, 2017 9:38:46 GMT -5
Logan's RunPublisher: Marvel Publication date: January, 1977 (#1) - May, 1977 (#5) Art: George Perez (pencils) & Klaus Janson (inks) Script: David Kraft (...) Next, is the "Carousel" scene. In the film, there's a decidedly spooky energy about the ceremony, from the face masks, to their ritualistic disrobing and "flight" to the alleged renewal. Perez replicates this, only using new, dramatic angles and keeps the attention on the masked, soon-to-be victims, but he--and Kraft's to-the-point script takes the reader right back to the film scene--  Below, the film wowed audiences with Logan & Jessica's discovery of the ivy-covered, post-apocalyptic Washington D.C., including being puzzled by headstone markings and (of course) the Lincoln Memorial. The comic used shorthand of impressive, single panel shot selection as a substitute of the grandeur of Michael Anderson's direction / Ernest Laszlo's cinematography, and again, not much is lost in translation-- I'm glad to see some love for Marvel's Logan's run. It didn't read as a film adaptation at all, it read as a new and exciting comic. I really, really enjoyed the adaptation of The empire strikes back, because it was beautifully illustrated and was pretty much the movie itself put on paper... but its pacing was that of a movie, not that of a comic. In that regard, the initial six-issue adaptation of Star Wars was closer to what a comic-book adaptation should be (by that i mean "an adaptation" rather than "a transposition"). Someone mentioned Dune earlier... that was indeed a remarkable adaptation. Sienkiewicz and Macchio took an unexpected approach to the material, but in hindsight it was probably the only one that could have worked to cram so much material in a few dozen pages: go minimalist. Extremely minimalist. Sienkiewicz succeeded in suggesting far more than he showed, which is a skill only great artists ever master; likewise, the dialog being kept to a minimum didn't sound as if large chunks of the story were skipped. The result is a beautiful book.  Just a few pages suffice to convey the immensity of the desert:  Few supporting characters are seen for more than a few images, but they make an impression:  The great worms are actually served by us not seeing them too often; they retain their aura of mystery and majesty:  Even iwhen page count is limited, a splash does wonders to properly set up a significant scene:  Truly one of the best of the Marvel Super Special series. |
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Post by berkley on Jul 18, 2017 0:00:03 GMT -5
Some of the Dell movie adaptation choices mystify me, but none moreso than this: I don't think Dell was aiming for much of an adult audience in 1962, and I can't imagine what kind of kid would have shelled out 15 cents for an adaptation of a 2 1/2 hour movie that he would probably have fallen asleep in, if he'd been dragged by Mom and Dad to the theater. Take a look at the start of IMDB's plot synopsis: "In Argentina, the family man Julio Madariaga is the patriarch of his family and considers his farm the paradise on Earth. One of his daughters, Luisa Desnoyers, has married the Frenchman immigrant Marcelo Desnoyers and they have one son, the playboy Julio, and one daughter, the gorgeous student of Sorbonne Chi Chi. His other daughter, Elena von Hartrott, has married the German Karl von Hartrott, and they have three sons: Heinrich, Gustav and Franz. In 1938, Heinrich returns from Germany for a family reunion and when he tells that he has joined the SS, the displeased Julio Madariaga has a heart attack and dies. When France is occupied by the Germans, the family reunites in Paris and Franz is the Nazi administrator in France. The alienated Julio has a studio where he paints, and has a love affair with Marguerite Laurier, the wife of the owner of a newspaper Etienne Laurier that is fighting in Belgium." Maybe this was some kind of test of their retailer returns system or something, because I can't imagine they expected this to sell to anyone. Maybe if they had had comic books in the 1920s it might have worked! (I'm assuming this is based on the same story as the Rudolf Valentino movie that was famous back then?) |
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Post by berkley on Jul 18, 2017 0:04:48 GMT -5
I might look out for the Dune and Empire comics. They sound and look like they might be fun, but I must say, most thing of this kind are just curiosities to me: I don't find they ever really adapte anything successfully. I don't think you could make a great Lord of the Rings comic, for example (no, I don't think the movies really worked either, though they were enjoyable for what they were).
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Post by rom on Jul 18, 2017 0:25:31 GMT -5
Again, fantastic thread. This is really bringing back a lot of great memories from my youth.
The 1967 novel Logan's Run (by William H. Nolan & George Clayton Johnson) was a true masterpiece; a futuristic sci-fi, dystopian road trip with a touch of then-topical late 1960's social commentary (without being preachy). However, unfortunately the film was a watered down P.O.S. - extremely inferior version of the novel. That being said, the George Perez-drawn comic book adaptation was amazing, and far superior to the crummy film (but not better than the book).
The '84 film Dune was an extremely weak (but at times interesting) attempted movie adaptation of the superb novel by Frank Herbert; I'm a huge David Lynch fan, so give him credit for at least trying to tackle the film. However, the movie was way too short & the effects too primitive to be an effective adaptation - not that great. However, the comic book adaptation was amazing, with great art by a true master of his craft, Bill Sienciewicz. For what it's worth, I've heard there's a far superior Dune sci-fi series adaptation (from the early 200X's).
2001: A Space Odyssey was incredible; never read the comic adaptation, but It looked worth reading - but not nearly as good as the movie.
I wasn't a huge fan of 2010 (the sequel), but the comic adaptation looks interesting.
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 18, 2017 0:33:54 GMT -5
Maybe this was some kind of test to see of their retailer returns system or something, because I can't imagine they expected this to sell to anyone. Oh, they expected it to sell, because that was era of adaptations of more than just sci-fi, horror, western and TV favorites. Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse had war and the SS as its backdrop, and war was certainly a popular film concept to adapt at a time when readers had more interest in and patience with adult themes. Quite the opposite of adaptations of the 70s-forward, where the subject had to be flashy, sci-fi-related or the kind of escapism associated with summer movies. |
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Post by berkley on Jul 18, 2017 0:41:27 GMT -5
I don't think Lynch's heart was ever in the movie. Even so, it had its moments. But on the whole it didn't work for me - or, I suspect, for Lynch himself.
I found the tv adaptation more faithful, but also killingly drab and lifeless - kind of the opposite problem to the Lynch film. I have heard that there was a later and superior adaptation of Children of Dune, haven't seen that one.
Sometimes it's relatively secondary failures that disappoint: I don't think any of the film or tv versions I've seen have gotten the Sardaukar quite right, for example. At least, none of them have impressed me the way they did in the book, even in their decline (as they were in the first novel).
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Post by MDG on Jul 18, 2017 8:44:38 GMT -5
Maybe this was some kind of test to see of their retailer returns system or something, because I can't imagine they expected this to sell to anyone. Oh, they expected it to sell, because that was era of adaptations of more than just sci-fi, horror, western and TV favorites. Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse had war and the SS as its backdrop, and war was certainly a popular film concept to adapt at a time when readers had more interest in and patience with adult themes. Quite the opposite of adaptations of the 70s-forward, where the subject had to be flashy, sci-fi-related or the kind of escapism associated with summer movies. Dell used to put out so many TV and movie adaptations, I often wondered if they had sales reps working with the studios to just keep the pipeline filled, even if an occasional property wasn't ideal. Dell also had the production and distribution organization to make pretty much anything profitable. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 18, 2017 10:59:52 GMT -5
A solid by-the-numbers adaptation with nice art that just dropped onto the stands out of nowhere in the summer of 1968.  |
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Post by Jesse on Jul 18, 2017 17:11:02 GMT -5
I haven't read the Steve Ditko Gorgo comics than Charlton Comics published in the '60s but have been looking for copies to read for awhile now. Not long ago IDW reprinted some of them in an interesting looking collection that I plan to ask about the next time I visit my LCS.  |
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 19, 2017 19:53:09 GMT -5
A solid by-the-numbers adaptation with nice art that just dropped onto the stands out of nowhere in the summer of 1968. According to Joseph Perry's review of the Gold Key King Kong, the Gold Key adaptation was written by Gary Poole, penciled by Giovanni Ticci and inked by the great Alberto Giolitti (chief artist for Gold Key's Star Trek & Beneath the Planet of the Apes). Perry points out how close the script was to the RKO film's screenplay, as well as a novelization of the film (published at the time), which makes this a must have for horror movie adaptations, as some (usually from Dell) were largely the movies in name only. I do recall the 1976 reprint (from Golden Press), but for some reason, never picked it up. Considering the talents involved, I'm motivated to buy a copy. |
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