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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 13, 2017 22:11:50 GMT -5
I'm one of those folks who refuses to give a dime in support of Card's work, but appreciate the recommendation. It was one of my wife's favorite sci-fi works before she learned of Card's homophobic activity and lobbying and won't touch his stuff any more either, but that's a personal choice and I don't hold anyone to my decisions on it. I agree 100%... I haven't purchased any of his stuff since he made his views public. Ender's Game is still an amazing book though, and can certainly be easily acquired at the library. My wife often says she just can't understand how someone can show the grasp of the human psyche he does in that book (and others of his early works) and be so horrid in real life.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 22:26:22 GMT -5
I too loved Caidin's Cyborg.
I really loved James P Hogan's Giants novels as well as his Proteus Operation. The Giants novels are based on the premise that we found a body on the Moon that belonged to an ancient race that lived on Minerva (the planet that broke apart & is now the asteroid belt). The Proteus Operation is a time travel novel that has WWII influenced by two factions from the future.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 13, 2017 22:46:55 GMT -5
Curse me, I was forgetting the most amazing SF I read in the past ten years: Spin, by Robert Charles Wilson. It's got enough high concepts for three novels, and yet is told at a brisk pace and is not that long a book. I will share the curse as I forgot it too. I liked the first one best also, but the whole trilogy is great in its own way. All three books are rather different from each other.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 13, 2017 23:11:31 GMT -5
Slam Bradley's must read SF from the 1940s (only one entry per author).
1984 by George Orwell . Simply one of the great novels of the 20th Century. The dystopia by which all others are judged.
Earth Abides by George R. Stewart . One of the great "end of the world" novels.
"First Contact" by Murray Leinster . Very good first contact between species of equivalent tech.
Foundation by Isaac Asimov . Published as a novel in 1951, the stories that make it up were from the 40s.
Martian Chronicles by Ray Bradbury . The vast majority of the stories in this one are from the 40s as well. Elegiac SF.
"Mimsey Were the Borogroves" by Henry Kuttner & C. L. Moore (Lewis Padgett) . How to describe this one without giving away the plot? Just suffice to say it is a beautiful story.
Orphans of the Sky by Robert Heinlein . Picking one Heinlein is like picking a favorite child. The two novellas that make up this one are one of the early and better examples of a "generation ship."
Slan by A. E. van Vogt . Mutant humans, Slans, must try to survive anti-Slan humans.
What Mad Universe by Fredric Brown . One of the early instances of alternate universes. I have no doubt Gardner Fox was familiar with this one.
"With Folded Hands" by Jack Williamson . Early and good example of robots replacing people.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 13, 2017 23:17:15 GMT -5
I'd like to add that "The Time Machine" [novel] by H.G. Wells, in terms of conceptual riches (which is what sci-fi is all about), has much more to offer than either of the film adaptions*. It's worth reading the original novel, for sci-fi appreciation, as much as in the horror genre, it's best to read Gaston Leroux alongside watching/enjoying Herbert Lom as the Phantom of the Opera. *The films left out certain significant elements which were rather powerful.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 13, 2017 23:24:46 GMT -5
I'd also like to add Cronos, written and directed by Guillermo del Toro, which helped to set his place in current genre-stardom. In Cronos, he took the vampire sub genre and made a wonderful sci-fi/horror sub-sub-genre film, without being a lacking-genitalia deconstructionist (as per Helena Bonham Carter's ex hubbie did in his abuse of Planet of the Apes).
From Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley onwards, since folks argue that she created the first true sci-fi novel, horror has been intermixed with sci-fi, as a 'spice on the meat'.
In Cronos, Guillermo del Toro respectfully chose to do the same.
Although ostensibly a 'vampire' film, it is in fact a sci-fi film.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 13, 2017 23:26:51 GMT -5
In the earlist expressions of graphic novels, even though it's not necessarily to my own taste, 'The First Kingdom' by Jack Katz should also to be enjoyed.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 13, 2017 23:55:58 GMT -5
Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers is a great read, even if it is militaristic propaganda of the worst kind. However, Paul verhoeven turned it into a delightfully subversive film, inspired in as much by his experiences as a child, in occupied Holland. Heinlein is great reading period and you have to mention stuff like A Stranger in a Strange Land. It was a hippie favorite, for very obvious reasons and seems at odds with something like Starship Troopers.
On the other end of the military sci-fi spectrum, from heinlein, is Joe Haldeman's The Forever War. Brilliant piece of work, informed by his experiences in Vietnam, as a combat engineer. Imagine a draft based on IQ, travelling at relativistic speeds, so when you return from a tour of duty, decades have passed on Earth and you don't recognize your home. It's very anti-war, getting into the dehumanization that accompanies training and seeing the other side as "the enemy" rather than living beings. He shows the alienation of combat veterans from society and how that alienation often pushes them back into the military. He also gets into a lot of ideas built around physics; but, at the heart of it, it's a human story. Later, he came back to his main character, in The Forever Peace and throws an interesting twist into things.
Alfred Bester is a name to try, with The Stars My Destination and The Demolished Man. Stars features Gully Foyle, a man who is shipwrecked and imprisoned, and becomes a sort of Count of Monte Cristo, seeking his revenge, involving teleporting and other sci-fi concepts. The Demolished Man features a murder mystery in a world of psychic detectives, where murder shouldn't be possible. It was one of the works that inspired the tv series Babylon 5, especially the Psi Corps.
For pure epic space opera, try the Lensman Saga, from EE "Doc" Smith (he was a chemist, who worked for a baking company, designing flavor mixes, while writing stories for the pulps). The series features a eugenics progect by two warring alien races that leads to a group of intergalactic peacekeepers and their opposition, a race of intergalactic pirates. george Lucas swiped much form it, for the more militaristic aspects of the Jedi, as well as the plot for the opening of Star wars, which mirrors that of the first Lensman novel, The Galactic Patrol. The Lensmen also influenced the Rangers of Babylon 5. Smith also wrote the Skylark series, about a space opera adventure hero.
CL Moore's Northwest Smith is another from the pulp/space opera era, with a smuggler hero, which had an influence on Han Solo. Along similar lines are the "planetary romances" by Leigh Brackett, and the work of her husband, Edmond Hamilton, who wrote the Captain Future stories. He also produced the Starwolf trilogy, about an intergalactic pirate who switches sides, which was the basis for the Japanese series, which was edited together into the MST3K favorite movies Fugitive Alien and Starforce: Fugitive Alien II.
Similarly, Harry Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat series, about an intergalactic con-man.
You have to read Ray Bradbury, especially The Martian Chronicles and Fahrenheit 451, as well as his short stories (such as The Electric Grandmother). I also recommend the Francois Truffault movie adaptation of Fahrenheit 451.
I also recommend Harlan Ellison's work, especially "A Boy and His Dog," "Repent Harlequin, Said the Tick-Tock Man;" "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream," and "The Prowler in The City at the Edge of the World." Also recommended are his Outer Limits episodes, "The Soldier" and "Demon With a Glass Hand," which James Cameron shamelessly ripped off, leading to a lawsuit and an acknowledgement at the end credits of the video editions.
Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide series is great sci-fi fun. The BBC tv version is decent, though hampered by budget. The film version is pretty good, if a bit uneven. Try the radio series, too.
Phillip K Dick's Do Android's Dream of Electric Sheep? Valis Trilogy, Man in the High Castle, his short stories
Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five
Theodore Sturgeon's More Than Human
For comics:
Adam Strange had a great series of science-based adventures and some fantastic art. The original Flash Gordon strips, from Alex Raymond, are more space fantasy/opera; but, thrilling adventure. Jack Kirby's Skymasters is a good one, as was the Gold Key Space Family Robinson. Tim Eldred's Grease Monkey is a nice homage to the great juvenile sci-fi books, like Heinlein's earlier work, while also mixing a nice bit of humor, with gorillas and humans serving on a starship. Christopher Moeller's Iron Empires books (Faith Conquers and Sheva's War) are fantastic pieces, about galactic empires threatened by parasitic lifeforms. Dan Dare has great space adventure and Ministry of Space, from Warren Ellis is a nice alternate history of the space race. There are some great Star Trek comics and the Babylon 5 comics from DC were quite good.
For TV: The Twilight Zone and The Outer Limits Lost in Space (the 1st season, more than anything else, especially the early episodes Star Trek (especially the original series) Babylon 5-great epic science fiction Farscape Quark-for some nice sci-fi comedy Red Dwarf-even better comedy and some really good sci-fi plots Blake's 7-Intergalactic freedom fighters in a guerrilla war. Doctor Who-classic stuff has some great sci-fi. plus some good old fashioned scary monsters. Keep a forgiving eye on the low budget special effects and monster suits. Their hearts were in the right place Battlestar Galactica (original)- early episodes are great space opera. Newer version has an excellent 9/11 and aftermath allegory, with some interesting sci-fi mixed in. Buck Rogers-good old fashioned space hero, with tongue in cheek; early episodes are the best. Space Rangers-Pretty good, criminally under-exposed syndicated tv series, from Pen Densham. Animation: Space Angel-"animation" is a stretch; but, great sci-fi stories, with the space faring troubleshooter; some art by Alex Toth. Jonny Quest-plenty of sci-fi plots and monsters Jetsons-Fun take on the futurist ideas and really funny comedy. Star Trek-really picked up where the tv series left off. Repetitive music cues and stock footage, though. Battle of the Planets, aka Gatchaman-great war between a team of teen-age super-ninjas and an alien-led army. Macross/Robotech-Alien invaders attack the Earth and soldiers of Earth, with morphing battlemecha must fight them. Made up of three similar, but unrelated tv series. Star Blazers-space opera series about a starship travelling through enemy-held alien territory to retrieve a device that will help cleanse a poisoned Earth. Great epic, with two sequel series. Space Captain Harlock-grand space opera pirate. Akira-apocalyptic story of psychics, motorcycle gangs and government conspiracies. Ghost in the Shell-early cyberpunk, heavily influenced by Blade Runner Bubblegum Crisis-ditto Mobile Suit Gundam-more aliens vs battle mecha. Movies: Flash Gordon serials-captures the comic strip adventure well, though some shaky acting. Buck Rogers-similar, also with Buster Crabbe Metropolis-dark tale of a city ruled by an elite, with workers who are all but slaves, and the upheaval that nearly destroys both. War of the Worlds-great alien invader stuff Forbidden Planet-proto-Star Trek, great effects and sets, awe-inspiring stuff below ground. The Day the Earth Stood Still-Alien visitor confronts mankind about its dangerous militaristic ways. 2001, A Space Odyssey-great hard sci-fi, leaves a lot to the imagination Silent Running-ecological story Planet of the Apes-mother of all post-apocalyptic films Rollerball-cautionary tale of corporate power and the use of violence entertainment to get the populace to turn off their brains Colossus, the Forbin Project-sentient computer meets its mate in the USSR, dictates the rules to humanity. Another that Cameron ripped off. Logan's Run-post-apocalyptic world where population control means life ends at 30 (21 in the original novel). A policeman goes on the run, hunted by his friends. Looks a bit dated now; but, still a great story. Star Wars trilogy Alien and Aliens Outland-uneven but often great film, excellent visuals and a realistic idea of a space mining colony. 2010-from Peter Hymas, of Outland; but, with a better story and acting. Last Starfighter-great juvenile stuff, as Earth teenager saves the galaxy from invaders-effects are dated now, still a good story Trek films, especially the evens. Blade Runner-visual feats, interesting concepts, often uneven acting, obtuse plot. Repeated viewings help. Escape from New York-post-apocalyptic fun from John Carpenter and Kurt Russel the Thing-same as above; also, original Howard Hawks version Solaris-Russian film, based on the Stanislau Lem novel. Fifth Element-great European sci-fi, in the tradition of Moebius and Jean-Claude Mezieres, who were conceptual designers. Also, Valerian looks like it will be good. Enemy Mine-Wolfgang Peterson directs, tale based on the film Hell in the Pacific-enemies marooned together, must make peace to survive. Total Recall-great Phillip K Dick stuff, though the original story has more mindf@#$.
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Post by berkley on Jul 14, 2017 0:03:55 GMT -5
Love this thread. I'll try to contribute with my own favourites later on but for now I'm just enjoying everyone else,s suggestions.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 14, 2017 0:48:16 GMT -5
UltraQ, from Japan, which predated Ultra Man and led to it. In fact most classic 'ultra' monsters came from UltraQ. very much a surrealist Japanese 'quatermass' mixed with Kolchak the Night Stalker, though it's tears earlir than Kolchak. filmed in delicious black and white, with pacing/tempo somwhere between the original TZ and Outer Limits. many eps currently on youtube also, the original Quatermass episodes are on youtube, the tv eps from before the films, which in terms of dialogue-expressing-concept are simply exemplary, and many say led to Dr. Who.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 14, 2017 2:47:04 GMT -5
has anyone mentioned SECONDS here yet? I haven't seen it on this thread, but others might have mentioned it on the Classic Comics FB page, and I don't do the FB thing. I imagine many peeps are grateful of that, lol.
SECONDS starring Rock Hudson is ostensibly 'sci-fi body-horror' before Cronenberg got into the game, and is in fact far more true sci-fi than Cronenberg ever was, even with Scanners and Shivers.
SECONDS is also a damn-sight better in editing/cinematography, deals with long-term sci-fi 'issues', and lets it talent stand, versus relying on 'gross-out' moments to buttress a script that in and of itself is scary and perturbing.
Unlike Cronenberg stuff, though i love Cronenberg stuff (except Shivers). but this thread is about sci-fi, and SECONDS is great sci fi which never relies on 'crutches' unlike Cronenberg stuff.
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Post by brutalis on Jul 14, 2017 7:37:22 GMT -5
Spent time wandering around the local Barnes and Noble last night to avoid the heat and found a new old book to purchase. B&N has a hardback collection of all the James Blish paperback Star Trek novelizations. Great way to relive younger memories of when these books were the only new "Trek" you could ever find around.
Can't go wrong with classic Trek. Episodes like Amok Time, The Doomsday Machine, Trouble with Tribbles and City on the Edge of Forever. Collects 45 episodes for $20.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 8:42:51 GMT -5
Roquefort RaiderI looked through Netflix last night Ascension was there, but Ex Machina seems to have left Netflix. When I searched it turned up no matches, but did have a "Things Like Ex Machina" result turn up, so I am assuming I just missed Ex Machina and it was a recent departure. I added Ascension to my list of things to watch on my account. Loving all the suggestions. Just got an Amazon gift card for my birthday. Thinking of picking up the first volume of the the Complete Valerian (which has books 1 and 2 and for the first time in English Book 0)-anyone have thoughts on this graphic novel series-I am somewhat interested in the movie from the trailers but think I would prefer to read the originals (well at least English translations of the originals) before I check out the film. -M
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 14, 2017 9:53:01 GMT -5
Thinking of picking up the first volume of the the Complete Valerian (which has books 1 and 2 and for the first time in English Book 0)-anyone have thoughts on this graphic novel series-I am somewhat interested in the movie from the trailers but think I would prefer to read the originals (well at least English translations of the originals) before I check out the film. I can guarantee that the film will be nowhere as good as the series, even if it turns out to be in the same league as Star Wars. Valerian is in the Lt. Blueberry category as far as greatness goes. My favourite titles are The empire of a thousand planets, which inspired my own work so much; Ambassador of the shadows, which is the inspiration for the film; Châtelet station, destination Cassiopeia and the three following books, the kind of book that would get non comic-book readers to take notice. These are my favourites, but none of them are bad.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 14, 2017 10:41:00 GMT -5
Roquefort Raider I looked through Netflix last night Ascension was there, but Ex Machina seems to have left Netflix. When I searched it turned up no matches, but did have a "Things Like Ex Machina" result turn up, so I am assuming I just missed Ex Machina and it was a recent departure. I added Ascension to my list of things to watch on my account. Loving all the suggestions. Just got an Amazon gift card for my birthday. Thinking of picking up the first volume of the the Complete Valerian (which has books 1 and 2 and for the first time in English Book 0)-anyone have thoughts on this graphic novel series-I am somewhat interested in the movie from the trailers but think I would prefer to read the originals (well at least English translations of the originals) before I check out the film. -M Valerian is a fantastic series, with great characters, imaginative alien races, and plenty of humor to lighten it up, from time to time. Lots of really great stories, often with a theme of technological advances vs races living more in harmony with their environment. Laureline is one of the great characters of European comics and one who would appeal to young girls interested in comics.
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