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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 19, 2018 13:44:39 GMT -5
Yeah, right, Gar. They saved your life, and all you can do is moan because you can't walk around the premises and sexually harass the Amazons, you know, the women that saved your life! What an a-hole! To me, this seems incredibly self-centered and whiny, even for Gar. There was a lot of that in the New Teen Titans, IIRC. At least that's how it seemed to me. I did like the cover in which the DP made its return, though.
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Post by Hoosier X on Mar 19, 2018 14:25:12 GMT -5
Yeah, right, Gar. They saved your life, and all you can do is moan because you can't walk around the premises and sexually harass the Amazons, you know, the women that saved your life! What an a-hole! To me, this seems incredibly self-centered and whiny, even for Gar. There was a lot of that in the New Teen Titans, IIRC. At least that's how it seemed to me. I did like the cover in which the DP made its return, though. I'm starting to remember more about why I didn't read it very long. It wasn't ONLY because Terry Long was a terrible character. I also don't like Deathstroke. And I thought Terra was over-the-top unlikeable. (And I'm starting to remember that I thought Gar was REALLY ANNOYING a lot of the time.) My favorite version of the Teen Titans is the cartoon Titans Go!
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Post by Hoosier X on Mar 20, 2018 12:37:02 GMT -5
I read DP #121 yesterday afternoon, and it's the last issue of Silver Age Doom Patrol. It is with a heavy heart that I soldier forward to say a few words about this issue. Not just because it's the last issue of this wonderful Silver Age series, but because it is a sad issue as the Doom Patrol meets a tragic but heroic end. It's such a great ending though! Tying up so many loose ends, it makes the whole series seem a lot more like a single storyline. There's a framing sequence where artist Bruno Premiani is saying to editor Murray Boltinoff that he can't believe the script he's been given because it depicts the death of the Doom Patrol. Boltinoff tells Premiani that the DP can be saved, BUT ONLY THE FANS CAN SAVE THEM! (From a review on the Internet, I learned that writer Arnold Drake was supposed to be the person telling Bruno the bad news. But Drake had apparently been spearheading a creators rights movement and had become persona non grata at DC, so Boltinoff was substituted. That's the story I heard anyway.) Madame Rouge has left the DP but she hasn't gone back to the Brotherhood of Evil. She hates them too! She hates them so much that while she's running a harassment campaign against the DP, she blows up the Brotherhood's HQ, and there's a huge panel of the Brain and Monsieur Mallah being blown sky high! Madame Rouge is helped by a former Nazi called General Zahl. He has a grudge against the DP because he lost his arm to one of the Chiefs devices during World War II. At the end, the DP are all trapped on an island by the machinations of Madame Rouge and General Zahl, and Zahl gives them a choice. They can choose death, or they can choose to live, but if they want to live, it means he will set off a bomb that will kill all the inhabitants of a New England fishing village! He's certain they will choose to live, and it will show they aren't really heroes. But Zahl is thwarted when they choose death! And the island explodes and the DP is killed! Madame Rouge is more than a little bit upset by this because she had a thing for the Chief, but Zahl assured her they would chose to live. She didn't expect her plan would get so out of hand, I guess. The people of the village rename their town Four Heroes, Massachusetts. (I think it was Massachusetts.) And at the very end, Boltinoff and Bruno are back to tell the fans they can save the DP but they have to WRITE IN AND DEMAND THEIR RETURN! I guess it didn't work. Not for a while anyway.
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 20, 2018 14:54:49 GMT -5
Hoosier X , much as I wish the tiny fishing vilage of Four Heroes were here in the Commonwealth, it is north of us in Maine. This is a wonderful write-up of one of the great stories in the Silver Age Pantheon. Drake and Premiani didn't sentimentalize, hyperbolize or melodramatize (Is that a word?) the sacrifice of the DP, which made the climax that much more powerful. What a perfect final portrait of the DP Bruno drew and Arnold wrote for their final panel... I have to say that when I bought this fresh off the stands in the late summer of 1968, twith he opening panels with Bruno and Boltinoff imploring me and other fans to save the DP, I figured it for a gimmick. There had been nary a hint of DP's being cancelled in the letters pages, and when, at story's end, Boltinoff begs the fans to write hundreds of thousands of letters to bring back the DP from annihilation, I was shocked. How the hell was anyone going to pull that off? Even if I wanted to buy every copy of DP 121 I saw on the stands (and I would have), the one I bought was the only one I ever saw. Never in those days can I remember editors giving any hint that a comic was going to be cancelled unless sales improved. After this issue was published, though, I think that it did happen here and there. I wouldn't have known enough about comics then to realize that DP had no doubt already been cancelled. Even a comic published eight times a year or bi-monthly would need more time than a sudden shift in buying habits would provide to allow them to put out the next issue. Glad you enjoyed this one, HX!
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Post by Hoosier X on Mar 20, 2018 15:02:12 GMT -5
Four Heroes, Maine, should still be a thing in the DC Universe. There's a statue of the Chief, Rita, Cliff and Larry next to the gazebo in the town square. (It was built before most of them turned up alive.)
They should bring back Ralph and Sue and they should start wandering DC America again and there should be an episode where they stop in Four Heroes, Maine, because Sue wants to browse in the shops, and then ... Ralph notices a disturbance at the docks and the fisherman are all in a tizzy because the catch of the day is a bunch of fish with Groucho moustaches!
In the course of solving the mystery, he passes by the Doom Patrol monument.
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 20, 2018 15:51:30 GMT -5
Four Heroes, Maine, should still be a thing in the DC Universe. There's a statue of the Chief, Rita, Cliff and Larry next to the gazebo in the town square. (It was built before most of them turned up alive.) They should bring back Ralph and Sue and they should start wandering DC America again and there should be an episode where they stop in Four Heroes, Maine, because Sue wants to browse in the shops, and then ... Ralph notices a disturbance at the docks and the fisherman are all in a tizzy because the catch of the day is a bunch of fish with Groucho moustaches! In the course of solving the mystery, he passes by the Doom Patrol monument. And we see his nose twitch as he wonders how much fun it might have been had he met Elasti-Girl before he'd met Sue Dearborn. Excellent! And, yes, Four Heroes should be the scene of an annual story, a la the Rutland Hallowe'en Parade stories
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Post by rberman on May 22, 2018 21:11:31 GMT -5
That said, I was out running errands and I stopped at the library and decided to use the computers for a bit. (This is where I typed all the comments I posted in the last 45 minutes.) And I decided to read one comic online before continuing with my errands and I chose ... Doom Patrol #35 of the Morrison run! I just started a Golden Age break but I stayed up late last night and read Mr. Terrific, the Gay Ghost, Wildcat, the Atomic Knights, Sky Girl and Space Smith. So I was more in the mood for something a little more recent and I decided to go with DP #35 because it's been a while since I read #34. And it's the first appearance of Danny the Street, who I know from the Young Animal line Doom Patrol series! I didn't know that #35 was his first appearance. Danny the Street's pretty cool. And some random abstract Morrison operatives are trying to kill him! Run, Danny, run! Morrison DP has its moments. Danny LaRue, O.B.E. (1927-2009) was a beloved British entertainer known for peforming in drag. "La Rue" = "the street" in French. Morrison could make all sorts of jokes that went over the heads of us Yanks.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 20, 2018 20:52:52 GMT -5
I read a lot of the original '60s Doom Patrol. There was a digest of selected reprints that came out under a nice George Perez cover around the time of those New Teen Titans, and that was my introduction to the team, after which I bought what I could find of the older ones, and even the Showcase '70s reboot. Fast forward to earlier this year and I decided to give the John Byrne series of Doom Patrol a try. I got to #9 (and then the six JLAs that lead up to the series), but then the next few issues got held up in the mail or summer fill-in workers at Mile High, so just today got to read #10 and can now work toward the finale of #18. I'm really liking this series. I'm not sure I would enjoy the other runs at it though, not that there is anything bad, but the eccentric art ala Sienkiwicz at his weirdest isn't usually my favorite thing (did like Epic's Moonshadow way back in which Jon Jay Muth did get a bit weird and angular too, but that was a long time ago now). Well Doom Patrol #10 is a pretty brutal story for a Byrne comic, it's the secret origins of Grunt and Nudge revealed at last. I don't mean brutal though as in brutalizing the reader needlessly, it all makes sense and fits and expands the characters, but there's a body count. It's true to the old comic but new blood is added, and so far anyway no Mentor or even a mention of Beast Boy/Changeling which is fine with me. It's not too hard to find the 18 issue run affordably along with the JLA #94-99 lead-in written by Claremont and drawn by Byrne and Ordway.
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Post by comicsandwho on Jul 21, 2018 14:15:37 GMT -5
I also had that Doom Patrol digest quite a while ago. Thought the origin was cool, but the other stories(especially the villains) were must have been a little too wird for 8 year old me, and it felt a little too 'science fiction' when I was just looking for superheroes and supervillains. I should try one of the later collections to follow along propely. I was just a little too young to get the Showcase revival with the 'New' Doom Patrol, but I enjoyed reading those issues much later. My intro to the new team was DC Comics Presents # 52(also the intro for Ambush Bug). I'd seen the original Robotman before, and learned that there was another one who belonged to this team. I liked Cliff Steele(good pun!) right off the bat, sort of reminded me of a metallic Ben Grimm or Nick Fury(if he'd been a Marvel character, he almost certainly would have fought in WW II alongside both!) I didn't really get a handle in the other members,Celsius and Tempest, as the story had them still very inexperienced 'in the field', and Steel had kept them out of action for a while for more training. That story used Negative Woman's powers going wrong as the gist of the plot, so she was presumably 'out of character', as well. I thought it was interesting that Superman and Cliff Steele knew each other,but there was no almost-obligatory footnote telling us where they'd met(I assume Supes turned up somewhere in the old DP's book, since I don't recall hearing about them guest-starring in any of his). As gar as the post-Crisis Doom Patrol, I only picked up one issue, which again involved a Superman team-up, crossing over to over of Byrne's issues. I also vaguely remember a 'special edition' DP-Suicide Squad team-up. My local store, for some reason, wasn't carrying a lot of DC stuff when the Patrol's title was starting out, and I didn't follow up with it when I'd visit my nearest not-that local LCS. So, a lot of water went under the bridge, I eventually heard Byrne moved on, and at some point, Grant Morrison took over and was writing sone..unusual...stuff in their title, 'Animal Man', and whatever else...but by then, it all felt that it was too far along to go back and try catching up.
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 23, 2018 0:17:11 GMT -5
I was so pumped that Byrne was going to be doing DP. He loved the characters and it was a match made in heaven.
Except for Byrne's horrible stilted dialogue.
I hated it so much I never bought an issue past # 1 of his version.
It was that bad.
That and the New 52's Demon Knights were the biggest let downs I can remember.
Hoping the live action show will be awesome.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 23, 2018 12:35:51 GMT -5
The Chief has kind of stuffy dialogue as part of his character. Nudge being Korean sometimes had idiosyncratic dialogue. I thought the comic started off weak, tying up loose ends from the JLA issues and a guest appearance by the Martian Manhunter, but after that it keeps getting better. The last bunch of issues were really well done in my opinion and there is even a fun cross-over with parts of the '60s original comic. The X-Men: Hidden Years on the other paw starts great but got a bit weaker, again my opinion, but still worth keeping. I'm left wanting more of that Doom Patrol than more Hidden Years X-Men, and I would like more Hidden Years for sure.
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 23, 2018 13:02:02 GMT -5
The DP issues are cheap so I'll probably pick them up some time.
Yeah, I liked Byrne's Hidden Years. It's a crying shame he's not doing work for either of the Big Two.
Oh well. He can coast off his commissions I guess.
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