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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 29, 2017 9:56:36 GMT -5
'Cei-U! I summon the last time I gave a rat's rump about DC!'
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 29, 2017 11:08:53 GMT -5
The best comics DC put out in the '90s were those based on the Warner Bros. animated series: Batman [and Robin] Adventures, Superman Adventures, and Adventures in the DC Universe. I also love several series already mentioned, including Gaimin's Sandman, Starman, Spectre, Sandman Mystery Theatre, Power of Shazam, the Mike Parobeck-drawn JSA, and Final Night (one of the few "event" comics of the decade still in my collection). I liked Morrison's JLA, too, despite the horrible Howard Porter art. Conversely, Kingdom Come is beautiful to look at but the story feels terribly dated. Cei-U! I summon the last time I gave a rat's rump about DC! I'll echo most of what Kurt Cei's. I never read Final Night. And I think Morrison's JLA is readable but overrated. Kingdom Come I have a love/hate relationship with. I actually think it's a pretty terrible comic story-wise. But it directly lead to the creation of CBR and me meeting a whole passel of great people.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 29, 2017 11:14:14 GMT -5
kirby101I can't remember the Green Lantern/Parallax One Shot that well ... perhaps someone here can. Well here's what I wrote about the Parallax issue when I recently read the Final Night ... Okay, according to Lone Star's listing, I am reading the crossover issues that I do have to go with Final Night in this order. Detective Comics #703 Final Night #1 Green Lantern #80 Final Night #2 Final Night #3 Parallax: Emerald Night #1 Final Night #4 Robin #35 Takion #6 Green Lantern #81 Detective Comics #703 Dixon/Nolan/Hanna Four nights now Gotham has been in darkness. And of course the lesser of good citizens are out taking advantage of the others. And the story is "narrated" by a DJ with a very negative attitude about humanity. So while he's not expecting citizens to stand up for one another, and for Gotham to plunged into the dark ages again, we get to see Batman, Robin and Huntress foiling various crimes and protecting citizens. Even the very DJ that is accosted at the end after leaving the station, who had no faith in humanity. Fairly basic issue. I guess in a prelude type fashion it is okay. But it, was a title I was getting monthly at the time, so it wasn't really that I thought it would add much to the Final Night series. Same with Robin and GL. Takion I got for the awesome cover, and the Parallax issue seemed important to the mini series, so I got it. I also forgot the Final Night mini was all in one month. So Karl Kessel and Stuart Immonen cranked out four 32 page books in one month/ Ron Marz and Mike McKone doing the Parallax special. Edit: Final Night 1-4 Green Lantern #80 Parallax: Emerald Night #1 In GL, Kyle finds out Dr Light has been trapped in his battery, but "the other one" (which I take to mean Alan Scott) was the one who did it. And Dr Light escapes with new powers and intends to prove his new powers make him more formidable. But all Kyle is trying to do is explain to him Earth's situation. When Dr Light finally listens, Kyle tries to enlist his help, but Light is only interested in saving his own ass. However something he said makes Kyle think that he might have an idea of something that will help fix Earth's sun. The Parallax issue is probably the most unnecessary of all to read. While I like Ron Marz writing, the Parallax issue is nothing but Hal trying to convince himself and others (that he transports to visit) that he is still a hero after his atrocities before Kyle (and the reason that) becomes the new Green Lantern. I've never been a Hal fan, even when trying to read him, in hindsight to Kyle being GL. He's got this complex that he knows what is right for everyone, and he knows better than them. (Not that that flaw isn't in other heroes.) And it shows as he going posturing to all the people that will tell him want he wants to know, even going so far as to heal John Stewart whose crippled when serving as Darkstar by Grayven. Why doesn't he appear before Batman and ask him what he thinks of him? Anyway, I read it, and of course after Earth's pep squad all boost Hal's ego he's ready to play the hero again. Final Night turned out pretty good, for me forgetting most of it after all this time. It was pretty easy to tell it was four 32 page issues pumped out in one month by the story. Not necessarily dumping that on Kessel's shoulders, but the story didn't seem like there was much to it. The threat to the Earth's sun came just as soon as the solution. And that solution seemed just as rushed as the rest of the story. Or maybe it was DC's quickly thrown together excuse to bring back Hal and make him a hero again. I wouldn't know the history behind the issues themselves, but that seemed the case to me. The Sun-Eater (even in name) was just some generic entity that ate suns, like DC's solar Galactus, but with none of the thought and back story that Galactus has. I still enjoyed the four issues, as I would some random creature feature movie that I might watch. But this one, I would necessarily suggest, unless one just likes to see DC's heroes come together and defeat a common foe. Though I guess this really wasn't any less "generic" that Cosmic Odyssey, in ends as quickly as it began. Or the solution seemed easier than the appearance of the antagonist. Differnce is CO had Starlin and Mignola. Not to say that in four 32 page issues Immonem's art ever took a dip. I am not per say, a fan of his art, but I can recognize that it kept it his best through the whole story. So if you find any in the dollar bins somewhere and you just like DC hero team-ups, then I'd say they are worth it at that price. Also unless you are a Hal fan, skip the Parallax issue all together. It gets painful have to read that many pages of Hal tooting his own horn. Okay, okay, my Hal rant is at an end. Cover imgur.com/a/kWezd
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 29, 2017 11:42:49 GMT -5
I think Morrison's JLA is readable but overrated Hence my saying I like Morrison's JLA, as opposed to loving the other titles mentioned. Cei-U! I summon the second tier!
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 29, 2017 12:54:22 GMT -5
the dc comments hurt, but you're still the funniest guy here, Cei-U!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 29, 2017 14:22:58 GMT -5
kirby101 I can't remember the Green Lantern/Parallax One Shot that well ... perhaps someone here can. It was essentially the funeral/tribute to Hal Jordan... not part of the story, but rather a nice epilogue. I'm pretty sure I reviewed it in my Kyle Rayner thread WAY back (which I should get back to one of these days)
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 29, 2017 17:03:39 GMT -5
The best comics DC put out in the '90s were those based on the Warner Bros. animated series: Batman [and Robin] Adventures, Superman Adventures, and Adventures in the DC Universe. I also love several series already mentioned, including Gaimin's Sandman, Starman, Spectre, Sandman Mystery Theatre, Power of Shazam, the Mike Parobeck-drawn JSA, and Final Night (one of the few "event" comics of the decade still in my collection). I liked Morrison's JLA, too, despite the horrible Howard Porter art. Conversely, Kingdom Come is beautiful to look at but the story feels terribly dated. Cei-U! I summon the last time I gave a rat's rump about DC! Oh yeah, I forgot about the Parobeck JSA. I've been trying to think up non-Vertigo, non-Milestone comics I like from this period. I do really like Morrison's Doom Patrol and JLA - far and away my favorite straight DC superhero books of the '90s. And Porter did some really interesting, almost Colan-esque things with panel and page design and even fight scene choreography - and he did give the book the requisite sense of BIGness. I agree that the actual, um, drawing wasn't that great, but I don't see him as a terrible comics artist overall. Ooh! I quite liked the Dixon/McDaniel Nightwing stuff from the mid-to-late-'90s.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 29, 2017 17:13:10 GMT -5
kirby101 I can't remember the Green Lantern/Parallax One Shot that well ... perhaps someone here can. It was essentially the funeral/tribute to Hal Jordan... not part of the story, but rather a nice epilogue. I'm pretty sure I reviewed it in my Kyle Rayner thread WAY back (which I should get back to one of these days) GL traitor! :-)
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 29, 2017 21:17:49 GMT -5
90s DC also gave us this under-appreciated gem: Tim Truman (who also gave us Jonah Hex: Two-Gun Mojo and The Riders of Worms & Such) unloads this piece of pulp awesomeness, with Bat Lash, Enemy Ace, Biff Bradley (Slam's brother), Chop-Chop, Miss Fear, and Vandal Savage, all on Dinosaur Island, from The War That time Forgot stories. The time is 1927, the Japanese are flexing muscle in Manchuria, and there are tales of treasure, on a mysterious island. This was Truman's homage to terry & the Pirates, every South China Sea pulp adventure story, and the coolest collection of some of DC's coolest period characters, in an adventure that makes sense and is filled with plenty of blood and thunder. Shame that it seems like I was the only one who read it. The 90s also gave us James Robinson and Paul Smith's The Golden Age I had this poster, which reeks of total awesomeness. Paul Smith was channeling Alex Raymond, Lou Fine and Reed Crandall in every panel. Robinson handled Paul Kirk better than anyone this side of Archie Goodwin, gave us the idea of Ted Knight with a mental breakdown (which informed the Starman series), Dan the Dyna-Mite becoming a superman, Tex Thompson as Joseph McCarthy, and members of the JSA facing a world that doesn't want them and a disturbing darkness. My local shop dropped the ball on me and didn't pull my copy of the first issue. I quickly dropped them. DC also published the, sadly, short-lived babylon 5 tie-in comic, which helped fill in gaps between episodes and seasons, showing CDR Sinclair's arrival on Minbar, his past with Garibaldi, the Shadows, the Psi Corps, and the history of Valen. Warner did not initiate the series, despite funding and distributing B5. Joe Straczynski brokered the deal himself, which was not cross-promoted, except on-line (JMS had a strong on-line presence during the series) and via DC's marketing. Warner cared Drakh-all about the series. Unlike the Trek comics, these had an actual bearing on the tv continuity and events would be mentioned in the series and in the prose novels.
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 30, 2017 1:22:46 GMT -5
So what else went on besides Death of Superman, World Without Superman and Reign of the Supermen story arcs? What else was going on with DC for the other characters like Flash, Wonder Woman and whoever else? Was the whole thing with Bane and Batman going on at the time? Reason why I am asking is because Im trying to get caught up on some of the DC stuff that went on besides the stuff with Superman at the time back then. Aquaman i know a little where he lost his hand yada yada. Kingdom Come, Zero Hour, the Ross/Dini tabloid specials. So much of the overall essence of what made DC great over its history can be found in those publications.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jul 30, 2017 3:54:22 GMT -5
It almost looks like this and the "A Look at the 90s..." thread are turning into parallel discussions. Echoing what I just posted there, I'll expand on what codystarbuck said about The Golden Age and say the Elseworlds line in general. This was a really good concept, and gave many writers and artists an opportunity to tell good stories without worrying too much about continuity.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 30, 2017 6:44:40 GMT -5
'DC Comics in the 1990s. What else went on besides Superman?'
animal man.
preacher.
h - - lblazer.
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Post by MDG on Jul 30, 2017 10:41:25 GMT -5
Best DC comic of the 90s
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 10:44:11 GMT -5
It almost looks like this and the "A Look at the 90s..." thread are turning into parallel discussions. Echoing what I just posted there, I'll expand on what codystarbuck said about The Golden Age and say the Elseworlds line in general. This was a really good concept, and gave many writers and artists an opportunity to tell good stories without worrying too much about continuity. the two threads could probably be merged as they are essentially the same topic from different perspectives, but the separate threads just divvy up the same conversation. -M
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 30, 2017 10:51:24 GMT -5
It almost looks like this and the "A Look at the 90s..." thread are turning into parallel discussions. Echoing what I just posted there, I'll expand on what codystarbuck said about The Golden Age and say the Elseworlds line in general. This was a really good concept, and gave many writers and artists an opportunity to tell good stories without worrying too much about continuity. the two threads could probably be merged as they are essentially the same topic from different perspectives, but the separate threads just divvy up the same conversation. -M To be fair this thread creator I just happened to have sat down and read something from the 90's yesterday and remembered my long forgotten thread. This one is ar least recent and fresh. So I have no issue letting this one flourish over mine.
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