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Post by brutalis on Aug 2, 2017 16:03:19 GMT -5
The Old Order Changeth !
Avengers # 16-25This Avengers run is a perennial favorite of mine. Issue #16 has the Original Founders ( Iron Man, Thor, Giant-man, Wasp and Cap) Wrap up their fight with the Masters of Evil just to realize that they are burnt out and need a break. They immediately go about finding replacements when Hawkeye breaks into the mansion to “ audition” to join the team. That Audition happens to be him tying up Jarvis. Anyway, the word is put into the papers and Quicksilver and Wanda also join. There are nice scenes where the Submariner is also asked , but refuses. There is no shortage of big time opponents for them as they face off against Kang, Enchantress, Power Man , Swordsman, and the Moleman. I don't know if this run is revered by anyone else, but it's what made me stay with the Avengers emotionally. *** Let me add that I considered and maybe still do , Don Heck to be THE Avengers artist. At least, I feel he doesn't get the love that he should. Great to see the Don Heck Avenger's love Icc!!! These were the stories which hooked me on the team from the beginning. Of course my copies were the reprints found in Marvel Triple Action at the time as the current run was filled with Roy Thomas Kree/Skrull goodness (if i am remembering correctly) so I had 2 versions of the team. But those Heck/Wood art styling's set me off. Just gorgeous and the Kooky Quartet/Sixtet (with Goliath/Wasp) years are a favorite of mine that I will re-read constantly. |
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Post by shaxper on Aug 2, 2017 16:47:20 GMT -5
The Old Order Changeth !
Avengers # 16-25This Avengers run is a perennial favorite of mine. Issue #16 has the Original Founders ( Iron Man, Thor, Giant-man, Wasp and Cap) Wrap up their fight with the Masters of Evil just to realize that they are burnt out and need a break. They immediately go about finding replacements when Hawkeye breaks into the mansion to “ audition” to join the team. That Audition happens to be him tying up Jarvis. Anyway, the word is put into the papers and Quicksilver and Wanda also join. There are nice scenes where the Submariner is also asked , but refuses. There is no shortage of big time opponents for them as they face off against Kang, Enchantress, Power Man , Swordsman, and the Moleman. I don't know if this run is revered by anyone else, but it's what made me stay with the Avengers emotionally. *** Let me add that I considered and maybe still do , Don Heck to be THE Avengers artist. At least, I feel he doesn't get the love that he should. Great to see the Don Heck Avenger's love Icc!!! These were the stories which hooked me on the team from the beginning. Of course my copies were the reprints found in Marvel Triple Action at the time as the current run was filled with Roy Thomas Kree/Skrull goodness (if i am remembering correctly) so I had 2 versions of the team. But those Heck/Wood art styling's set me off. Just gorgeous and the Kooky Quartet/Sixtet (with Goliath/Wasp) years are a favorite of mine that I will re-read constantly. I had to do a double-take when I first read Icctrombone's write-up because I'm sure I've read those stories, and yet I know I don't own those issues. Turns out it had all just been retold so often in the pages of the Avengers that I only felt like I'd been there, experiencing those adventures when they happened. I'd imagine that kind of concern with past history was part of what prompted the beginning of back issue collecting. "It's almost like i was there -- now I want to actually read those stories!". |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 17:21:26 GMT -5
JLA: The Nail by Alan Davis Originally presented in JLA: The Nail 1-3 (1998) What if Superman never came to be? That is the question posed by this thoughtful DC Elseworlds tale. One of my favorite Elseworlds' stories. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 17:26:03 GMT -5
10. Detective Comics 469-476 by Engelhart, Simonson and Milgrom; Rogers and Austin
This one is also on my Top Ten list. Although a little higher on my list. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 2, 2017 18:44:44 GMT -5
#10. Kingdom Come (mini series, and 'the Kingdom' event)   This was a bit higher for me last time... but I've since read more than one 'good heroes gone back story', and I realize now that there is lots more to explore that was really either glossed over or just not done here. That said, Kingdom Come did it first, and with stunning art and awesome character designs... it still stands as a landmark of the time. |
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Aug 2, 2017 19:05:40 GMT -5
Fantastic Four 1 - 102
Stan Lee and Jack Kirby  What can I say that hasn't been expressed more eloquently in many other places. We all know why this run, or saga as we're defining things here today, would be considered great. This is the book upon which Marvels entire world exists. Sure that little Spider-Brat may be popular with the kiddies, and the Green-Guy may be able to mishandle a puny God or two, but we all, here, know better. We know its all owed to this. We know that all stands upon the shoulders of giants... |
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Post by shaxper on Aug 2, 2017 19:09:48 GMT -5
#10. Kingdom Come (mini series, and 'the Kingdom' event) Could you be clear on exactly which issues this entails? Believe it or not, we had massive disagreements when nominations weren't abundantly clear about this back in 2014. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 2, 2017 19:18:35 GMT -5
#10. Kingdom Come (mini series, and 'the Kingdom' event) Could you be clear on exactly which issues this entails? Believe it or not, we had massive disagreements when nominations weren't abundantly clear about this back in 2014. Sure.. there's the original mini series... the secondary event (called 'the Kingdom'), which had a 2 issue book end mini along with series of one shots (the list is herehttp://www.comicosity.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/MS-MARVEL-1.jpg) .. then there was a further story with Superman from that Earth in JSA called 'One World Under Gog' that ran 11 issues (16-22 in the JSA Series, an annual, and a couple titled 'Kingdom Come special'.. one for Magog, one for Superman, and one titled 'The Kingdom') |
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 2, 2017 20:43:15 GMT -5
I was just recording a podcast about Cap's Kooky Quartet with Hoosier X, so hopefully we'll have something interesting to say about it!
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Post by shaxper on Aug 2, 2017 20:57:44 GMT -5
Fantastic Four 1 - 102
Stan Lee and Jack Kirby What can I say that hasn't been expressed more eloquently in many other places. We all know why this run, or saga as we're defining things here today, would be considered great. This is the book upon which Marvels entire world exists. Sure that little Spider-Brat may be popular with the kiddies, and the Green-Guy may be able to mishandle a puny God or two, but we all, here, know better. We know its all owed to this. We know that all stands upon the shoulders of giants... So what happens with issue #103? I've never read past issue 80 or so. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 21:06:24 GMT -5
So what happens with issue #103? I've never read past issue 80 or so. You really don't know? Kirby left & John Romita took over art. |
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Post by shaxper on Aug 2, 2017 21:11:18 GMT -5
So what happens with issue #103? I've never read past issue 80 or so. You really don't know? Kirby left & John Romita took over art. I figured it was Kirby's departure, but I guess I'm asking more why that ends the saga for you. Did the quality just utterly drop off after that? |
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Aug 2, 2017 22:49:14 GMT -5
You really don't know? Kirby left & John Romita took over art. I figured it was Kirby's departure, but I guess I'm asking more why that ends the saga for you. Did the quality just utterly drop off after that? IMHO Kirby's departure completely explains it. I see this run as being the Genesis of the MU with the introduction of so many huge ideas that others continue to mine today. Galactus, Surfer, Inhumans, Annihilus, Black Panther, and Doom just as examples. I have no problem with Johnny Romita or John Buscema as artists, but the books they were involved in didnt establish ideas and characters that continue to resonate. Virtually every FF comic since has just retrod the same old ground, yet the legacy they were left was to blaze trails and show others where to go. Byrne may have tried to do this, and I believe Millar and Hickman tried hard to get there in the last decade or so, but almost everyone else... |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Aug 4, 2017 13:08:08 GMT -5
#10 - Grendel - War Child #1-#10 Writer : Matt Wagner Penciller : Patrick McEown & Ken Henderson Inker : Matt Wagner & Monty Sheldon Colorist : Bernie Mireault & Kathryn Delaney  This comic isn't especially groundbreaking, but it tells an epic, and a very pleasant to read through one. It is kind of like the movies you've already seen plenty, but every time you stumble upon those by chance on TV or something, you keep watching till the end, like Raiders of the Lost Ark, or Aliens. The art is nothing spectacular, but very effective, and taken in the grand scheme of things within the Grendel world, it reads as a stand alone very easily, but it makes you wonder what happened before and maybe even after, even if it has a great conclusion. It's greatest narrative quality is exposition, how it throughs you into a complex world, leting you feel that lots have already happened, even if you won't be aware of the details. In my book Matt Wagner at his finest. Here's the Dark Horse comics pitch for it : Grendel is one of comics' most provocative characters. From the beginning, Matt Wagner's stories have won critical and popular acclaim. This long-awaited continuation of the storyline picks up several years after the events of Grendel #40 and the death of Orion Assante. Ten-year-old Jupiter Niklos Assante, heir to the throne of the Grendel-Khan, is kidnapped from the retreat in which his rapacious stepmother has hidden him, away from his rightful power. The child is worth a hefty ransom, but there seems to be more than money on the mind of his kidnapper -- who is none other than Grendel! Oh, and maybe I should mention now that the content has very little to do in spirit with those awesome but misleading Bisley covers.
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Post by coke & comics on Aug 6, 2017 14:28:51 GMT -5
10 X-Menby Chris Claremont & friends Giant-Size X-Men #1, Uncanny X-Men #94-280, X-Men #1-3, Marvel Graphic Novel #5, plus assorted miniseries, annuals and tie-ins.  Yeah, I'll be the jerk who refuses to split up Claremont's X-Men and makes vote-totaling hard. Why can't I just put the Claremont/Byrne run? Or even Dark Phoenix Saga like a normal person. Dark Phoenix Saga even has the word "saga" right in it. Well, Dark Phoenix Saga isn't the best Claremont/Byrne story. That's Days of Future Past. Claremont's best X-Men story is God Loves Man Kills. And for my money, the series is great whether drawn by Cockrum, Byrne, Romita Jr., Silvestri, Lee or anybody named Smith. The characters are the thing. And the characters start to grow later. We meet them when Wein and Cockrum introduce them in Giant-Size X-Men, but we get to know them much later. Storm begins to take on a story of her own in the seminal issue 150, when she stands over a sleeping Magneto holding a knife. The spiritual journey she undergoes that leads to her assuming leadership of the Morlocks, getting a new look, helping young Kitty accept the changes she's going through that leads to the loss of her powers, her doomed romance with Forge, her return to Africa to rediscover herself, he defeating Cyclops for leadership of the X-Men, until finally being killed in battle with Nanny and Orphanmaker... that's her story. Kitty Pryde becomes the heart and soul of the team under Paul Smith, learning, growing, finally succumbing to serious injuries which nearly kill her, until she heals well enough to join Excalibur. Rogue steals the powers and memories of Ms. Marvel and it tears her apart until she leaves the Brotherhood to join the X-Men. A confused person in need of help. Unable to touch anyone, haunted by the other psyche that shares her mind. When Rachel gains the power of Phoenix, Wolverine stabs her rather than let her murder a villain. When Psylocke realizes the Reavers are closing in, she has the X-Men reflect on where they've come and how they've failed. Hiding out in Australia, doing nothing to further the dream that brought them together. They choose to quit being X-Men and enter the Siege Perilous to decide their fates for them. Magneto goes from villain to sympathetic terrorist seeking to protect his own people. He is tried before the world for his crimes. He attempts to join the X-Men and become a teacher to the New Mutants. When the Fall of the Mutants leaves Doug Ramsey as well as all the X-Men dead, he sees himself as a failure. He finds a new path, turning his floating asteroid base into a mutant sanctuary, and independent nation for mutants. But fear feeds of fear. He can't trust the world governments and they can't trust him. So his dreams end in fire. It's a complex saga spanning hundreds of issues, but it's a good one. |
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