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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 15:07:20 GMT -5
9. Green Lantern 76-87; 89, by O’Neil and Adams
Excellent choice! I don't think readers that have read this later in a collection realize how different this series was from all the other titles on the news stands at that time. This truly was groundbreaking at that time. Both in tone & art. That first cover #76 was breathtaking.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 3, 2017 15:11:22 GMT -5
9. Green Lantern 76-87; 89, by O’Neil and Adams I really struggled with where to place this one on my list. I respect the hell out of the intent, but I feel like the execution after that first issue was very hit or miss. I wish I loved this series more than I do. Still, it was absolutely establishment-shattering for the time. This is definitely one of my favorite moments in comic book history. I wish the rest of the run had lived up to the benchmark set here.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 3, 2017 15:13:39 GMT -5
9. Green Lantern 76-87; 89, by O’Neil and Adams I really struggled with where to place this one on my list. I respect the hell out of the intent, but I feel like the execution after that first issue was very hit or miss. I wish I loved this series more than I do. Still, it was absolutely establishment-shattering for the time. This is definitely one of my favorite moments in comic book history. I wish the rest of the run had lived up to the benchmark set here. To the contrary, I find that to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read in comics.
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 3, 2017 15:29:15 GMT -5
I really struggled with where to place this one on my list. I respect the hell out of the intent, but I feel like the execution after that first issue was very hit or miss. I wish I loved this series more than I do. Still, it was absolutely establishment-shattering for the time. This is definitely one of my favorite moments in comic book history. I wish the rest of the run had lived up to the benchmark set here. To the contrary, I find that to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read in comics. Ernie Chan sucks! Nyaaah!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 15:58:37 GMT -5
I really struggled with where to place this one on my list. I respect the hell out of the intent, but I feel like the execution after that first issue was very hit or miss. I wish I loved this series more than I do. Still, it was absolutely establishment-shattering for the time. This is definitely one of my favorite moments in comic book history. I wish the rest of the run had lived up to the benchmark set here. To the contrary, I find that to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read in comics. Not sure how you feel...
You know what they say...one man's trash is another man's treasure!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 3, 2017 16:30:43 GMT -5
To the contrary, I find that to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read in comics. Not sure how you feel...
You know what they say...one man's trash is another man's treasure!
To expound, now that I'm back from a trip to jail to see clients. 20 or 30 years ago I likely would have put that run of GL on my list. In the interim it really hasn't aged well for me. The art is fine. I still like Adams of that era just swell...though I've gotten a little bored with it. The story feels incredibly dated and extremely heavy-handed. Yep...I get that it was cutting edge for the time and for a decade or so to follow. My real issue is with that particular scene. I'm fine with old black dude saying what he says. GL's response, however, is laughable. Not just based on his character as established at that point, but in general. The appropriate response was, "I've saved the entire Earth this time and this time and this time and this time. That includes the red-skins and the yellow-skins and the white-skins and the black-skins." GL's response simply doesn't work for me. I know what O'Neil was trying to do. I just don't think he succeeded in any way.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 3, 2017 19:14:02 GMT -5
9. Green Lantern 76-87; 89, by O’Neil and Adams
Knock off the eye-rolls, kids! I know, I know… these are issue-of-the-month morality plays replete with ladlefuls of leftover 60’s liberal pieties, overtly obvious analogues and a tendency toward preachiness. HOW-ever, I’m going to have to pull rank and haul out the old, “Ya hadda be there” response. Nobody in mainstream comics was doing anything close to what Adams and O’Neil were attempting here. We’d already seen O’Neil’s naturalistic stories and Adams’ photo-realistic style resurrect “The” Batman, and when O’Neil let his freak flag fly about so many issues that were dividing the country -- governmental corruption, racism, environmental destruction, pollution, women’s lib, conformity in a culture driven by consumption, the trial of the Chicago Eight (!), and of course, drug addiction – readers like me were first stunned and then elated. “Readers like me” were teenagers who had been set adrift by the sea-change that had begun with the JFK assassination. Thanks in large part to the power of the press, much that we had taken for granted about our country and our culture had been exposed as hollow pretense and we found ourselves on the other side of a deep divide. Realizing that you’ve been lied to, or that you just hadn’t been paying attention, made “readers like me” that much more receptive to O’Neil, Adams and their four-color pilgrims’ progress. To see two DC heroes, who were so “establishment” that they made the Anderson family in “Father Knows Best” look like the Manson Family, and particularly two than whom no one had been stodgier, hit the road Easy Rider style to “look for America” was mind-blowing, if I may use a quaint expression. Read it as a story created in reaction to a tumultuous time and you can forgive at least some of O’Neil’s ham-fisted characterization and melodramatic missteps. Adams’ art, though, is less of its time; in fact, I think it far outshines most of the work he's done in the years since. In Green Arrow’s facial expressions, he captures perfectly the anger and frustration many readers felt; in Green Lantern’s face and body language, he caught equally well the sense of bewilderment and disillusionment others felt at noticing “The Man” behind the curtain. And I still think that the old black man, forever, ironically, and appropriately nameless, who confronts Green Lantern so simply and so eloquently is one of the greatest of all comic book characters. I loved those issues then; I respect them now. PS: "Hard-Traveling heroes" was NEVER the name of this saga. That's the bogus allegedly hip name they gave the reprint collections. This saga shows up much higher on my list. Just a comment about the old black man scene, It has been bashed over the years but I think he meant that Green Lantern was never concerned about the black Ghetto neighborhood. Did they ever show him appearing in those places before Green Lantern # 76? Was there ever a black guy in a GL comic before this ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:41:46 GMT -5
My real issue is with that particular scene. I'm fine with old black dude saying what he says. GL's response, however, is laughable. Not just based on his character as established at that point, but in general. The appropriate response was, "I've saved the entire Earth this time and this time and this time and this time. That includes the red-skins and the yellow-skins and the white-skins and the black-skins." GL's response simply doesn't work for me. I know what O'Neil was trying to do. I just don't think he succeeded in any way. OK that makes sense.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 3, 2017 20:59:36 GMT -5
Not sure how you feel...
You know what they say...one man's trash is another man's treasure!
To expound, now that I'm back from a trip to jail to see clients. 20 or 30 years ago I likely would have put that run of GL on my list. In the interim it really hasn't aged well for me. The art is fine. I still like Adams of that era just swell...though I've gotten a little bored with it. The story feels incredibly dated and extremely heavy-handed. Yep...I get that it was cutting edge for the time and for a decade or so to follow. My real issue is with that particular scene. I'm fine with old black dude saying what he says. GL's response, however, is laughable. Not just based on his character as established at that point, but in general. The appropriate response was, "I've saved the entire Earth this time and this time and this time and this time. That includes the red-skins and the yellow-skins and the white-skins and the black-skins." GL's response simply doesn't work for me. I know what O'Neil was trying to do. I just don't think he succeeded in any way. I see your point. It's certainly over the top for GL, himself but, first approaching this story as an adult, I've always read it on a deeper level - the guy who thought he was doing right all these years and now feeling ashamed of his oversights actually representing DC, their superheroes, and the talents behind them. I see O'Neil and Adams expressing shame for the company, industry, and genre as a whole through that overly remorseful response by Hal. Keep in mind that Adams was intimately involved in the Teen Titans #20 fiasco that had just been white-washed away less than a year ago at this point. That had to be fresh in his mind as he drew this.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 3, 2017 23:02:36 GMT -5
To expound, now that I'm back from a trip to jail to see clients. 20 or 30 years ago I likely would have put that run of GL on my list. In the interim it really hasn't aged well for me. The art is fine. I still like Adams of that era just swell...though I've gotten a little bored with it. The story feels incredibly dated and extremely heavy-handed. Yep...I get that it was cutting edge for the time and for a decade or so to follow. My real issue is with that particular scene. I'm fine with old black dude saying what he says. GL's response, however, is laughable. Not just based on his character as established at that point, but in general. The appropriate response was, "I've saved the entire Earth this time and this time and this time and this time. That includes the red-skins and the yellow-skins and the white-skins and the black-skins." GL's response simply doesn't work for me. I know what O'Neil was trying to do. I just don't think he succeeded in any way. I see your point. It's certainly over the top for GL, himself but, first approaching this story as an adult, I've always read it on a deeper level - the guy who thought he was doing right all these years and now feeling ashamed of his oversights actually representing DC, their superheroes, and the talents behind them. I see O'Neil and Adams expressing shame for the company, industry, and genre as a whole through that overly remorseful response by Hal. Keep in mind that Adams was intimately involved in the Teen Titans #20 fiasco that had just been white-washed away less than a year ago at this point. That had to be fresh in his mind as he drew this. But that's exactly my problem with it. I'm hearing the author's voice, not the character's voice. I know what O'Neil and Adams are saying and want to say. I just don't buy that Hal Jordan is saying that.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 3, 2017 23:04:28 GMT -5
I see your point. It's certainly over the top for GL, himself but, first approaching this story as an adult, I've always read it on a deeper level - the guy who thought he was doing right all these years and now feeling ashamed of his oversights actually representing DC, their superheroes, and the talents behind them. I see O'Neil and Adams expressing shame for the company, industry, and genre as a whole through that overly remorseful response by Hal. Keep in mind that Adams was intimately involved in the Teen Titans #20 fiasco that had just been white-washed away less than a year ago at this point. That had to be fresh in his mind as he drew this. But that's exactly my problem with it. I'm hearing the author's voice, not the character's voice. I know what O'Neil and Adams are saying and want to say. I just don't buy that Hal Jordan is saying that. I guess I considered the symbolic gesture more rewarding than having Carmine Infantino appear in-panel to do it (which wasn't likely to fly anyway).
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Aug 4, 2017 13:25:39 GMT -5
Swamp Thing vol.1 #1-#9 Writer : Len Wein Artist : Berni Wrightson Nohting remind me of my childhood like this. This spawned my firstinterest in anglo saxon comic books and had me fall in love with Wrightson forever, even developping a borderline unhealthy obsesion with him which got me to get a student job during university years for the sole purpose of using the emerging ebay and newely discovered internet at campus, resulting in me spending crazy money on Wrightson stuff, including then-cheap (in retrospect) originals. The story is textbook serial saga, each tiny adventure letting us dwell deeper in hte sadness of this being having to rediscover a world that doesn't recongize his place in it anymore. I can't say I have a favorite chaper in it all, but the more Sci-Fi ones may be those if I had to chose. I must also confess that I even love the later issues of that first volume, elegantly drawn by Nestor Redondo, but I would consider those another story since Wein left after issue #10. Finally, without this, we wouldn't have one of the other greatest sagas in comics, the one crafted by Moore and Co...
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Post by coke & comics on Aug 6, 2017 14:37:34 GMT -5
9 Thanos Sagaby Jim Starlin Iron Man #55, Captain Marvel #25-34, Strange Tales #178-181, Warlock #9-15, Avengers annual 7, Marvel 2-in-1 annual 2, Marvel Graphic Novel #1 Yeah, I'll be the jerk who refuses to split up Starlin's Thanos stuff and makes vote-totaling hard. Why can't I just put the Warlock run? Or even Magus Saga like a normal person. The Magus Saga even has the word "saga" right in it. Because it's Thanos' story first and foremost. Its his character. Obsessed with Death, seeking ultimate power, having it in his grasp and letting it slip away. Yes it's also Captain Marvel's story. The Kree captain who betrayed his own people to fight for a greater good. Who undertook a metaphysical journey to understand that his warrior ways were still bad. And that he needed to become a protector, a true champion of life. Who met his end battling cancer, but had one last battle with Thanos, champion of death, though only his mind. Yes it's also the story of Pip the Troll. He wanted women drinks, and pleasure. And found death. And of Gamora, deadliest woman in the universe. And of Warlock. An artificial man struggling to find his place in the universe. Who learns that he is doomed to become a great villain. And chooses instead a bizarre cosmic suicide that at last brings him peace.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 6, 2017 14:41:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I'll be the jerk who refuses to split up ... I'm beginning to see a theme here
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Aug 6, 2017 14:48:17 GMT -5
Because it's Thanos' story first and foremost. Its his character. Obsessed with Death Thanks, you nailed why the character always left me cold
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