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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 10:08:26 GMT -5
The prices need to come down some that would be a start to helping comics got more popular again. Doesn't mater how much they are if they aren't sold in places where people go. And print comics in periodical format are a niche product with relatively small print runs, so economy of scale works against them in pricing. Prices for niche products are significantly higher than a similar product sold in the mass market because there is a smaller customer base and a lower production amount. As long as print comics are only sold in the direct market to a niche hardcore fanbase at destination shops, they will remain niche product and have a higher price because of it. And since print periodicals is a dinosaur format with no real outlet in the mass market, if comics want to escape the niche market, they need to change format. Selling cheaper comics in a format that no longer appeals to the mass market isn't going to bring more readers in, it will just make the publishers, retailers, etc. less money to sell to the same audience they already have. -M
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 30, 2018 22:42:39 GMT -5
I agree with MRP, I don't think there's any scenario right now where traditional single issue comics can work... there's just not enough bang for one's buck, and costs are too high. Even if they were somehow to go back to newsprint for cheap and sell them for $1, I can't see kids suddenly buying them up.. that $1 can get them an app that'll amuse them for alot more time than a single comic.
I'd love to see American comics try some of the marketing that works for Manga, but sadly that doesn't seem in the cards.
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Post by impulse on May 3, 2018 8:59:31 GMT -5
I apologize for the topic drift, but it seems a logical continuation, so I'll go there anyway... it's interesting that while the original format is well on the decline that the characters and the IP is arguably more popular than ever with the movies, etc. With that said, I am stunned and disappointed that there are not more efforts to capitalize on these characters and their popularity than one of, if not currently the, most popular and profitable format out there right now - video games. I'm not talking the little throwaway mobile apps, but big, AAA games by major studios.
With the absolute superhero slugfest that is Avenges Infinity War, why isn't there an Avengers game with EVERYBODY in it to play and bash and fight? On a similar note, as insanely popular as Harry Potter is, why is there no major Hogwarts game a la Skyrim or World of Warcraft? The fantastical nature of comics and magic lend themselves perfectly to video games especially now that the computing power can really showcase this stuff right. Dedicated fanbases would immerse themselves into the lore and settings, and most importantly for studios, people throw money at video games. There seemed to be a lot of comic and other nerd-related (said with fondness) IPs in the PS2/ OG XBOX era (so like 10-15 years ago) but other than Lego series and the occasional title it's really dwindled off.
Maybe it's not historically as profitable, but could you imagine a God of War-esque game set with Thor in Ragnorak? Or an Arena fighter a la Thor Ragnarok game? That could be a mini game. Dr. Strange game with the physics proven in Portal? The new Spider Man on PS4 looks pretty promising, but I would love more.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 3, 2018 10:27:53 GMT -5
There was a great Marvel MMORPG called Marvel Heroes that I played daily for nearly two years until Disney pulled the plug last fall. So far there is zero indication that anything similar is in the works. I miss playing that game. Every. Damned. Day.
Cei-U! I summon the withdrawal symptoms!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 11:58:36 GMT -5
I apologize for the topic drift, but it seems a logical continuation, so I'll go there anyway... it's interesting that while the original format is well on the decline that the characters and the IP is arguably more popular than ever with the movies, etc. With that said, I am stunned and disappointed that there are not more efforts to capitalize on these characters and their popularity than one of, if not currently the, most popular and profitable format out there right now - video games. I'm not talking the little throwaway mobile apps, but big, AAA games by major studios. With the absolute superhero slugfest that is Avenges Infinity War, why isn't there an Avengers game with EVERYBODY in it to play and bash and fight? On a similar note, as insanely popular as Harry Potter is, why is there no major Hogwarts game a la Skyrim or World of Warcraft? The fantastical nature of comics and magic lend themselves perfectly to video games especially now that the computing power can really showcase this stuff right. Dedicated fanbases would immerse themselves into the lore and settings, and most importantly for studios, people throw money at video games. There seemed to be a lot of comic and other nerd-related (said with fondness) IPs in the PS2/ OG XBOX era (so like 10-15 years ago) but other than Lego series and the occasional title it's really dwindled off. Maybe it's not historically as profitable, but could you imagine a God of War-esque game set with Thor in Ragnorak? Or an Arena fighter a la Thor Ragnarok game? That could be a mini game. Dr. Strange game with the physics proven in Portal? The new Spider Man on PS4 looks pretty promising, but I would love more. Doesn't Marvel have Contest of Champions out there that does just that? I don't play video games any more, so I am unfamiliar with the game, but every time I go to Marvel unlimited the game is prominently advertised in the banner and the ad makes it out to be just that type of game. -M
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 12:01:54 GMT -5
Here's one of the banner ads... and some screen caps... like I said, I am not familiar with the game but there are video games out there trying to capitalize on the popularity. -M
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Post by lobsterjohnson on May 5, 2018 19:46:18 GMT -5
I haven’t played it, but Contest of Champions looks to be a mobile 1 vs 1 fighting game with little to no focus on story. I might be wrong, but I think impulse was talking more about AAA console/PC games.
The Batman Arkham games were popular, so I’m surprised it’s taken this long for Marvel to release a similar AAA Spider-Man game. Square Enix also recently acquired the rights to make some Marvel games, so the developers of the Tomb Raider and Deus Ex reboots are working on those (although I’d rather they make more Deus Ex). And DC’s Injustice series has been around for a few years (I’ve been meaning to pick up Injustice 2 for the Hellboy DLC). But even with these games, I’m still surprised there aren’t more (good) comic-based video games.
If comic-based games do become more prevalent, I hope they don’t all fall into the Batman: Arkham mold. Those are fun games, but there’s a lot of other things that could be done with comic book games too. I’d love a Mirror’s Edge-like superhero game with first-person parkour. And better combat than Mirror’s Edge.
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Post by impulse on May 6, 2018 16:45:21 GMT -5
like I said, I am not familiar with the game but there are video games out there trying to capitalize on the popularity. -M First, thank you for pointing this out. Yes, there are a few, but it's a lot less than I would have expected, and for the ones that are, they're not really what I want. See specifically.. I haven’t played it, but Contest of Champions looks to be a mobile 1 vs 1 fighting game with little to no focus on story. I might be wrong, but I think impulse was talking more about AAA console/PC games. Yes, this is exactly what I mean. Big budget, higher production value, more in line with the MCU experience. Yes, all of this. Especially with popular and good Arkham was. I want games of similar scale, depth, but varying types, for the heroes out there. Modernized stuff like the old X-Men Legacy/Marvel Ultimate Alliance, etc.
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 6, 2018 22:35:47 GMT -5
Most superhero based video games (and there have been plenty), are just not very good.. the publisher has to pay for the license, and they assume the game will sell to fans no matter how good it is. Conversely, people not into Superheroes aren't all that likely to buy it, even if it's great, so there's not a big motivation.
To use your example, if you're going to make a great side scrolling fighter like God of War, why pay for the license to make it a Thor game, when you can make your own versions of the gods? Or start your own franchise, and maybe have it transcend video games.
That said, Injustice hit pretty big. Marvel and DC have both done plenty of app games. Marvel also did Avengers Alliance, which was a pretty deep for a browser game, but it was through a 3rd party (Playdom) and it kinda died when Disney did a 2nd version through facebook. That was a 3 v 3 fighting game where you worked though varies missions to unlock different characters.
DC has a similar one that's still out there, but it's not nearly as good.
Back in the day there were some good ones... Marvel did a few good Gauntlet-type games (Avengers and X-Men based, though there was plenty of overlap character wise), but it's definitely been a while... I think those were PS2.. those getting updated would be nice.
Right now, it seems the only thing they're willing to make are the Lego ones.
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Post by impulse on May 7, 2018 13:20:09 GMT -5
Most superhero based video games (and there have been plenty), are just not very good.. the publisher has to pay for the license, and they assume the game will sell to fans no matter how good it is. Conversely, people not into Superheroes aren't all that likely to buy it, even if it's great, so there's not a big motivation. I know what you mean, and I would have agreed with you for a long time. Most licensed games were crap, particularly superhero, but that was until the Batman Arkham series came out and blew away everyone's expectations. It did away with the old conventional wisdom that a game was either licensed OR good, and they made a kick-ass Batman game that was Batmanny as HELL and sold great, got great reviews, etc. It also worked both ways. It showed publishers and content owners that you need to take more care than just slapping a familiar property on any piece of crap. If you make the game good AND it's a popular character you can have a lot of success. And to your other point, the license has a lot more instant brand recognition than your own version of the gods or whatever. I do understand your point, though. It's just that enough has changed I really wish they could take advantage. The technology has increased several levels, the formula has been tested and proven, and the source material is more popular than ever. I know I'd buy a copy, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 20:30:22 GMT -5
Penguin Random House is launching a new graphic novel imprint aimed at kids and young readers. I'm pretty sure these will be out there where kids and parents buy books and other merchandise and not in the retail ghetto of destination direct market shops that only service hardcore comic book/super-hero fans. It will launch in the fall of 2019, so obviously the big book publishers see revenue potential in the graphic novel market and think there are potential readers/customers out there to tap in to. Curiously it is the same target audience DC is aiming for with their Ink and Zoom lines, and the target audience Marvel has given up on, even licensing all rights for ages/young readers versions of their characters (and Star Wars characters) to IDW instead of pursuing it themselves. -M
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Post by wickedmountain on May 13, 2018 23:30:53 GMT -5
I agree with MRP, I don't think there's any scenario right now where traditional single issue comics can work... there's just not enough bang for one's buck, and costs are too high. Even if they were somehow to go back to newsprint for cheap and sell them for $1, I can't see kids suddenly buying them up.. that $1 can get them an app that'll amuse them for alot more time than a single comic. I'd love to see American comics try some of the marketing that works for Manga, but sadly that doesn't seem in the cards. I didn't mean go that low lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 18:39:42 GMT -5
It looks like Gamestop is experimenting with selling monthly comics. It is very limited though. Only 20 Gamestop locations and 20 ThinkGeek locations will start selling comics and they will only do so via the spinner racks Diamond offered. If successful, Gamestop could expand the number of outlets that sell comics down the road but would still limit it to the spinner rack program. Some of the initial titles ordered look to be Batman, Black Panther, Captain America, Cable, Saga and Rick & Morty and a handful of others. Game Stops are still destination specialty shops, but they are far more accessible than comic shops in terms of numbers, ordering as a chain as a whole could allow them to order enough to get better discounts from Diamond and enhance the profitability of the books for them. It could all crash and burn too, but it is something to look at as comics struggle to find new audiences in old formats. -M
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 12:33:00 GMT -5
DC is doing a tv commercial for the Dark Knights Metal collection hardcoverthat will air on networks such as AMC, SyFy, TBS,TNT and TruTV. Here's the commercial... I am glad to see DC reaching out for new audiences, but it isn;t a very good commercial-too choppy and too many quick cuts to give a potential customer a chance to figure out what is going on and if they want to read it. Too much flash (literally everything is flashing) and not enough substance on the commercial. If I didn't already know what Dark Knights Metal was going in, I would still have no clue coming out of the commercial, and that;s the problem, it doesn't give a hook for potential customers to be reeled in. It feels like something geared towards hardcore comic fans instead of a general audience that might be interested in comics, and that's the problem, TV ads should capture the interest of the general audience, not sell to those already likely to bad in an outreach program like this. So valiant effort and I hope it works, but I think the commercial itself needed to be better. If it doesn't work, I hope they realize that it was a bad commercial and not rush to judge that TV advertising doesn't work. It could with a better constructed commercial. -M
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Post by brutalis on Jun 7, 2018 13:31:26 GMT -5
It looks like Gamestop is experimenting with selling monthly comics. It is very limited though. Only 20 Gamestop locations and 20 ThinkGeek locations will start selling comics and they will only do so via the spinner racks Diamond offered. If successful, Gamestop could expand the number of outlets that sell comics down the road but would still limit it to the spinner rack program. Some of the initial titles ordered look to be Batman, Black Panther, Captain America, Cable, Saga and Rick & Morty and a handful of others. Game Stops are still destination specialty shops, but they are far more accessible than comic shops in terms of numbers, ordering as a chain as a whole could allow them to order enough to get better discounts from Diamond and enhance the profitability of the books for them. It could all crash and burn too, but it is something to look at as comics struggle to find new audiences in old formats. -M This would be an awesome thing. There are 4 Gamestops in my neighborhood within a 5-10 minute drive away whereas nearest LCS's are 20 minutes and 30 minutes drive respectively. To be able to pop in and out regularly without making a "special effort/trip" makes a large difference as to current/new comics I might wish to buy.
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