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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 18, 2017 17:11:17 GMT -5
I know a lot of people haven't seen the entire series yet so I won't start with spoilers myself. I'll just say that I thought the series overall was decent, but not great. I kept thinking that for having to juggle all of these characters from previous series they did a fairly good job. Even the supporting characters from the past shows got some air time. Not every single one, but a good amount of them. I am anxious to see what happens from here as at the end we are left with a big chapter being closed. I'm not sure if it's her acting or whatever, but I still found Colleen Wing the most interesting character.
This does make me want to watch season 1 and 2 of Daredevil again. Oh and Danny is still lackluster at martial arts for the title of Iron Fist. Don't think that is really a spoiler though.
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Aug 22, 2017 7:10:22 GMT -5
It was pretty good, but overall disappointing. The villains were just not interesting and not threatening. Some of the interactions between the main 4 were great, but the overall plot was weak because the villains' scheme was too vague and in the end too small despite being more mystical than it needed to be.
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Post by rom on Aug 22, 2017 8:52:12 GMT -5
I just finished watching Netflix's The Defenders & found the show superb, gripping, and well-done. I'm a big fan of the all of the previous Netflix Marvel series (DD S1-2; JJ; LC & IF) & liked how this built up on what we saw on those previous shows, but also expanded the characters/mythos.
-I liked how the various investigations that the different characters were conducting ending up bringing them all to together. It was also obvious that, while these characters may have worked well on their own in the previous series, coming up against "The Hand" in full force required them to reluctantly team up, otherwise they would probably all have been killed (with the possible exception of LC).
-Cool to see Sigourney Weaver in a major role again. I liked her comment to the restaurant owner about the food she was eating, making it obvious her character had been living for thousands of years.
- Really dug the NYC setting. As in the previous Netflix Marvel series, NYC may as well have been another character in the show.
-Seeing DD in action in his street clothes & using Jessica's scarf as an impromptu "mask" (in the fight scene in the office building & in the restaurant) was very organic; i.e. he didn't have time to get to his suit, so just used what he had on-hand.
- Matt/DD's initial reluctance to talk about his secret identity/powers with the others (in the restaurant) went along with the whole point of super-heroes having double lives (to protect themselves & their loved ones). DD's take on the whole concept was obviously different than the others, who were apparently fine with not having a secret identity.
-The final scene of Matt Murdock lying seriously injured in the religious mission hospital?! (after being presumed dead) was taken straight out of the iconic '80's "Born Again" DD comic book storyline (by Frank Miller & David Mazzuchelli). I always though Netflix would incorporate BA into the DD series, given that the Kingpin seemed to guess Matt's DD identity at the very end of DD S02 (during the meeting in the jail).
So, I suspect that S03 of DD will almost certainly be an adaptation of Born Again, with certain details changed - of course.
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Post by Warmonger on Aug 23, 2017 8:51:35 GMT -5
Just finished it
Meh
It's decent, but somewhat of a letdown for me. Iron Fist once again is the weak link, Sigourney Weaver wasn't nearly as great in her role as I thought she'd be, the sets and costumes look cheap as hell, etc.
Overall, I haven't been nearly as impressed with these Netflix Marvel shows as many others have.
Daredevil is the only show that I would consider better than "okay". And take away the Punisher and limited scenes of Fisk in the 2nd season, and that sophomore effort would've been a huge letdown as well.
I'm just hoping that The Punisher is worthwhile. At least Bernthal can act circles around the rest of them.
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Aug 23, 2017 9:19:09 GMT -5
I think all of the Netflix Marvel series were great except for Iron Fist, which I didn't bother with. Jessica Jones was the best, followed by Daredevil. Luke Cage was also really good, but it felt like it was repeating Daredevil season 1 too much.
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Post by Warmonger on Aug 25, 2017 8:57:09 GMT -5
I think all of the Netflix Marvel series were great except for Iron Fist, which I didn't bother with. Jessica Jones was the best, followed by Daredevil. Luke Cage was also really good, but it felt like it was repeating Daredevil season 1 too much. If it wasn't for Kilgrave, I don't even know if I would've made it through Jessica Jones. Luke Cage felt like a slog to get through as well to me and Iron Fist was basically straight up doo-doo. Just from a pure writing and pacing standpoint...the first season of Daredevil is still the best IMO. The 2nd season was on pace to eclipse it for the first quarter of the show and then it became a jumbled mess when they introduced Elektra and The Hand. The stuff between Daredevil and Frank was GREAT and the limited scenes of Kingpin in prison were superb (especially the confrontation between him and Murdock). But everything else dragged it down. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Sept 1, 2017 17:41:29 GMT -5
I liked how the characters interacted, and I think the action was great but the threat was very ill defined and the I felt the revelation of the Dragon Bones needed a lot more setup.
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Post by spoon on Sept 1, 2017 22:23:56 GMT -5
The dynamics between the four leads was very good, particularly Jessica Jones's attitude, because Krysten Ritter is an acting genius. Some of the action scenes were great, particularly the traditional Marvel/Netflix hallway fight. I also love the way the supporting casts of the various solo series were integrated.
On the other hand, I felt the series lost steam later on, in part because I'm so-so on the villains. Using master manipulator villains who are seemingly omnipotent is a risky proposition. If the Hand are such great puppet-masters, why don't they just kill our heroes in their sleep? If Alexandra can slip into the Chinese restaurant unnoticed, how was Elektra able to take her out so easily? And I know Sigourney Weaver is a legend, particularly in sci-fi and action movies, but Alexandra was an uninspiring character. She doesn't fight anyone. She the leader of the Hand because . . . she has the superpowers of being bossy and condescending?
I'm glad that Misty Knight will now get her bionic arm. I have never been so happy about a horrific amputation.
I've heard people speculate that Daredevil season 3 will adapt Born Again, because the final scene of the Defenders was evocative of a scene from that arc. But that doesn't really make sense. Born Again was about Matt coming back from having his life destroyed. He was betrayed by Karen, disbarred, had his home destroyed, his possessions annihilated, his reputation besmirched, his sanity shaken, and physically beaten to his limits. With the exception of that last one, none of those are really the case at the end of The Defenders.
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Post by Warmonger on Sept 1, 2017 23:03:45 GMT -5
The dynamics between the four leads was very good, particularly Jessica Jones's attitude, because Krysten Ritter is an acting genius. Some of the action scenes were great, particularly the traditional Marvel/Netflix hallway fight. I also love the way the supporting casts of the various solo series were integrated. On the other hand, I felt the series lost steam later on, in part because I'm so-so on the villains. Using master manipulator villains who are seemingly omnipotent is a risky proposition. If the Hand are such great puppet-masters, why don't they just kill our heroes in their sleep? If Alexandra can slip into the Chinese restaurant unnoticed, how was Elektra able to take her out so easily? And I know Sigourney Weaver is a legend, particularly in sci-fi and action movies, but Alexandra was an uninspiring character. She doesn't fight anyone. She the leader of the Hand because . . . she has the superpowers of being bossy and condescending? I'm glad that Misty Knight will now get her bionic arm. I have never been so happy about a horrific amputation. I've heard people speculate that Daredevil season 3 will adapt Born Again, because the final scene of the Defenders was evocative of a scene from that arc. But that doesn't really make sense. Born Again was about Matt coming back from having his life destroyed. He was betrayed by Karen, disbarred, had his home destroyed, his possessions annihilated, his reputation besmirched, his sanity shaken, and physically beaten to his limits. With the exception of that last one, none of those are really the case at the end of The Defenders. Karen Page is playing a role in the upcoming Punisher series. I wouldn't be surprised if they do some iteration of her downfall there. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Sept 2, 2017 9:24:26 GMT -5
The dynamics between the four leads was very good, particularly Jessica Jones's attitude, because Krysten Ritter is an acting genius. Some of the action scenes were great, particularly the traditional Marvel/Netflix hallway fight. I also love the way the supporting casts of the various solo series were integrated. On the other hand, I felt the series lost steam later on, in part because I'm so-so on the villains. Using master manipulator villains who are seemingly omnipotent is a risky proposition. If the Hand are such great puppet-masters, why don't they just kill our heroes in their sleep? If Alexandra can slip into the Chinese restaurant unnoticed, how was Elektra able to take her out so easily? And I know Sigourney Weaver is a legend, particularly in sci-fi and action movies, but Alexandra was an uninspiring character. She doesn't fight anyone. She the leader of the Hand because . . . she has the superpowers of being bossy and condescending? I'm glad that Misty Knight will now get her bionic arm. I have never been so happy about a horrific amputation. I've heard people speculate that Daredevil season 3 will adapt Born Again, because the final scene of the Defenders was evocative of a scene from that arc. But that doesn't really make sense. Born Again was about Matt coming back from having his life destroyed. He was betrayed by Karen, disbarred, had his home destroyed, his possessions annihilated, his reputation besmirched, his sanity shaken, and physically beaten to his limits. With the exception of that last one, none of those are really the case at the end of The Defenders. I think they could easily tie in those other elements, like he comes back and discovers he was exposed after the fight with the hand. It wouldn't be exact but I think you could hit similar notes and tell a good story. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 14:45:57 GMT -5
Slow start, but I', 5 eps in an committed enough that I'd binge watch, if I could do without inciting divorce  Don't think it's anywhere near the level of DD1 or JJ, but considerably better than both LC and IF series, and on a par with the Hand bits of DD2. As ever, the villains are the limiting factor - even with a major name like Sigourney Weaver on board, the Hand are not the level of over-riding menace that Kingpin and Killgrave were |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Sept 8, 2017 19:10:17 GMT -5
Slow start, but I', 5 eps in an committed enough that I'd binge watch, if I could do without inciting divorce . Don't think it's anywhere near the level of DD1 or JJ, but considerably better than both LC and IF series, and on a par with the Hand bits of DD2. As ever, the villains are the limiting factor - even with a major name like Sigourney Weaver on board, the Hand are not the level of over-riding menace that Kingpin and Killgrave were See, I think Luke Cage was fantastic though not as great as DD season 1. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 3:50:08 GMT -5
LC was well realised, but I found it really dull - felt like they had decided on 13 episodes and ran with it even though they had maybe 8 episodes of story.
Finished Defenders now, and overall it was pretty good - a bit too fond of fights in the dark, but IF wasn't as awful as he was in his solo series (though I still think he's a terrible actor), and nice setup for DD3
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 3:52:20 GMT -5
I've heard people speculate that Daredevil season 3 will adapt Born Again, because the final scene of the Defenders was evocative of a scene from that arc. But that doesn't really make sense. Born Again was about Matt coming back from having his life destroyed. He was betrayed by Karen, disbarred, had his home destroyed, his possessions annihilated, his reputation besmirched, his sanity shaken, and physically beaten to his limits. With the exception of that last one, none of those are really the case at the end of The Defenders. Add his mother, Maggie the Nun into there as well - you have the basic outline of the story without being a direct re-run. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 11, 2017 13:46:59 GMT -5
I think all of the Netflix Marvel series were great except for Iron Fist, which I didn't bother with. Jessica Jones was the best, followed by Daredevil. Luke Cage was also really good, but it felt like it was repeating Daredevil season 1 too much. I agree to a point, but was very surprised by how good Luke Cage turned out to be. The plot was solid, the performance of many actors was outstanding and there were just enough Easter eggs for us old fans. The development of Claire's character was very engaging, making her one of the best characters in the Marvel TV universe. I loved Jessica Jones. I think grounded series work better than more fantasy-oriented ones, which was partly the problem I had with Daredevil season 2 (after the Punisher arc), Iron fist and now Defenders. |
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