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Post by Nowhere Man on Oct 1, 2017 6:44:06 GMT -5
Any thought that Cage would be pro-goverment, pro-registration just shows a complete and total misunderstanding of the character. There are occasional stories wher you think - "the writer just has no understanding at all of this character". The one that really did that for me was this one from FF566:  The idea that Doom... Doom!... would kneel to anyone, let alone anyone called "the Marquis of Death", is just so ludicrous, show's such a total lack of understanding of the character, that the reader's jaw just drops in disbelief at the cluelessness of the writer. Mark Millar take a bow - one of the low points of your terrible run on the FF. Couldn't agree more. There are a handful of creators that should be allowed to legally write Doctor Doom: Stan Lee, Roy Thomas, John Byrne, Walt Simonson and Roger Stern make up this very exclusive group. Even the otherwise great Mark Waid totally missed the mark with his FF run, but I'm of the mind that he intentionally went for a character assassination given that he admitted that he never could accept the noble megalomaniac persona that Byrne in particular did so well. I really detest the idea that we can't have "above it all" villains who do show signs of nobility and honor, at least when it suites them. Most modern creators tend to skew far left and I suspect that this is why they're usually so terrible at writing awe inspiring master villains; their personal politics get in the way. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 1, 2017 6:53:09 GMT -5
Parody-an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.
It's a serious on going book with obvious copies of known DC characters. I'm guessing that the characters wee copyrighted back when they came out and DC didn't fight it.
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 1, 2017 6:55:51 GMT -5
There are occasional stories wher you think - "the writer just has no understanding at all of this character". The one that really did that for me was this one from FF566: The idea that Doom... Doom!... would kneel to anyone, let alone anyone called "the Marquis of Death", is just so ludicrous, show's such a total lack of understanding of the character, that the reader's jaw just drops in disbelief at the cluelessness of the writer. Mark Millar take a bow - one of the low points of your terrible run on the FF. Couldn't agree more. There are a handful of creators that should be allowed to legally write Doctor Doom: Stan Lee, Roy Thomas, John Byrne, Walt Simonson and Roger Stern make up this very exclusive group. Even the otherwise great Mark Waid totally missed the mark with his FF run, but I'm of the mind that he intentionally went for a character assassination given that he admitted that he never could accept the noble megalomaniac persona that Byrne in particular did so well. I really detest the idea that we can't have "above it all" villains who do show signs of nobility and honor, at least when it suites them. Most modern creators tend to skew far left and I suspect that this is why they're usually so terrible at writing awe inspiring master villains; their personal politics get in the way. I really enjoyed the Mark Millar run. It might be the last time I really liked the FF. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 1, 2017 11:46:09 GMT -5
It's a legitimate question as to why DC allows Marvel to continue publishing books about the Squadron Supreme and Hyperion. I would assume that it a) borders on parody rules and b) Marvel isn't Fawcett and simply has too many powerful lawyers to tangle with. Slam Bradly would obviously be the one with the informed opinion here, but I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that trying to sue a powerful company for a "rip-off" that's not a direct rip-off (different physically appearance, costume, etc.) is tricky legally. I know a bit about the legalities of parody (at least the definitions I've read) and I'd bet that the Squadron falls under that. Really, that's all they are: a JLA parody. Initially they were protected as parody. At this point they probably aren't. But it wouldn't be worthwhile for DC to sue over very marginal characters. Has any book with the Squadron Supreme or Hyperion lasted more an a couple years? National/DC was aggressive in the 30s and 40s because you had blatant rip-offs like Amazing-Man and because you had marginal cases like Captain Marvel, but that marginal case ate a big hole in DC's bottom line. In the cost/benefit analysis DC gains nothing by suing Marvel over minor characters. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 1, 2017 14:28:06 GMT -5
That might change if a movie or TV show is proposed about the Squadron Supreme characters.
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Post by berkley on Oct 1, 2017 23:36:56 GMT -5
There are occasional stories wher you think - "the writer just has no understanding at all of this character". The one that really did that for me was this one from FF566: The idea that Doom... Doom!... would kneel to anyone, let alone anyone called "the Marquis of Death", is just so ludicrous, show's such a total lack of understanding of the character, that the reader's jaw just drops in disbelief at the cluelessness of the writer. Mark Millar take a bow - one of the low points of your terrible run on the FF. Couldn't agree more. There are a handful of creators that should be allowed to legally write Doctor Doom: Stan Lee, Roy Thomas, John Byrne, Walt Simonson and Roger Stern make up this very exclusive group. Even the otherwise great Mark Waid totally missed the mark with his FF run, but I'm of the mind that he intentionally went for a character assassination given that he admitted that he never could accept the noble megalomaniac persona that Byrne in particular did so well. I really detest the idea that we can't have "above it all" villains who do show signs of nobility and honor, at least when it suites them. Most modern creators tend to skew far left and I suspect that this is why they're usually so terrible at writing awe inspiring master villains; their personal politics get in the way. I definitely got the impression that Millar was just being deliberately provocative, that he knew he'd get a rise out of Doom-fans, and that that was just what he wanted. I think he has a secret (or perhaps not all that secret) contempt for his medium and his audience that comes through at moments like this. And I don't think he's alone in this, among modern writers. And I say this while having some (not a lot, but some) sympathy with his feelings: comics fans can get kind of crazy about their favourites and it's understandable that it would get on a writer's nerves having to deal with that craziness at times. But this isn't the right way to deal with that exasperation. I think it would have been much more interesting if Millar had written a Doom that met fan-expectations in every way - and yet at the same time demonstrated that those expectations are untenable. Instead, Millar gave fans an easy out: the Doom he wrote was so obviously out of character, they could just feel outraged and didn't have to even think about examining their attitude towards the character. |
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Post by lordyam on Oct 9, 2019 15:45:18 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more. There are a handful of creators that should be allowed to legally write Doctor Doom: Stan Lee, Roy Thomas, John Byrne, Walt Simonson and Roger Stern make up this very exclusive group. Even the otherwise great Mark Waid totally missed the mark with his FF run, but I'm of the mind that he intentionally went for a character assassination given that he admitted that he never could accept the noble megalomaniac persona that Byrne in particular did so well. I really detest the idea that we can't have "above it all" villains who do show signs of nobility and honor, at least when it suites them. Most modern creators tend to skew far left and I suspect that this is why they're usually so terrible at writing awe inspiring master villains; their personal politics get in the way. I really enjoyed the Mark Millar run. It might be the last time I really liked the FF. A little late but Jonathan Hickman did a FANTASTIC Doom by showing him as someone who really does have good intentions but is so consumed by anger and arrogance that he undoes his own efforts. Secret Wars 2015 really should have been the end of the Fantastic 4 since Doom undergoes great development, letting go of his hatred and becoming a hero |
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Post by rberman on Oct 9, 2019 15:58:59 GMT -5
That might change if a movie or TV show is proposed about the Squadron Supreme characters. Even right now on TV The Boyz is a clear JLA pastiche. That shows that "JLA reimagined as edgy and dark" can be legally done (and done pretty well), but how many different times will the market bear it in a short spell? |
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Post by profh0011 on Oct 9, 2019 16:47:55 GMT -5
I hate that thought balloons are not longer used. Same for footnotes. When I do my stuff (which hasn't been much, lately), I defnitely use thought balloons.
But more amusingly... while translating a POE comics adaptation from Brazil, I actually ADDED a footnote to explain a reference that was in the narration. I got a kick out of doing that.  |
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 9, 2019 16:53:42 GMT -5
I HATE mega-crossover events that interrupt every ongoing series.
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Post by Duragizer on Oct 9, 2019 16:59:06 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the Mark Millar run. It might be the last time I really liked the FF. A little late but Jonathan Hickman did a FANTASTIC Doom by showing him as someone who really does have good intentions but is so consumed by anger and arrogance that he undoes his own efforts. Secret Wars 2015 really should have been the end of the Fantastic 4 since Doom undergoes great development, letting go of his hatred and becoming a hero Yeah, but retiring a popular character — or, God forbid, characters — for good and for all on a high note would cost the artless corporations future coin. So the FF & co. must continue in comic book samsara. |
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Post by profh0011 on Oct 9, 2019 17:18:49 GMT -5
I think Perez worked very hard to bring back the core of who Superman was, and after he left, the rest of the team stuck with that. I never really thought much about this in the context of SUPERMAN, since Perez was just one part of a much-bigger-than-usual team.
However, this sounds right, when I think about something I've noticed about Perez in general over most of his career.
That is, I've taken to saying... "George Perez had a way of contributing to any book he worked on to the point where he tended to make EVERY writer he worked with look like they knew what they were doing."
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Post by profh0011 on Oct 9, 2019 17:23:40 GMT -5
Byrne's first Iron Fist story was in Marvel Premiere #25 (October 1975). I dunno if that was his first Marvel credit but regardless it's still after Roy stepped down as EIC. I definitely remember when that IF episode came out, as I was reading the series from the beginning.
At the time, I thought he was a major step down from Pat Broderick, and for several issues, wondered if this new guy even really knew how to draw. NO, REALLY. It may have been partly a printing problem or an inking problem (or both), but when Dan Adkins got on the book, Byrne's art looked better.
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Post by profh0011 on Oct 9, 2019 17:32:53 GMT -5
That lawsuit always baffled me, can't believe how DC screwed over Fawcett! The characters are not that similar except for the super strength and both having a cape. That type of lawsuit would be laughed out of court today. I didn't realize that Captain Marvel flew before Superman, interesting fact. Here's the funny story I heard.
In reaction to the success of SUPERMAN, "everyone" wanted a piece of that action. Some were more blatent than others, and a few were sued out of existence.
Over at Fawcett... allegedly, the editors told their staff to SPECIFICALLY create a RIP-OFF of Superman. REALLY.
However... the writers & artists involved had TOO MUCH talent and integrity to "simply" do a blatent swipe... and instead, got "creative"... and depending on how you look at it, in their own way, came up with something very different, and possibly even BETTER than what had inspired them.
The result of this? CAPTAIN MARVEL wound up OUT-SELLING Superman about 2 to 1. That's what really pissed off National. Not just the imitation-- but that CM was MORE SUCCESSFUL and MORE POPULAR than Superman.
"Hey! Those bastards are stealing OUR money!!!!"
The lawsuit went on for years on end, actually being tossed out of court several times. But National KEPT suing!!!
Eventually, the drop in sales of ALL comics across the board, coupled with the INCESSANT legal bills and hassles, made Fawcett decide to SETTLE OUT OF COURT. They agreed to stop publishing Captain Marvel (they were basically getting out of comics entirely anyway) and in return National would DROP the non-stop lawsuits.
Funny thing, though... when CM stopped being published, at least 2 overseas licensees didn't wanna let go. Down in Brazil, new episodes of CM continued being created by Brazillian writers & artists for years. Meanwhile, in England, the publisher hired Mick Anglo to create a replacement series, and the result-- MARVELMAN-- became the most successful and longest-running superhero in the history of English comic-books, running for 346 issues.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 18:51:20 GMT -5
I HATE mega-crossover events that interrupt ever ongoing series. Well said. It's got out of hand. I mean, when I read about "War of the Realms", which I was mildly intrigued by, I thought, 'In the 80s, this would have been a done-and-dusted six or 12-issue series.' But I guess it interrupted every ongoing series, right? Less really is more. |
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