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Post by Jesse on Sept 21, 2017 16:23:54 GMT -5
SJW is also fairly amusing as far as derogatory terms go, because of its quasi-oxymoronic combination of the terms "social justice" and "warrior", which seem to go as well together as "Brutal" and "Buddhism". I find the term to be pretty much exactly like "Politically Correct." A term that means pretty much, I disagree with that person, but can't actually articulate why. I'll add that I'm perplexed as to when being in favor of social justice became a problem. I thought that's what we were supposed to strive for. The fact that there are dumbasses who say stupid stuff doesn't change that. I also have a hard time with promoting the use that has largely grown out of the alt-right/Men's Rights/gamergate ilk. I've also read the term keyboard warrior used before but more recently with SJW it seems to be the new derogatory term that the right uses against the left similarly to the way "bleeding heart" or "knee jerk liberal" have been used in the past. All of which I've seen used as a way to shut down conversation as opposed to actually making points to support their positions. Although I never understood how having empathy or compassion for your fellow human beings can be considered as being a bad thing whatsoever. |
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Post by Jesse on Sept 21, 2017 16:24:50 GMT -5
The remark in question consisted of me telling my mate that I preferred the "blue Batman" of the 70's and early 80's because the new one is too broody and dark for my tastes. Blue and grey Batman is the best Batman! ...there I said it. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 21, 2017 16:24:55 GMT -5
I simply don't deal with it and ignore it. I have no time in my life nor patience for negativity. It's absolutely silly how seriously some people take their funny books. That being said it's probably easier to ignore those types of people while avoiding social media in general. I made the mistake of reading the comments section on YouTube and Instagram before and will likely never do so again. That way lies madness. |
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Post by Jesse on Sept 21, 2017 16:28:00 GMT -5
Indeed. "Abandon all hope for humanity ye who enter there". |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 21, 2017 16:36:22 GMT -5
Calling a referee "blind" because he missed something on the tennis court is not an insult to the blind, and insisting that no one use the term "blind" is not social justice. The vast majority of us can agree on where to trace the line between what is and what is not social justice, and the blurry zone between the two is kind of narrow (and should be open to discussion rather than immediate condemnation by either side). I am going to play devil's advocate. Daredevil away, Captain! That's a tough one, all right. Clearly calling someone with developmental disabilities "retard" is an unacceptably cruel insult. So is "retarded", even if it is slightly more descriptive. But if we can't use the word "retarded" in its proper context (as in describing an individual whose intellectual development is not as fast or as complete as the average) because it is an insult, it should follow that the only time it can be used is when insulting someone to whom the term would not normally apply. The only other option is to pretend the word does not exist, and never use it... never at all. That, however, is a bad idea. As I could witness with my kids' generation, banning a word that can be used as an insult (in their case, it was "mongol") and replacing it with a more appropriate synonym ("trisomic") only displaced the problem: within a few months, "trisomic" was the insult of choice. When a word for a sad or tragic reality becomes an insult, changing the word does nothing to change said reality. And therefore any new word we come up with can become an insult in turn. The only times I hear youngsters say something is gay, it's in a humorous and ribbing way...So I don't know if gay people take offence at it. Maybe someone with more experience can chime in on this. If someone made such an argument, I would indeed view them as SJW. Besides, people of low intellect are not necessarily stupid. Stupid is as stupid does, as the saying goes. Anyone can be stupid, irrespective of their IQ. I am not blind but am extremely short-sighted. I see as poorly as a mole or a bat. My condition means I cannot see from afar... even from three centimeters away. A common insulting expression to describe someone who makes very short-term decisions without considering any long-term implication is to call them "short-sighted". Most politicians are very short-sighted in that sense. Do I take offence when a politician is said to be short-sighted because they can't see beyond the next election? Not at all. I think their behaviour is perfectly illustrated by the biological equivalent of not being able to physically see beyond the tip of one's nose. I would imagine it is the same with blind people. When Carey Price completely fails to see the puck (which, you realize, is a fantasy scenario of outlandish proportions!), he acts as if he were blind. To say so aloud is no slight on blind people: they, at least, have a physical reason for not seeing pucks. We must stop talking, then. (I mean not you and I, but society as a whole). As you say, we have no way of knowing what may be insulting to other people. No joke, people saying "I will pray for you" when I'm in trouble is something I find extremely insulting. Should people stop saying that? No, of course not. I am the one being overly sensitive when that happens. Someone saying "I will pray for you" is no more an imposition of their religious views than saying "Carey must be blind!" is an insult to blind people. It is not an insult to blind people to mention the fact that blind people don't see. (At least I don't think so!) |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 21, 2017 17:15:37 GMT -5
I simply don't deal with it and ignore it. I have no time in my life nor patience for negativity. It's absolutely silly how seriously some people take their funny books. That being said it's probably easier to ignore those types of people while avoiding social media in general. I made the mistake of reading the comments section on YouTube and Instagram before and will likely never do so again. This is what I would answer to the OP. Also why this is the only comic forum I post on. (And why in the end 99% of my posting on CBR was in Classic Comics Forum.) I am also glad there is a video game thread here too, since gamers can be dicks about their hobby too. The console vs PC argument alone is vapid. To the SJW term, it's really nothing new. As Jesse mentioned, in my first times on the internet in the 90's it was keyboard warrior. In times before the internet it was armchair warrior. All things, as I understood them to be, people who proclaim they are all for this, that, or the other, because it's easy to do from the comfort of your Lazyboy and/or keyboard. I agree with what RR said earlier in the thread that a lot of this nastiness on humanity's part is a response to the internet. A safe place to be either be who you are or a complete ass, with little to no consequences. That makes people easily combative and quick tempered. And the internet has been around long enough (more than the entire existence of both my boys) that is starting to spill over into face to face interactions. But SJW and other terms can be miss used as a insult over a descriptive word to describe a group's behavior. For instance, I don't use gay as homosexual. I find it troubling. Even if homosexual people themselves have embraced it as a non-insulting term. If I were to use the word gay it would be in that word's original meaning, which would be pointless in this day and age. And I have to constantly remind me kids of that even though, "this is gay" is just synonymous with "this is lame" but still nothing I want my kids saying none the less. I grew up with an uncle that was mentally retarded. That was the term that was used at that time to describe his handicap. Yeah kids called each other retards on the playground and stuff too, but my sister and I never did, because our parents taught use that because of our uncle. But I don't think the word is a bad thing to say in the correct way. This is why I also agree with RR above in answer to Captain about what is crossing the line and what isn't. My two life examples explain how some things aren't something I say. But I also don't get bent out of shape when people use them. The only reason I get on my boys about it is because they need to understand the ramifications of words to individuals they meet. Just not in general. Like how they can't use the n word but many times if I am listening to rap and singing it while cooking, I repeat the word. My son heard me one time (who now likes Biggie's Big Poppa) and I told him why it was different. Context matters in a lot of these situations and it doesn't always apply as a blanket statement for the whole country/race/species. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 17:45:32 GMT -5
 If that is how they act, it is they who should be concerned as they are small, petty people. Ignore them, their attitude will eventually bite them on the ass. -M |
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 22, 2017 0:54:14 GMT -5
I left it behind years ago; but that was due to general disinterest in what was being published, rather than people at my local shop. In person, I found things to be fairly cordial and never had problems with anyone in that environment. I've seen more venom online; but that is from typical cowards who use anonymity to elevate themselves by bringing others down. I can handle that bunch pretty easily; but, don't waste much time in their environments. I stopped going to the imdb boards for comic book movies, as they had more trolls than a Norwegian folk pageant. Everyone wanted to make everything DC vs Marvel, oblivious to the fact that the comic companies don't run the studios adapting their characters. They may be part of the same conglomerate; but, the publishing people have F-all say in the movies. They may give notes; but, the movie people tend to ignore them. Now, I'm assuming, based on your screen name and the "b***** comment" that you are female. So, that probably lends an element for which I have no experience. I'm a white Anglo-Saxon male and grew up in a small town, without real cliques in school. So, I've never had to face misogyny, racism, anti-semitism, or other prejudices, apart from stupid comments by younger idiots, when I was an adult and I just shook my head at them and walked away, or did a Cyrano and taunted them with their lack of creativity. - Yes I am and was with another woman when the incedent happened. Also, in a woman owned shop. The people making the comment were two lads on their 20's.Why someone would say that is probably because they have trouble with the opposite sex and felt threatened by someone disagreeing with them (again, assuming you are female). These days, it seems people have to have their tastes validated and someone not liking what they like makes them feel insecure and they lash out. Look at the state of politics and general discussions. Again, the internet lowers the discourse, due to lack of immediate consequences. My best advice is try not to let idiots like that bother you and recognize that it is their own insecurity at play, and focus on what you like. Again, I can't speak to the environment of your shop. If it is becoming oppressive, try an alternate, if available, or stick with communities like this. There are enough alternatives for getting comics that a shop that tolerates that kind of behavior doesn't have to be a fact My best general advice is be true to yourself and others will respond well to that; at least, the ones who really matter. Jack-asses like that don't matter and they know it. That's why they lash out. - The remark in question consisted of me telling my mate that I preferred the "blue Batman" of the 70's and early 80's because the new one is too broody and dark for my tastes. Just a comment in passing really as we looked over the racks. I can only assume this person disagreed with my assessment but even so, what a reaction.I agree, it is a massive over-reaction. I think we are talking about someone with deep insecurities; probably in social interactions, in general, and with the opposite sex, in particular. The fact that you differ in opinion reinforces his built in idea that his problems with women lie with them, not within himself. Had the topic been about one of the recent era gender-swap stories, like the female Thor, and you said you preferred that to the original, I could see where a comment like that might come up, though in a manner like that it still suggests someone with psychological issues. I would say you ran across someone with really deep issues that had nothing to do with anything you said or your opinion. Is this an isolated interest or have you seen similar antagonistic behaviors in that shop? Or in other comic circles? If it was just that incident, I wouldn't let it push you away from something you love. If it is typical of things you have dealt with there, then I would say a change in environment would be good. I'm over 50 and it does feel like the world has devolved more than a bit, in terms of social interaction. The media are more aggressive and sensationalistic, people seem to react in more extreme manners and basic courtesies seem to be forgotten. A lot of it is related to increased urbanization and the general pace of life and stresses put on people, not to mention the loss of a sense of community. Still, every now and then, I see the other side and see people step up when need calls; so, there is hope. I still say, try to focus on what you love about comics and the comic community places, real or virtual, that you enjoy and don't let one insecure moron taint it. Personally, I probably would have probably fired back verbally, over the insulting comment; but, you have to feel comfortable and confident to do that It's easy to say that without seeing the context of the situation. I would have probably challenged the idea that liking an earlier version better is hardly social crusading and tell them that that the only "b****" around here is the one that gave birth to them. Then again, that might not be helpful, but it does feel good, sometimes. Probably a bit more enlightened to challenge the reaction, saying that's a rather extreme statement, when I merely said I prefer one take on a character to a more recent one; hardly social crusading. Or, if I was really sarcastic, I would borrow a line from the movie Stripes and say, "Lighten up, Francis; I said I preferred the early take on Batman to the more recent ones, not that it's the only one that should be done. Oh, and Batman doesn't have a potty-mouth, so take a lesson from him!" 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Post by The Captain on Sept 22, 2017 6:14:28 GMT -5
Roquefort Raider and adamwarlock2099 I really liked both of your responses. This is a difficult subject, and one that doesn't have any easy answers. Personally, I believe people have grown too thin-skinned and have lost the ability to just let things go. Social media facilitates outrage, over both real issues and manufactured ones, leaving us with the ongoing task of having to filter through the noise to determine what is truly rage-worthy and what is just SJW/keyboard warrior/perpetually-aggrieved person whining. Much respect to both of you, and I'm glad we can have these types of conversations without it devolving into an argument.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 22, 2017 11:54:16 GMT -5
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Post by thwhtguardian on Sept 22, 2017 12:22:20 GMT -5
I think we can give him a better salute than that: |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Sept 22, 2017 22:44:53 GMT -5
@willow First off, I'm sorry to hear you had to experience that. As the father of two younger (tweenish) girls, I know that there are segments of society that are hostile to females and I worry for them, particularly my older daughter, who is a self-proclaimed geek with a deep love for Harry Potter, Doctor Who, comic books, Magic The Gathering, and Rick Riordan novels. As for why they did it, it's pretty much because people suck. They care only about their thoughts, their wants, and their desires, and everyone else is wrong and stupid for not agreeing with them. The SJW comment is perplexing, although it is without context from your post (not a criticism, just an observation), so I don't know what you said about this character or the overall topic. Regardless of that, it's just another example of a small, ignorant mind that cannot handle being challenged, particularly by a female. You womenfolk are supposed to be barefoot, pregnant, and baking pies, don't you know, not out in the real world having your own thoughts and opinions on things? As I tell my girls all the time, just be confident in who you are. Like the things you like, do the things you want, and don't let the bastards bring you down (OK, I don't say the last part in quite those exact terms, because my wife would get really pissed at me if I did). And if you find you need a safe place to talk about comics, that's why we're here. It's pretty chill and tolerant, although I advise against bringing up the topic of bananas, as it is possibly the one thing that could tear this site apart. Have no worries. The preservers of the peace, the Anti-Banana League are still here, ready to educate one and all on the evils of the fiendish yellow non-fruit herb. But seriously, Willow, the guy was a knob. I wish I could say you'll never come across idiots like that again, but you probably will. Scrape him off and remember it's his issue. |
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Post by coke & comics on Sept 23, 2017 3:44:55 GMT -5
I have no idea how anybody deals with me.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 23, 2017 6:18:22 GMT -5
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Post by EdoBosnar on Sept 23, 2017 16:08:56 GMT -5
...blue (& gray) Batman is the s***!
Can't give you much advice on dealing with that type of comic-book-fan vitriol in real life, Willow, as I pretty much never encounter it where I currently live (outside the US); it's much easier to deal with online, as I just avoid message boards or comment threads on comic-book related sites where all the opinionated hotheads hang out.
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