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Post by tingramretro on Sept 29, 2017 11:03:03 GMT -5
The Swordsman is more complicated: I thought that what Englehart did with him was very interesting and unusual - what happens when the star of the show loses his confidence, when the coolest guy in the room starts to see himself as a loser? It's a tough read, as I recall, because it's sad to see someone fall that way, even in a superhero comic - maybe moreso, because you aren't expecting it in that kind of story. Sad, but extremely well done. |
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Post by String on Sept 29, 2017 15:18:29 GMT -5
I would say Black Knight or rather I think he still has more potential.
Of all the criticism that I've heard/read surrounding Harras' time on the title, I quite enjoyed his handling of Dane and building up the love triangle between him, Crystal, and Sersi. Also, the growing friction between him and Cap over what happened in Galactic Storm, Cap leaving with Dane becoming the de facto team leader,demonstrating that he was very capable in such a position.
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Post by masterofquackfu on Sept 29, 2017 20:19:57 GMT -5
I know that many consider him one of the "worst" Avengers, but I think Stingray could have been developed a bit further as a character.
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Post by berkley on Sept 30, 2017 20:30:58 GMT -5
I would say Black Knight or rather I think he still has more potential. Of all the criticism that I've heard/read surrounding Harras' time on the title, I quite enjoyed his handling of Dane and building up the love triangle between him, Crystal, and Sersi. Also, the growing friction between him and Cap over what happened in Galactic Storm, Cap leaving with Dane becoming the de facto team leader,demonstrating that he was very capable in such a position. I haven't read those comics but from what I've heard about that ongoing sub-plot about the Crystal and Sersi rivalry, it doesn't fit in with how I see those characters, and that's one reason I'll probably continue to avoid that particular era of the Avengers. |
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Post by berkley on Oct 16, 2017 2:47:46 GMT -5
I would say Black Knight or rather I think he still has more potential. Of all the criticism that I've heard/read surrounding Harras' time on the title, I quite enjoyed his handling of Dane and building up the love triangle between him, Crystal, and Sersi. Also, the growing friction between him and Cap over what happened in Galactic Storm, Cap leaving with Dane becoming the de facto team leader,demonstrating that he was very capable in such a position. I haven't read those comics but from what I've heard about that ongoing sub-plot about the Crystal and Sersi rivalry, it doesn't fit in with how I see those characters, and that's one reason I'll probably continue to avoid that particular era of the Avengers. Well, I lied - inadvertently. I saw a cheap back-issue of Avengers #371 in a LCS last week and bought it, thinking it was part of the Roger Stern run with Buscema and Palmer on the artwork. Of course, it wasn't. So I now am in possession of an issue from the very same era of the Avengers I said I wanted to stay away from. On the plus side, the artwork looks pretty decent, with Tom Palmer doing the finishes over someone else's breakdowns - not Buscema, but Mike Gustovich, an artist I hadn't heard of until now. Some of it is a little too exaggerated and over-muscled in the 90s style for my taste, but it looks like Palmer managed to tone it down to an acceptable level (that's my guess as to what happened there, anyway). The writer too is new to me, Glen Herdling, so maybe this isn't part of the dreaded (by me) Harras run after all. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 16, 2017 4:38:50 GMT -5
One day I'll have to revisit that Harris run. It's possible that it's not all as bland as I remember it. They did have a young Steven Epting on the artwork, but I didn't like the roster of Parallel earth Swordsman, Crystal, Magdalene, etc.
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Post by hondobrode on Oct 16, 2017 5:59:17 GMT -5
I haven't read those comics but from what I've heard about that ongoing sub-plot about the Crystal and Sersi rivalry, it doesn't fit in with how I see those characters, and that's one reason I'll probably continue to avoid that particular era of the Avengers. Well, I lied - inadvertently. I saw a cheap back-issue of Avengers #371 in a LCS last week and bought it, thinking it was part of the Roger Stern run with Buscema and Palmer on the artwork. Of course, it wasn't. So I now am in possession of an issue from the very same era of the Avengers I said I wanted to stay away from. On the plus side, the artwork looks pretty decent, with Tom Palmer doing the finishes over someone else's breakdowns - not Buscema, but Mike Gustovich, an artist I hadn't heard of until now. Some of it is a little too exaggerated and over-muscled in the 90s style for my taste, but it looks like Palmer managed to tone it down to an acceptable level (that's my guess as to what happened there, anyway). The writer too is new to me, Glen Herdling, so maybe this isn't part of the dreaded (by me) Harras run after all. Gustovich was mostly known for being the main penciler for an 80's Justice League-style group, Justice Machine. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 16, 2017 8:54:20 GMT -5
There was a few periods ( mostly the 90's) when characters were introduced only to be discarded less than 12 issues later. I can name the Deathcry and Lionheart who appeared quickly and disappeared just as fast. Keith Giffin did more with the character in the two issues of Annihilation Conquest she was in 15 years latter than she really ever got in Avengers. Looks like Groot wasn't the only forgotten character of that team. |
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