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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 16:46:23 GMT -5
Yes, because the fundamental problem with religion in general is being unwilling to question anything. While I respect your perspective and agree with it in part, generalizing is dangerous ground that's likely to result in inaccuracy. Judaism actively invites questioning, and I can't speak to whether or not Islam does, but I know some Christian denominations do: Methodists, Unitarians, and I can't speak for whether Jesuits as whole do, but I've certainly met a few Jesuit priests who were very radical in their thinking/questioning. At the heart of all religion is revealed truth. Sure, in practice, some sects have a history of tolerating some questioning, but when the foundation is revealed truth, any permitted skepticism is an indulgence. That said, I love ancient history, and I've lately been watching some Youtube channels dealing with biblical history. There's a couple scholars who, when hearing them talk in-depth about the historical and archeological facts, I would think they *have* to be atheist. After learning more about them, nope, they hold to some form of an Abrahamic religion. Their ability to compartmentalize is fascinating.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 14, 2023 17:31:11 GMT -5
While I respect your perspective and agree with it in part, generalizing is dangerous ground that's likely to result in inaccuracy. Judaism actively invites questioning, and I can't speak to whether or not Islam does, but I know some Christian denominations do: Methodists, Unitarians, and I can't speak for whether Jesuits as whole do, but I've certainly met a few Jesuit priests who were very radical in their thinking/questioning. At the heart of all religion is revealed truth. Sure, in practice, some sects have a history of tolerating some questioning, but when the foundation is revealed truth, any permitted skepticism is an indulgence. That said, I love ancient history, and I've lately been watching some Youtube channels dealing with biblical history. There's a couple scholars who, when hearing them talk in-depth about the historical and archeological facts, I would think they *have* to be atheist. After learning more about them, nope, they hold to some form of an Abrahamic religion. Their ability to compartmentalize is fascinating. I can only speak from my experience as a Jew and as the former husband of a Catholic, but I can tell you that questioning is easier in Judaism because the god of the Torah doesn't give a f**k what you believe as long as you hold to the Ten Commandments (none of which is a requirement to believe anything; just don't worship anyone else). Even then, the ten commandments of the Torah are directed more to a society as a whole than an individual. With that god, there is no promise of Heaven nor threat of Hell; just be a good person so that your society thrives and everyone's life is a little better. So the Jewish god isn't watching you at all times, isn't speaking to you if you would just take the time to listen, and (generally speaking) doesn't care about you or what you do. He/she/it is telling humanity how to live better. The reward is self-evident. And as for the afterlife/eternal reward/etc, Jews just have to accept that they aren't meant to know too much of God's plan. Deuteronomy is the outlier in all this, but those words (as well as most of what's said in Leviticus) supposedly come from Moses as an intermediary on God's behalf, so maybe that helps to explain the incongruity. Personally, I don't "believe" in God, but I neither believe with any certainty that there is no god. I do believe in the lessons of the Torah (well, at least four of the five books), but even then its wisdom isn't perfect. In my mind, someone (God? Moses? A collective unconscious? Some really wise ancient people?) left us an instruction book on how to make society work, and dwelling on the being who gave it to us is just a means of personifying its lessons. We pray to God because doing so reminds us of what we should and should not be doing. No one up above is getting pissed when we don't pray and placated when we do. We do it for ourselves. Not that I speak for all Jews. This is just my take.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 15, 2023 5:56:06 GMT -5
Took a bad fall this morning getting into my chair and whacked my knee on the bedframe on my way to the floor. Paramedics got me up and in my chair but my knee still hurts like a mofo. If it doesn't feel any better by the time my new caregiver arrives at 9, I guess it's off to Urgent Care for an x-ray. THIS is why I can't continue to live alone.
Dammit.
Cei-U! I summon the band-aid!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2023 5:58:39 GMT -5
I really hope things improve - and SOON!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2023 7:37:49 GMT -5
Hope you knee is ok Kurt, and pulling for things to get better for you.
Puts my problem this morning into perspective. At about 2 AM last night I heard a loud crash from the basement. When I went down to investigate I found one of the shelving units holding 16 short boxes of comics had the poles on the bottom section buckle so the whole unit collapse spilling short boxes and comics all over the place. Just a massive pile of spilled comics and tipped over short boxes everywhere. Took me 45 minutes to just pick it all up from the floor. One short box itself and several lids did not survive the experience (the comics inside were mostly ok, the corner of the box had popped (i.e. the glue holding the box together failed) but the contents were ok. Less than a dozen comics themselves seem to have been damaged (mostly bent in half), but somewhere between 1500 and 2000 comics will now need to be reorganized, resorted, and put back in order in the boxes after I find a new shelving unit. I am up early looking at options for units online this morning. I literally had just finished the big reorganization of the comics less than a month ago, so it almost feels like starting over, and I had just put the comics I had gotten at the show this weekend away, many in those boxes, earlier last evening. It's frustrating and exasperating, but fixable and it's just stuff, not me or anyone in my family, so it's a surmountable issue and an inconvenience and an expense, but not a quality of life issue like some here are dealing with.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jun 15, 2023 8:03:31 GMT -5
Took a bad fall this morning getting into my chair and whacked my knee on the bedframe on my way to the floor. Paramedics got me up and in my chair but my knee still hurts like a mofo. If it doesn't feel any better by the time my new caregiver arrives at 9, I guess it's off to Urgent Care for an x-ray. THIS is why I can't continue to live alone. Dammit. Cei-U! I summon the band-aid! Sorry, Kurt. Stay strong. You don't deserve any of this.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 15, 2023 9:21:05 GMT -5
Took a bad fall this morning getting into my chair and whacked my knee on the bedframe on my way to the floor. Paramedics got me up and in my chair but my knee still hurts like a mofo. If it doesn't feel any better by the time my new caregiver arrives at 9, I guess it's off to Urgent Care for an x-ray. THIS is why I can't continue to live alone. Dammit. Cei-U! I summon the band-aid! Dammit, Kurt. You've been in my thoughts ever since your first aid left. I'm so sorry for the crazy ordeal you've been through since then. If you and I were within one state of each other, I'd have been there already. On behalf of all of us, thanks for looking after you. Stay safe, and keep us updated.
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Post by majestic on Jun 15, 2023 20:46:51 GMT -5
So sorry to hear about your struggles Kurt. I hope you find a solution quickly to get you some help.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 16, 2023 1:03:58 GMT -5
Just got back from the ER an hour ago. Turns out I broke my left patella in half and either tore or strained all the ligaments and tendons attached to it. Not sure what happens next. Maybe nothing, maybe a stay at a short term nursing care facility. I'll know more tomorrow.I'm DONE with today.
Cei-U! Basta es basta!
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Post by shaxper on Jun 16, 2023 1:35:41 GMT -5
Just got back from the ER an hour ago. Turns out I broke my left patella in half and either tore or strained all the ligaments and tendons attached to it. Not sure what happens next. Maybe nothing, maybe a stay at a short term nursing care facility. I'll know more tomorrow.I'm DONE with today. Cei-U! Basta es basta! I'm so frickin' sorry, Kurt.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 16, 2023 3:22:06 GMT -5
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 16, 2023 5:30:32 GMT -5
Augh! That's serious damage; no wonder it was painful.
Hang in there, Kurt, and may the Fates pick on someone else for the foreseeable future. Come on, ladies, you've had your fun! Leave our favourite comics historian alone!
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Post by Prince Hal on Jun 16, 2023 5:55:48 GMT -5
That giant sucking sound is life right now. Hang in, Kurt. At least you will be somewhere that you will be cared for properly. First step toward recovery..
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jun 16, 2023 7:59:01 GMT -5
Sorry to hear about that, Kurt.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 16, 2023 9:16:10 GMT -5
Just got back from the ER an hour ago. Turns out I broke my left patella in half and either tore or strained all the ligaments and tendons attached to it. Not sure what happens next. Maybe nothing, maybe a stay at a short term nursing care facility. I'll know more tomorrow.I'm DONE with today. Cei-U! Basta es basta! That's definitely not what you kneed. (I had to be the one). I'm very sorry to hear that Kurt.
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