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Post by impulse on Oct 25, 2023 20:25:47 GMT -5
Unrelated, being sick sucks. I don't know if my kids brought home the plague from school or I caught something out and about, but I've bene pretty miserable the last couple days. I rarely get more than an occasional minor cold, so I'm not used to this.
Not a fan. I think I am going to go back to wearing face masks in public until sniffle season winds down. The last three years certainly had their downsides, but basically not being sick for a couple years was nice.
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Post by berkley on Oct 25, 2023 20:59:07 GMT -5
I had meant to see Shang Chi and Doctor Strange 2 but found I'd lost interest by the time they were out. The previews didn't help. I tried to watch DS2 but gave up after the first 15-20 minutes - that opening action scene felt so drearily familiar that I couldn't motivate myself to keep going. Maybe I'll try to finish it some time but that was several months ago and I haven't felt any urge so far. I might try the Eternals without any expectations of it capturing anything I liked about the Kirby series as far as the story or characters go, but just for the sake of seeing how they do the Celestials on screen and also the presence of Gemma Chan and Salma Hayek, 2 of my favourite actresses. Haven't seen the last Thor or Guardians but haven't ruled out trying them some time.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 25, 2023 21:02:19 GMT -5
Unrelated, being sick sucks. I don't know if my kids brought home the plague from school or I caught something out and about, but I've bene pretty miserable the last couple days. I rarely get more than an occasional minor cold, so I'm not used to this. Not a fan. I think I am going to go back to wearing face masks in public until sniffle season winds down. The last three years certainly had their downsides, but basically not being sick for a couple years was nice. Sorry, man. Yeah, the mask is a small price ot pay for continued good health.
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Post by Calidore on Oct 25, 2023 22:03:52 GMT -5
I had meant to see Shang Chi and Doctor Strange 2 but found I'd lost interest by the time they were out. The previews didn't help. I tried to watch DS2 but gave up after the first 15-20 minutes - that opening action scene felt so drearily familiar that I couldn't motivate myself to keep going. Maybe I'll try to finish it some time but that was several months ago and I haven't felt any urge so far. I might try the Eternals without any expectations of it capturing anything I liked about the Kirby series as far as the story or characters go, but just for the sake of seeing how they do the Celestials on screen and also the presence of Gemma Chan and Salma Hayek, 2 of my favourite actresses. Haven't seen the last Thor or Guardians but haven't ruled out trying them some time.
Haven't seen DS2 yet, but I did enjoy the first one a lot. Regarding the initial dreary familiarity, I remember one local critic saying that it felt like Marvel gave Sam Raimi a list of mandated MCU story beats, and he got them out of the way in the first 20 minutes so he could make his own movie the rest of the way. So, possibly you dropped it right at the point it was going to start getting good.
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Post by impulse on Oct 26, 2023 7:30:50 GMT -5
I had meant to see Shang Chi and Doctor Strange 2 but found I'd lost interest by the time they were out. The previews didn't help. I tried to watch DS2 but gave up after the first 15-20 minutes - that opening action scene felt so drearily familiar that I couldn't motivate myself to keep going. Maybe I'll try to finish it some time but that was several months ago and I haven't felt any urge so far. I might try the Eternals without any expectations of it capturing anything I liked about the Kirby series as far as the story or characters go, but just for the sake of seeing how they do the Celestials on screen and also the presence of Gemma Chan and Salma Hayek, 2 of my favourite actresses. Haven't seen the last Thor or Guardians but haven't ruled out trying them some time. Haven't seen DS2 yet, but I did enjoy the first one a lot. Regarding the initial dreary familiarity, I remember one local critic saying that it felt like Marvel gave Sam Raimi a list of mandated MCU story beats, and he got them out of the way in the first 20 minutes so he could make his own movie the rest of the way. So, possibly you dropped it right at the point it was going to start getting good. I will second that DS2 was a VERY Raimi movie.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 26, 2023 10:52:18 GMT -5
I thought I was the only one that held this opinion. On all of it. Nolan's Batman movies, Ledger's performance (my favorite of his is A Knight's Tale) and the attention it garnered and, yes how milennials and Gen Z discovering Nirvana and, as you said, thinking it's the voice of music for Gen X. It's weird phenomenon, that I think is mostly American (but I could be wrong) that when celebrity takes their own life all of sudden the entirety of their work is distorted as if anything you knew about them and their work changed. Nirvana especially, since I was there in my teens when their popularity hit high. Didn't care for their music then, just not my type, not saying they aren't talented, don't care for it after hearing the news. And it was all over everywhere. I certainly, and the same with Ledger, feel saddened when a person feels they have no one to talk to and to live for that they take their own life. I liked the Grunge stuff, for the most part (there are exceptions); but, I preferred Stone Temple Pilots over Nirvana, by a country mile. Now, here's the thing, I'm in my late 20s, as Grunge is really hitting and I am at the beginning of Gen X. So, I lived through Glam Rock (though too young to have heard a lot until later, since my parents controlled the radio), Arena Rock, Soul, Funk, Disco, Punk, New Wave, Alternative, Modern Rock and whatever else you wan't to call 70s and 80s rock and pop (including Heavy Metal) and Grunge wasn't that different than what came before, especially punk and hard rock/heavy metal. The videos were all supposed to be edgy and it was mostly showing bleak industrial sites, black & white images, people in retro 70s clothing and bad facial hair, piercings and the odd dreadlock. It was some kid's idea of the 70s, who was too young to remember it and only saw it on tv, in a rerun. I grew up until about teen to preteen listening to my parents music. So it wasn't till the late 80's or so that I started listening to current music on the radio. When I hit my teens I was into a lot of the popular music at the time. Then around the early 90's I started listening to rap/hip-hop as my friends were too. A Tribe Called Quest's Low End Theory was the first album I listened to. And I pretty much stuck with mostly rap until my senior year of high school. I went to a technical school outside of where I lived and was a bit more racially diverse and I started getting exposed to more types of music. I was 18 when I heard my first Aerosmith CD. So I completely missed the music that my skin color was "supposed" to listen to. Bands like Nirvana. As an adult I have tried grunge music, and more so after I got married as that is my wife's taste in music but I never could get into it. I was listening to the radio at the time and I very much remember the air time that "We Didn't Start The Fire" got. I was very determined to learn the lyrics even though I didn't take the time to think about the commentary of them. It was just a very different sound for Billy Joel from some of his other songs popular at the time like "Piano Man". "Small Town" and "Born In The USA" got a lot of play too. To the point if "Small Town" comes on I am changing the radio station. It and "Hotel California" do not play in my car of house lol Ugh. But I actually like "Born In The USA" as a commentary on getting older and how some things change and some things don't. I feel like when it comes to comic book movies (but it seems to mostly be DC) normalizing or portraying characters "realistically" actually makes it even more unrealistic. Because it was originally created as fantasy and not meant to be taken place in a "real" world. That and I think Bale was a terrible Bruce Wayne and Batman. But at least Batman Begins was watchable. I enjoyed the setup of the back story for Bruce being Batman and Liam Neeson as Ra's. I have only ever seen random episodes of the Batman TV show and that was when I was young so I can't really form an opinion. But the impression I get is that it never took itself to seriously and had fun. Batman TAS and Mask of the Phantasm are almost perfect transition from page to film. They are serious but don't take themselves too seriously. It's the perfect blend of wallowing in the fun of fantasy with grounding itself in a "real" world.
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Oct 26, 2023 10:53:24 GMT -5
I really enjoyed most of the 2010s MCU output. I felt they really captured what made Marvel comics so fun originally--a mix of characters you cared about, humor, and over the top action. It was great seeing more obscure characters and concepts (to non comic fans anyway) like Dr Strange, Ant Man, Guardians, etc, get major movies. I also enjoyed the first year of Disney shows and the new movies like Shang Chi, Black Widow and even Eternals. But yeah, as I've posted about before, the last two years output has just felt tired. Just like everything is killing time before the movies that really matter come out...in another two years. She Hulk was quite good, I liked Thor: Love and Thunder despite it feeling like a bit of a mess, and Guardians 3 was cool, but the rest has been meh. Oh well, nothing lasts forever
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 26, 2023 11:12:22 GMT -5
I'll admit that I'm pretty burnt out on the MCU. I've seen all the movies, but I can honestly say I've only really liked a couple since Endgame. I haven't watched Secret Invasion or whatever it was called. I likely will watch the second season of Loki, because Hiddleston and Owen Wilson are pretty damn fun together. But overall, I'm kind of done.
I think that, by and large, the Nolan Batman movies are shite. I liked Batman Begins okay the first time I watched it, but I'm afraid to watch it again. I thought the Dark Knight was pretty marginal the first time I watched it...and it has diminished since. The third one...whatever its incredibly generic name was...was absolute dretch. Just a horrible mass of cliches and plot holes. And Ledger's Joker was an uninteresting nihilist. Bleh.
I never liked Nirvana. I'm told they're supposed to be the voice of my generation. Maybe that explains why we suck so bad. To be fair I hated all grunge acts equally.
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Post by tartanphantom on Oct 26, 2023 11:23:13 GMT -5
I'll admit that I'm pretty burnt out on the MCU. I've seen all the movies, but I can honestly say I've only really liked a couple since Endgame. I haven't watched Secret Invasion or whatever it was called. I likely will watch the second season of Loki, because Hiddleston and Owen Wilson are pretty damn fun together. But overall, I'm kind of done. I think that, by and large, the Nolan Batman movies are shite. I liked Batman Begins okay the first time I watched it, but I'm afraid to watch it again. I thought the Dark Knight was pretty marginal the first time I watched it...and it has diminished since. The third one...whatever its incredibly generic name was...was absolute dretch. Just a horrible mass of cliches and plot holes. And Ledger's Joker was an uninteresting nihilist. Bleh. I never liked Nirvana. I'm told they're supposed to be the voice of my generation. Maybe that explains why we suck so bad. To be fair I hated all grunge acts equally.
As a transitional late Boomer/early Gen X'er (born in '63) and a lifelong musician, I have pretty wide musical tastes that cover many genres, some of them rather niche. Even so, I didn't really care for most grunge, Nirvana in particular, and Pearl Jam to a lesser degree. However I did and still do like Soundgarden, though most people don't know that they actually pre-dated the mainstream grunge movement by a few years, initially forming in 1984. Nevertheless, although I liked Chris Cornell's work in Soundgarden, I didn't care for the later band, Audioslave much at all. I still like Kim Thayil's approach as a guitarist, though.
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Post by impulse on Oct 26, 2023 16:12:56 GMT -5
Oh, yeah, how did I miss commenting on the Nolan Bat films? I enjoyed the first one pretty well. The second was good, but a bit self-important. I did like Ledger's Joker.
The third one, though. I was the black sheep of my nerd friend group for saying it, but man, what a bloated, self-important, dull slog of a movie. It was full of plot holes, some stuff just made zero sense on its face. It was a hot mess of a movie, and I can't believe people try and say it was good.
I also have not watched any of them in quite some time, and I don't feel a need to change that.
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Post by berkley on Oct 26, 2023 16:38:35 GMT -5
I didn't mind grunge but was never attracted enough to actually buy a cd by any of those bands. I think I liked Pearl Jam of the ones I heard on the radio a lot. Nirvana were OK, Cobain had a great scream that he made good use of on some of their songs. They didn't do anything new but I think for pop music fans of a certain age it felt like they did, maybe because that kind of non-metal hard rock hadn't been prominent on the airwaves since the '70s?
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Post by commond on Oct 26, 2023 17:10:31 GMT -5
I got into Nirvana after Cobain died and the Unplugged album became a big deal. I'd been too young to get into them when Nevermind came out. I was more of a Pearl Jam fan, but I bought and listened to all of Nirvana's records. Like every kid in my grade, I grew my hair out and started thrifting through secondhand clothes shops. I still think their music holds up. It's a little over-produced on record, but Cobain was a good songwriter and the group had terrific taste in music. As I grew older and broadened my musical tastes, I was often impressed by Cobain's influences.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 26, 2023 17:14:22 GMT -5
I'll admit that I'm pretty burnt out on the MCU. I've seen all the movies, but I can honestly say I've only really liked a couple since Endgame. I haven't watched Secret Invasion or whatever it was called. I likely will watch the second season of Loki, because Hiddleston and Owen Wilson are pretty damn fun together. But overall, I'm kind of done. I think that, by and large, the Nolan Batman movies are shite. I liked Batman Begins okay the first time I watched it, but I'm afraid to watch it again. I thought the Dark Knight was pretty marginal the first time I watched it...and it has diminished since. The third one...whatever its incredibly generic name was...was absolute dretch. Just a horrible mass of cliches and plot holes. And Ledger's Joker was an uninteresting nihilist. Bleh. I never liked Nirvana. I'm told they're supposed to be the voice of my generation. Maybe that explains why we suck so bad. To be fair I hated all grunge acts equally.
As a transitional late Boomer/early Gen X'er (born in '63) and a lifelong musician, I have pretty wide musical tastes that cover many genres, some of them rather niche. Even so, I didn't really care for most grunge, Nirvana in particular, and Pearl Jam to a lesser degree. However I did and still do like Soundgarden, though most people don't know that they actually pre-dated the mainstream grunge movement by a few years, initially forming in 1984. Nevertheless, although I liked Chris Cornell's work in Soundgarden, I didn't care for the later band, Audioslave much at all. I still like Kim Thayil's approach as a guitarist, though.
As a '67 model I'm smack dab at the front end of Gen-X (though I really identified as much with my older siblings tastes, who were 9, 7 1/2 and 5 1/2 years older than me). I just was not in to grunge at all when it hit big, as I was moving from a hair band phase in to blues and jazz at the time. Now, my music tastes are pretty eclectic, but it still doesn't embrace grunge...or pretty much anything that has actually been popular with the masses for decades.
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Post by berkley on Oct 26, 2023 19:40:04 GMT -5
Is that the cut-off for Gen X, 1967? It's always been a hazy concept for me.
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Post by The Captain on Oct 26, 2023 19:46:46 GMT -5
Is that the cut-off for Gen X, 1967? It's always been a hazy concept for me. It’s funny, as my wife and younger daughter and I were discussing this at dinner tonight. Gen X started roughly in 1965 and ended roughly in 1980, as most of the generations have a “squishy” period at the beginning and end where there is transition. For Gen X, it is viewed as the period of societal change, be it civil rights, women’s rights, the counterculture of the late 1960s, and the punk movement of the late 1970s. It’s bookended by the post-WWII period and the Reagan-led 1980s, both of which sought to control society, either via the government or religion or both.
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