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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 30, 2015 15:39:30 GMT -5
In the US, certain jobs such as servers are allowed to be paid less than minimum wage because it's assumed they'll make up the difference in tips. Generally the average tipping is assumed to be about 15 to 20 percent of the total bill, though that is totally at the mercy of the customer. This also creates a situation where servers who work at more inexpensive restaurants make way less in tips than those that work at high-end restaurants since it's based on a percentage of the bill.
Not sure why you would be expected to tip as much as the meal, or any where close to it, unless someone was taking advantage of your unfamiliarity with tipping. Most people are around the 15 to 20 percent range.
If people suddenly stopped tipping, the servers would just be out of luck. There's currently nothing to force employers to raise wages unless laws change, as far as I know. But tipping is so ingrained at this point that it would take a while for customers to get out of the habit, not to mention trying to get everyone to agree on one thing is next to impossible anyways. Some restaurant chains have started doing away with tipping and raising wages on their own, but none around here have done that.
Yes, I get this, but if people stopped tipping, the servers would just be looking for other types of jobs, right? It would be the bosses who'd be out of servers, wouldn't they? I saw this was deeply rooted in the habits indeed, as when I felt I was taken advantage of, the guy who took me here that I invited couldn't handle us not leaving any tip, even if he agreed we paid too much... What I really wonder, is if this is being debated? Because this systems seems to me to put the tension between the customers and servers, which is crazy, leaving this part of the workforce at the mercy of both their bosses and the whims of the customers. Ah... Well... Back to football : Barcelona vs Sevilla
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Post by DE Sinclair on Dec 30, 2015 16:53:43 GMT -5
In the US, certain jobs such as servers are allowed to be paid less than minimum wage because it's assumed they'll make up the difference in tips. Generally the average tipping is assumed to be about 15 to 20 percent of the total bill, though that is totally at the mercy of the customer. This also creates a situation where servers who work at more inexpensive restaurants make way less in tips than those that work at high-end restaurants since it's based on a percentage of the bill.
Not sure why you would be expected to tip as much as the meal, or any where close to it, unless someone was taking advantage of your unfamiliarity with tipping. Most people are around the 15 to 20 percent range.
If people suddenly stopped tipping, the servers would just be out of luck. There's currently nothing to force employers to raise wages unless laws change, as far as I know. But tipping is so ingrained at this point that it would take a while for customers to get out of the habit, not to mention trying to get everyone to agree on one thing is next to impossible anyways. Some restaurant chains have started doing away with tipping and raising wages on their own, but none around here have done that.
Yes, I get this, but if people stopped tipping, the servers would just be looking for other types of jobs, right? It would be the bosses who'd be out of servers, wouldn't they? I saw this was deeply rooted in the habits indeed, as when I felt I was taken advantage of, the guy who took me here that I invited couldn't handle us not leaving any tip, even if he agreed we paid too much... What I really wonder, is if this is being debated? Because this systems seems to me to put the tension between the customers and servers, which is crazy, leaving this part of the workforce at the mercy of both their bosses and the whims of the customers. Ah... Well... Back to football : Barcelona vs Sevilla Yes, if people suddenly banded together and stopped tipping, the servers would probably look for other jobs. Problem is there aren't a lot of other jobs out there. Which leaves the servers stuck.
Yes, the servers are caught between their bosses and their customers, left to the whims of both of them, which sucks. Which is one of the reasons I always try to be extra nice to the servers and leave a reasonable tip. Plus they handle your food so it's good to have them on your side.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 17:38:08 GMT -5
Trust me: Only those who are INCREDIBLY STUPID or have NO CARE if they suddenly become unemployed, will EVER mess with a customer's food.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 30, 2015 17:41:51 GMT -5
Trust me: Only those who are INCREDIBLY STUPID or have NO CARE if they suddenly become unemployed, will EVER mess with a customer's food. Happens all the time. And large amounts of people are incredibly stupid on a regular basis.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 17:47:35 GMT -5
Trust me: Only those who are INCREDIBLY STUPID or have NO CARE if they suddenly become unemployed, will EVER mess with a customer's food. Happens all the time. And large amounts of people are incredibly stupid on a regular basis. Maybe in fast food, but restaurants? I have waitressed at a LOT of restaurants, and not once did I ever even hear of anyone messing with a customer's food. Ever.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 20:37:42 GMT -5
Maybe in fast food, but restaurants? I have waitressed at a LOT of restaurants, and not once did I ever even hear of anyone messing with a customer's food. Ever. You're one of the good ones. My pal worked as a waiter once...and told me some of what some of his colleagues did. Like dropping a bit of the customer's food on the floor, picking it up, putting it back in the plate, and carrying to the customer...who's none the wiser and wolfs it down. Then there's my other pal, Linda the Lesbian...who'd get hit on a lot at bars, sometimes quire crudely. So when she was bring them their beers, she'd SPIT in the foamy part....and they wouldn't know it while they were gulping it down.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 20:59:16 GMT -5
I can imagine I sound naive, but honestly, people that I worked with never dared do anything like that. We all feared losing our money and jobs.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 30, 2015 21:13:25 GMT -5
Maybe it's different where you live. I live in NYC, it's a toilet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 21:27:21 GMT -5
Maybe it's different where you live. I live in NYC, it's a toilet. You are right. But I did waitress third shift at a Denny's for about three years. It was...interesting, and I couldn't wait to get out of there and escape the customers and the staff. Nasty, nasty people.
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Post by Spike-X on Dec 30, 2015 23:56:21 GMT -5
I'm sorry if you felt singled out. I was just giving an example of something that actually happened, multiple times, to an American friend of mine, who used to wait tables.
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Post by Spike-X on Dec 30, 2015 23:56:52 GMT -5
Or who think that their server will be able to pay the rent with frickin' Bible verses. Cheap shot. See above.
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Post by Spike-X on Dec 30, 2015 23:58:39 GMT -5
...but it's reassuring to know that a heavy, leather-bound version of the King James Bible could do a lot of damage if it was hurled at someone's head with enough force. Why would you throw that at someone? It's better to hold onto it and hit them repeatedly rather than risk them ducking and you losing your weapon without doing any damage. Bible thumping done right!
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Post by Spike-X on Dec 31, 2015 0:01:18 GMT -5
The quote system on this board can go take a flying f*** at a rolling donut.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 0:15:17 GMT -5
The quote system on this board can go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. Use the BBCode setting rather than the preview setting when replying, it makes it much easier to use. -M
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Post by Spike-X on Dec 31, 2015 0:21:16 GMT -5
Thank you.
Sorry, cranky from the heat.
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