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Post by Mormel on Jan 2, 2016 16:41:56 GMT -5
That performance of Aretha in tribute of Carole King (and revisiting 'Natural Woman') was pretty boss. Was kinda surprised to find the Queen of Soul still has such an impressive set of lungs. She's been at it for what, nigh-on sixty years?
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Post by hondobrode on Jan 2, 2016 16:44:03 GMT -5
How horrible for you both.
I was raised very Catholic and graduated from a Catholic college. My viewpoint shifted to something different from what I was taught. It was very liberating for me.
Everyone is different. My mother is extremely Catholic, despite disagreeing with The Church on different things, including women being priests and priests being able to marry.
She's a very, very good person, but, I also consider myself a very good person despite she and I having very different views and beliefs on religion.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jan 2, 2016 16:44:57 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear that pip. It is a shame like political power people use religious power for their own selfish desires. To contrast, I shared this here before about an account Bettie Page recalled about an encounter with religion that was positive for her.
I am watching a documentary on Netflix about Bettie Page. Most of the documentary is narrated from Bettie in an interview she gave a reporter where she recounts her life from birth till then.
There was an account that Bettie remembered and stated in this documentary. One that reminded me a lot of the conversations that we have had about religion and it's negative and positive effects on humanity. This is a time where Bettie had disappeared from the public, despite her popularity at the time she went into seclusion. She at the time had a big argument with the man that she was with. It was close to midnight and she went out on the street and saw a church and could hear singing inside and she felt compelled to go inside, as she said, "like somebody had me by the hand" and said "I knew it was the Lord and no one was going to convince me otherwise". She said that when she went in, "I stood back there and cried about my sins. I thought God disapproved of me doing the nudes, you know." That's what she said she was telling the pastor. And he responded "Have you ever done anything as bad as the Apostle Paul?" And Bettie, at the time, was not knowledgeable in the Bible, and asked the pastor, what did he do? The pastor said, "Well he had the Christians murdered. Have you ever done anything that bad?" And she said, well no. He says, "Well God forgave him and made him the greatest missionary of all time. He can certainly forgive you for posing the nude, don't you think?"
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Post by the4thpip on Jan 2, 2016 17:20:39 GMT -5
That performance of Aretha in tribute of Carole King (and revisiting 'Natural Woman') was pretty boss. Was kinda surprised to find the Queen of Soul still has such an impressive set of lungs. She's been at it for what, nigh-on sixty years? I don't know what she did to get the voice back. That was vintage Aretha, but in the last few years, her live performances where disappointing to horrid. And even on her last album the studio technicians could not fix it. She covered Adele's Rolling in the Deep and the higher notes were painful to listen to. Yet here she was, as if she'd never lost it. Maybe a deal with the devil?
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Post by Spike-X on Jan 2, 2016 18:03:22 GMT -5
Thanks pip. Just to be clear the evil worm thing was from the link Ms CW posted earlier. But I still have these now rational fears. My folks religion taught Jesus coming would happen in my lifetime (and much earlier by their prophecy's calculations) and I'd never worry about death if I stayed on the path. But times gone on and nothing's changed. If they're wrong about that what else are they wrong about? What religion if any has it right? Now time goes on and death awaits. I'll die. I'll have to bury my folks. These are things I thought I'd never have to deal with. Even if something drastic happened and my folks or I died an accidental death we could still get a ressurection to an earthly paradise after Jesus returned. I don't hold my folks to my faults and fears. I may hold their religion to it but that causes nothing but emptiness. I try to focus on making the only life I have happy and worth every minute for myself and my wife and sons. The empty inside me that I mostly don't share with even my wife is what the alcohol fills. I don't want to bury my parents. But time says I will. And that's a realization that I was taught wouldn't happen. My mom was over 70 when she told me that when she was 8, the village priest was a sick pervert who would threaten her that her soul would get "eaten by worms" because of her impure thoughts about her body, and then he coaxed her to come up with impure thoughts about her body to share them during confession. That messed with her attitude towards her body and sexuality for her entire life. OMG you guys stop bashing all Christians by sharing stories about bad things that some Christians have done!
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Post by Spike-X on Jan 2, 2016 18:06:32 GMT -5
That performance of Aretha in tribute of Carole King (and revisiting 'Natural Woman') was pretty boss. Was kinda surprised to find the Queen of Soul still has such an impressive set of lungs. She's been at it for what, nigh-on sixty years? I don't know what she did to get the voice back. That was vintage Aretha, but in the last few years, her live performances where disappointing to horrid. And even on her last album the studio technicians could not fix it. She covered Adele's Rolling in the Deep and the higher notes were painful to listen to. Yet here she was, as if she'd never lost it. Maybe a deal with the devil? Her performance of Rolling In The Deep was frankly embarrassing to watch. Her Carole King tribute was AMAZING.
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Post by the4thpip on Jan 2, 2016 18:45:05 GMT -5
I don't know what she did to get the voice back. That was vintage Aretha, but in the last few years, her live performances where disappointing to horrid. And even on her last album the studio technicians could not fix it. She covered Adele's Rolling in the Deep and the higher notes were painful to listen to. Yet here she was, as if she'd never lost it. Maybe a deal with the devil? Her performance of Rolling In The Deep was frankly embarrassing to watch. Her Carole King tribute was AMAZING. She also tried her hand at Gladys Knight and the Pips' "Midnight Train to Georgia" on that album. I guess the producer tried to make her voice sound better by contrast so they decided to have the backing vox sound less like Pips and more like chipmunks. It's one of the most cringeworthy covers I have ever heard.
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Post by Spike-X on Jan 2, 2016 23:41:26 GMT -5
I'll give it a miss, then. Which is a shame, because I love that song, and Aretha covering it should be a no-brainer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 6:32:42 GMT -5
From an economic standpoint the Internet in shopping for this is a benefit for me. Especially with my kid's hobbies. I can buy so easily and much cheaper online than locally for the same exact product when it comes to gaming. On the note of not having the Internet when I was young. I just had radio, no cable, and not a TV until I was a teenager, and I didn't know until I watched Carribean Queen on YouTube Billy Ocean wasn't white, whose name I got mixed up with Billy Joel, who was. So yeah some things an remain a mystery then. Not so much now. I love what the internet has done for collectibles. When I was a kid my dream was to own Elfquest #1 from WaRP. It was about $20 in the guides back then but no dealers seemed to have it because it was magazine sized. Mail order was an option but back then I don't think I had a single mail order venture go right so it was off the table at that point. I didn't even hope of ever owning a full run of the series, that was just impossible. So I quit comics for about 15 years and when I came back I got on eBay, hoping to find Elfquest #1. I was hoping it was still only $20 but was prepared to pay more to fulfill that childhood dream. Instead I got the entire series for $20.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 6:38:19 GMT -5
From an economic standpoint the Internet in shopping for this is a benefit for me. Especially with my kid's hobbies. I can buy so easily and much cheaper online than locally for the same exact product when it comes to gaming. On the note of not having the Internet when I was young. I just had radio, no cable, and not a TV until I was a teenager, and I didn't know until I watched Carribean Queen on YouTube Billy Ocean wasn't white, whose name I got mixed up with Billy Joel, who was. So yeah some things an remain a mystery then. Not so much now. I love what the internet has done for collectibles. When I was a kid my dream was to own Elfquest #1 from WaRP. It was about $20 in the guides back then but no dealers seemed to have it because it was magazine sized. Mail order was an option but back then I don't think I had a single mail order venture go right so it was off the table at that point. I didn't even hope of ever owning a full run of the series, that was just impossible. So I quit comics for about 15 years and when I came back I got on eBay, hoping to find Elfquest #1. I was hoping it was still only $20 but was prepared to pay more to fulfill that childhood dream. Instead I got the entire series for $20. On the flip side, books like X-Factor #5 or 6 (first Apocalypse, which for years and years was dollar bin fodder exploded and are selling for $50-$100 because internet hype drove speculation when it was announced he was in a movie and internet sellers began listing the book for higher prices and internet buyers paid it when they could have gotten it for a buck at the comic shop for over 20 years... for every benefit, there's a drawback too. -M
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 9:34:25 GMT -5
I hate hearing things like that. Mostly because I sold that comic for a dollar a couple years ago. How often am I reading people's modern grails and realize it's something I dumped in a bulk sale. Since when is the first appearance of Gambit anything special?
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jan 3, 2016 11:01:39 GMT -5
I love what the internet has done for collectibles. When I was a kid my dream was to own Elfquest #1 from WaRP. It was about $20 in the guides back then but no dealers seemed to have it because it was magazine sized. Mail order was an option but back then I don't think I had a single mail order venture go right so it was off the table at that point. I didn't even hope of ever owning a full run of the series, that was just impossible. So I quit comics for about 15 years and when I came back I got on eBay, hoping to find Elfquest #1. I was hoping it was still only $20 but was prepared to pay more to fulfill that childhood dream. Instead I got the entire series for $20. On the flip side, books like X-Factor #5 or 6 (first Apocalypse, which for years and years was dollar bin fodder exploded and are selling for $50-$100 because internet hype drove speculation when it was announced he was in a movie and internet sellers began listing the book for higher prices and internet buyers paid it when they could have gotten it for a buck at the comic shop for over 20 years... for every benefit, there's a drawback too. -M I would say that's a combination of Internet speculation and Marvel and DC's movie ventures driving up the price. 15 plus years ago I could find great deals via eBay on different lots of comic and/or single issues. CGC has helped too, pushing out a lot of the unadulterated comics that have less availability. To where some entire listings of NM-GD are almost all CGC. The comic hobby many of us started when we did is now a million dollar business. And if people will pay inflated prices, whether Marvel or DC see the actual profit, is still good for business overall.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 16:40:17 GMT -5
I hate hearing things like that. Mostly because I sold that comic for a dollar a couple years ago. How often am I reading people's modern grails and realize it's something I dumped in a bulk sale. Since when is the first appearance of Gambit anything special?It's been selling at inflated prices for at least 20 years now. It was a "hot" book almost as soon as it came out, cooled off for a short time, then shot up again and has held value since then. -M
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 21:34:23 GMT -5
I hate hearing things like that. Mostly because I sold that comic for a dollar a couple years ago. How often am I reading people's modern grails and realize it's something I dumped in a bulk sale. Since when is the first appearance of Gambit anything special?It's been selling at inflated prices for at least 20 years now. It was a "hot" book almost as soon as it came out, cooled off for a short time, then shot up again and has held value since then. -M I knew it was worth more than cover of course but didn't think it was more than a $10 comic in vf/nm
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 21:55:05 GMT -5
It's been selling at inflated prices for at least 20 years now. It was a "hot" book almost as soon as it came out, cooled off for a short time, then shot up again and has held value since then. -M I knew it was worth more than cover of course but didn't think it was more than a $10 comic in vf/nm When I got married, my wife was an X-Men fan too, and we both had copies of that. She paid about $10 for hers in the late 90s, I bought mine off the stands. When I moved out here I sold off the duplicates form the X-collection and sold my copy for $45 in store credit to an LCS in '03, so it's been more than a $10 book for a long time (he had a waiting list of 6 regular customers looking for a copy so he knew he could flip it in a day or so and double his money then, now...it's even more). -M
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