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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 19, 2016 11:18:52 GMT -5
No apology necessary, at least not to me. Because a vast majority of online fan fiction is the exactly the kind of creepy swill you originally described. I'm just glad you now know there are exceptions.
Cei-U! It's all good!
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Post by impulse on Jan 19, 2016 15:25:54 GMT -5
I think the fan fiction discussion is really just comes down to semantics. Sure, one could argue that any non-purely original writing based on anything that existed in prior form is "fan fiction" and have a compelling case, but it's at least a little disingenuous to act like coldwater's definition is completely wrong. It is pretty darn clear by her usage what type of fanfic she is talking about, and while it's perhaps unfair to label all fanfic as godawful drivel, anyone here should know what someone means if they liken something to bad fanfic, as in the case of the previously cited example of Peter Parker making a deal with the devil. In summation, I guess the point i am trying to make is.... come onnnnnn, guys!
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jan 19, 2016 15:32:27 GMT -5
There's not enough years in my life remaining to even contemplate reading derivative fanfic. Christ, the characters that they are based on are usually 50 years old or more and should have been buried awhile back (professionally) as it is
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Post by impulse on Jan 19, 2016 16:41:16 GMT -5
I think fanfic has gotten a bad rap recently due to the flood of amateur, pervy crap with the advent of the internet tainting the word. Admittedly, I've read vey little of it, but none of what I've read or anything I've heard about any has made me have any desire to try again. I may be missing out on good stuff, but I can't even keep up with the officially sanctioned content I like, let alone searching out the diamonds in the refuse pile.
I also find the inevitable change in tone from the original authors to the imitators jarring, and it never feels real. Honestly, the same thing bothers me in "official" comics, too, much to the earlier point about the definition of real vs fan fiction basically coming down to someone saying so. But yeah, I've dropped books due to changes in creative teams before, so that all makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 17:11:34 GMT -5
There are certainly subsets of fan fiction, such as slash fiction, shipping fiction, erotica etc. that focuses on the sexual and/or romantic aspects of characters, and a lot of it can be classified as rapey, perverse or terrible, but it really has no more to do with the rest of fan fiction than super-hero porn parodies have to do with the rest of super-hero movies or some of the fan-made films featuring super-heroes that are out there that feature original stories done by people outside the corporate control of the characters.
The internet wallows in the terrible, so it is no more surprising that a lot of the fan fic on the net is from that subset than it is to encounter other material wallowing in the worst on the net (porn itself probably makes up an inordinate percentage of all internet content out there).
One of my wife's hobbies is reading fan-fic (hence here encounter with the Avengers/Sesame Street x-over story that I commented on to start all of this). She avoids the shipping/slash fiction subset like the plague. But she takes a lot of shit from people who speak out of ignorance and make judgmental responses about fan fic and the people who read it, and I have had this discussion and go around way too many times because of it. I have probably developed a hair-trigger response because, well when it comes to standing up for my wife and the things she enjoys I tend to do that. So I am sorry if I ruffled feathers with my hair-trigger reactions, but it is what it is.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 17:28:14 GMT -5
And this is why I don't read, or participate in the creation of, fanfiction. Not my thing. Never will be. I've tried. But I cannot. I am not made of the stuff that can handle fanfiction. Gah. Every comic ever written not by the original creators is either pastiche or fan-fiction; professional fan fiction*, but fan-fiction or pastiche nonetheless. -M *Amazon even takes submissions for such for properties they have licensed Disagree on two parts. One, if you are contracted by the license owner to author the story, you're not a "fan." You're an employee. Two, those who are contracted to write these stories may or may not even like the characters they've been hired to write stories about. Their expertise is what lead them there, and their assignment is surely constrained to editorial approval to keep the characters true to whatever spirit the license owners think it should be held to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 17:30:26 GMT -5
Every comic ever written not by the original creators is either pastiche or fan-fiction; professional fan fiction*, but fan-fiction or pastiche nonetheless. -M *Amazon even takes submissions for such for properties they have licensed Disagree on two parts. One, if you are contracted by the license owner to author the story, you're not a "fan." You're an employee. Two, those who are contracted to write these stories may or may not even like the characters they've been hired to write stories about. Their expertise is what lead them there, and their assignment is surely constrained to editorial approval to keep the characters true to whatever spirit the license owners think it should be held to. If you are contracted to write someone else's creation, it is still pastiche. Hence, either fan fiction OR pastiche. -M
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 18:36:01 GMT -5
There is certainly subsets of fan fiction, such as slash fiction, shipping fiction, erotica etc. that focuses on the sexual and/or romantic aspects of characters, and a lot of it can be classified as rapey, perverse or terrible, but it really has no more to do with the rest of fan fiction than super-hero porn parodies have to do with the rest of super-hero movies or some of the fan-made films featuring super-heroes that are out there that feature original stories done by people outside the corporate control of the characters. The internet wallows in the terrible, so it is no more surprising that a lot of the fan fic on the net is from that subset than it is to encounter other material wallowing in the worst on the net (porn itself probably makes up an inordinate percentage of all internet content out there). One of my wife's hobbies is reading fan-fic (hence here encounter with the Avengers/Sesame Street x-over story that I commented on to start all of this). She avoids the shipping/slash fiction subset like the plague. But she takes a lot of shit from people who speak out of ignorance and make judgmental responses about fan fic and the people who read it, and I have had this discussion and go around way too many times because of it. I have probably developed a hair-trigger response because, well when it comes to standing up for my wife and the things she enjoys I tend to do that. So I am sorry if I ruffled feathers with my hair-trigger reactions, but it is what it is. -M I would NEVER in a billion years ever intentionally insult you or your wife, or the things you do or like. And that is why I apologize. Sometimes I think I forget that people's opinions should be handed out more carefully because they can be personally insulting. Though, I would never intend it to be that, I'm sorry that is how it came across.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 19:18:51 GMT -5
There is certainly subsets of fan fiction, such as slash fiction, shipping fiction, erotica etc. that focuses on the sexual and/or romantic aspects of characters, and a lot of it can be classified as rapey, perverse or terrible, but it really has no more to do with the rest of fan fiction than super-hero porn parodies have to do with the rest of super-hero movies or some of the fan-made films featuring super-heroes that are out there that feature original stories done by people outside the corporate control of the characters. The internet wallows in the terrible, so it is no more surprising that a lot of the fan fic on the net is from that subset than it is to encounter other material wallowing in the worst on the net (porn itself probably makes up an inordinate percentage of all internet content out there). One of my wife's hobbies is reading fan-fic (hence here encounter with the Avengers/Sesame Street x-over story that I commented on to start all of this). She avoids the shipping/slash fiction subset like the plague. But she takes a lot of shit from people who speak out of ignorance and make judgmental responses about fan fic and the people who read it, and I have had this discussion and go around way too many times because of it. I have probably developed a hair-trigger response because, well when it comes to standing up for my wife and the things she enjoys I tend to do that. So I am sorry if I ruffled feathers with my hair-trigger reactions, but it is what it is. -M I would NEVER in a billion years ever intentionally insult you or your wife, or the things you do or like. And that is why I apologize. Sometimes I think I forget that people's opinions should be handed out more carefully because they can be personally insulting. Though, I would never intend it to be that, I'm sorry that is how it came across. It's cool. I know you didn't intend it, but knowing that doesn't always stop my hair trigger response. I am sorry you got caught in it, you bring a lot of value to our little community and I am glad you are a part of it. -M
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 20:31:29 GMT -5
I would NEVER in a billion years ever intentionally insult you or your wife, or the things you do or like. And that is why I apologize. Sometimes I think I forget that people's opinions should be handed out more carefully because they can be personally insulting. Though, I would never intend it to be that, I'm sorry that is how it came across. It's cool. I know you didn't intend it, but knowing that doesn't always stop my hair trigger response. I am sorry you got caught in it, you bring a lot of value to our little community and I am glad you are a part of it. -M I feel a big forum hug coming on! You'd better run.
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Post by dupersuper on Jan 20, 2016 1:30:06 GMT -5
There's not enough years in my life remaining to even contemplate reading derivative fanfic. Christ, the characters that they are based on are usually 50 years old or more and should have been buried awhile back (professionally) as it is Says the poster on the classic comics forum...
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jan 20, 2016 1:47:03 GMT -5
There's not enough years in my life remaining to even contemplate reading derivative fanfic. Christ, the characters that they are based on are usually 50 years old or more and should have been buried awhile back (professionally) as it is Says the poster on the classic comics forum... I wrote something here earlier, but I was feeling extra crusty, peeved and p.o.'d and having nothing to do with this site. Moving on.
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Post by Mormel on Jan 20, 2016 3:26:12 GMT -5
Had a pretty good time at the book club yesterday evening, and today I'm happy to see the schedule of the Film Festival in Rotterdam has been uploaded. Even if my viewing is going to be limited to 2 movies this year for lack of funds.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Jan 20, 2016 5:31:37 GMT -5
I am sorry to hear that others are having hard times. I know mine aren't much better right now. It's why I've been keeping off here so as to not drag everyone else down. I stayed home from work today and not for a happy reason. I got up the same time I usually do, forgetting the boys don't have school today, so I had time to kill. I got dressed and got back in bed (so I wouldn't fall asleep again) and was checking forums on my phone. I hadn't realized my wife was still awake, and had been most of the night. She pulled close to me crying and saying she wanted to give up, and asking if she could. She can't sleep and her bipolar has literally been chipping away at her in the last 2-3 years. I called my boss so I could stay home from work. Later as I laid there with her she told me that she thought about cutting herself again. Something she hadn't done since before I ever met her. I asked her why would she do that? And she said it so someone could see that she was in pain. Which I guess I take as feeling left out, though I didn't say much after that but for her to please not hurt herself. I have always trusted her with our boys, but I've feared this long before she told me that this morning, as I read a lot about bipolar to try and understand it. But I can't stay home forever, I have to work. Hopefully after she gets some rest we can maybe talk if she wants to. It's scary to think you are prepared for stuff academically, but when it is personally affecting you, just how little that academic preparation is. Though I think it at least kept me from overreacting outwardly. I am to go with her Thursday to her therapist to sign some papers so that I can admit her to the hospital if needed. She told me about that last week so I could prepare for time off work. So I was assuming she wasn't feeling stable. The papers are so I can admit her to the hospital even if she is unwilling at the time. I guess she's afraid she's falling into a place where she won't be in the right frame of mind to take care of herself. Thankfully we have plans with a good friend this weekend to met up with for a meal and drinks. And my sister and brother in law are going to take the boys to see The Force Awakens while we enjoy a night out. I am hoping that will help and that a change in the usual pace will lift her up some out of this low. I'm really sorry to hear about all of this. I hope things get better for you and your wife.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 6:51:45 GMT -5
Has anyone here watched "Making a Murderer" yet? I'm only on episode 3, and I'm quite disturbed by it. I'm not following the case, and my husband I decided to start watching it the other night, and wow. As of right now, I don't think he did it.
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