shaxper
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Post by shaxper on Apr 11, 2016 20:15:29 GMT -5
No. He's still around and more than likely skirting by the rules to keep getting fly with people at his leisure. Misogynistic language, especially when it's directed at individuals, is violence plain and simple. If this person has been allowed to continue posting here after harassing members of this board both publicly and through private messages, then I'm incredibly disappointed in anyone involved with that decision. That's nowhere near the full story. Or do you really think the mods simply sided with, or turned a blind eye to, a male member harassing female members? Rather than air dirty laundry here, why not give them a little more respect than that. This is not, and never has been, some boys' club, nor a place that sits idly by while anyone is being harassed. And, if anyone feels otherwise, do the courteous thing, and take it up with the mods privately. After that, if you're still convinced that the entire mod staff and I have performed a misjustice, you're always welcome to go elsewhere for your comic discussion needs.
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Post by realjla on Apr 11, 2016 20:33:06 GMT -5
Or just 'name and shame'.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Apr 11, 2016 20:36:54 GMT -5
Or just 'name and shame'. Because that always works out so well for everyone. Seriously, as Shaxper said, if issues arise reporting them or pm'ing a mod are the only mature actions to take.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 11, 2016 22:40:34 GMT -5
I'm sorry I asked. I trust the people in charge of this haven. Lets all step back and take a deep breath.
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Confessor
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Post by Confessor on Apr 12, 2016 5:59:59 GMT -5
As Shaxper and thwhtguardian have said, if issues that you are concerned about arise, contact a mod. This is not the place to discuss specific poster's complaints or the mod's handling of them because such things are confidential between the posters concerned (on both sides) and the mods. Rest assured that the concerns of females posters here are and were given the utmost attention and, in this particular case, were dealt with in a way that they were initially perfectly happy with. Like I say, I'm not going to go into specifics because, frankly, if you weren't directly involved in this specific matter then it isn't really any of your business. However, I would like to quickly address a few comments and points made recentky in this thread, just to reassure the wider community... Has the offending poster been banned? No. He's still around and more than likely skirting by the rules to keep getting fly with people at his leisure. If this person has been allowed to continue posting here after harassing members of this board both publicly and through private messages, then I'm incredibly disappointed in anyone involved with that decision. The person concerned is still posting here, but posting under a completely unprecedented set of posting restrictions and conditions that were placed on him. A set of conditions that Coldwater herself was initially happy with and which made her feel safe. So, please don't be thinking that the mods turned a blind eye or didn't take her seriously. Quite the opposite: we are all unanimous in our attitude that any females on this board need robust protection. I'm not prepared to say any more on the subject than that, but please give us a little bit more credit than assuming we did nothing or turned a blind eye. I hope that if Ms CW and Ms Jezebel never return that they at least have some good memories to outweigh the bad. But I hope they do. But would understand if they don't. I enjoyed conversations with both of them. I sincerely hope that they return too and, given Jez's history of deleting her account and then coming back again (not just here but going back years into the old CBR community), I think it's likely that she will return before too long. As for Coldwater, I hope she comes back ASAP too.
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Post by thehoneydripper on Apr 12, 2016 6:45:25 GMT -5
For people have done nothing wrong, you're taking this aufully personal. We're not talking details here, or even asking for them. Go ahead and delte this one too, doesn't make me or us any less wrong in wanting to have dialogue about how we can make sure everyone feels good about posting here.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Apr 12, 2016 7:11:59 GMT -5
For people have done nothing wrong, you're taking this aufully personal. We're not talking details here, or even asking for them. Go ahead and delte this one too, doesn't make me or us any less wrong in wanting to have dialogue about how we can make sure everyone feels good about posting here. Dialogue is perfectly acceptable, but the means for said communication and the reasons have been given and they don't involve discussing them here in this thread. There are ways and means of affecting change in a community that are mature and respectful...but going about it in the manner that occurred last night was not one them.
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Post by thehoneydripper on Apr 12, 2016 7:17:49 GMT -5
Word? Oh, okay.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 12, 2016 7:36:58 GMT -5
For people have done nothing wrong, you're taking this aufully personal. We're not talking details here, or even asking for them. Go ahead and delte this one too, doesn't make me or us any less wrong in wanting to have dialogue about how we can make sure everyone feels good about posting here. You talk about it being important for posters to feel safe around here? The moderators couldn't agree more! If you or anyone have a problem with a post, report it. Don't indulge in passive-aggressive BS, don't post snide remarks that only make things worse, report it. Believe it or not, our community is dear to us and because we do want it to thrive all problematic posts are treated seriously. In the case that seems to concern you so much, the situation was handled with sympathy toward the person who complained; enough so that unprecedented measures were taken to correct the situation. There will however be no village mob with torches and pitchforks to drive out posters who are complying by the rules, no matter how much you don't like them. That would be a sure way to make people feel unsafe : to take decisions based on the popularity of the involved parties instead of compliance to the rules. It's not easy to be fair to everyone when a conflict arises, but I know that the one way not to do it is to play favourites. This community is the finest I know on the net, mostly because its members act in a generally mature and respectful manner requiring very little moderation -I mean, the things we usually deal with are cuss words or comic-book pictures inappropriate for children. I am sad that we suddenly have to deal with a private situation that was handled off-board, one that was resolved (if grudgingly by all involved) several weeks ago. I don't think this is about feeling safe anymore... I think this is about winning an argument. Do we really want to go that way? It doesn't strike me as a very productive endeavour.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Apr 12, 2016 8:09:41 GMT -5
I would like to join with the rest of the mod staff to reiterate our feelings about the situation in question. I communicated with the female poster who reported the issue in depth through a number of long and emotional PM exchanges. As stated, in regards to the rest of the board, the content of those messages are frankly none of your business. However at no time were her concerns ignored, slighted, down played, or diminished. They were taken seriously and resulted in CCF's first and so far only temp ban and the invention of an "online restraining order" against the offender, which has not been broken.
You yell, with your torch and pitchfork in hand, that he must be banned!! If he's been temp-banned, put under unprecedented restrictions, and has demonstrably complied with them, on what grounds do you propose we ban them? Or do we ban them just because someone demanded it? How is that fair?
I'm sorry that it appears that at least one poster has deleted his account, presumably over this. I'm also sorry that so many were so quick to believe so badly of us who are trying to give you a fun, safe place to interact, based primarily on one person's (presumably) 3rd person account.
FYI, we have also been slammed for having no female mods. Suffice it to say, that hasn't escaped our attention and it hasn't been for lack of trying.
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Post by thehoneydripper on Apr 12, 2016 8:22:48 GMT -5
Save your blustering for somebody who cares. You don't intimidate me, and I don't do passive aggressive. Reporting posts to you mods is not going to do anything, we all know this. I'm going above your heads on this one, you're being reported to the proper channels.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Apr 12, 2016 8:26:32 GMT -5
Save your blustering for somebody who cares. You don't intimidate me, and I don't do passive aggressive. Reporting posts to you mods is not going to do anything, we all know this. I'm going above your heads on this one, you're being reported to the proper channels. What exactly are the proper channels? Who exactly are you going to?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 12, 2016 8:35:34 GMT -5
Save your blustering for somebody who cares. You don't intimidate me, and I don't do passive aggressive. Reporting posts to you mods is not going to do anything, we all know this. I'm going above your heads on this one, you're being reported to the proper channels. Considering you joined this community for the sole purpose of stirring the embers of one particular dispute that had already been settled (the proof of which being that you have exactly zero posts that concern comic-books) I'd say you are in no position to talk about intimidation. Do you have something to contribute, thehoneydripper? Because right now you don't seem to want anything else than to pick a fight. Also, what's this thing about reporting posts to mods not doing anything? Even mods have had posts removed in the past few days after someone complained!
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shaxper
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Post by shaxper on Apr 12, 2016 8:36:47 GMT -5
Save your blustering for somebody who cares. You don't intimidate me, And who is trying to intimidate you? You know, for all the heated discussion here, no one has been disciplined, suspended, or banned. One person opted to self-delete their account without even talking with us.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 12, 2016 16:24:45 GMT -5
Man.
The poster in question was banned and restored. That's the fair thing to do. It can't be one strike and your out. He did his time, let's start over and practice a little forgiveness.
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