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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 18:25:11 GMT -5
You can have both spectacular action as well as a compelling, intelligent plot.
Transformers movies have never been about that. But...if I want to see giant robots, giant mayhem, destruction on a global scale, along with Michael Bay's trademark fireworks special effects, and quite simply, just have a fun time...these movies are it.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jun 27, 2014 18:32:17 GMT -5
I would say it's the source material that riles people to say he's destroying a franchise. But they started out as toys. And while my lower income upbringing never afford the toys when I did play with my friend we pretty much blew shit up and fought with each other. Which is pretty much what the movies are.
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Post by Pharozonk on Jun 27, 2014 19:40:06 GMT -5
You can have both spectacular action as well as a compelling, intelligent plot.
Transformers movies have never been about that. But...if I want to see giant robots, giant mayhem, destruction on a global scale, along with Michael Bay's trademark fireworks special effects, and quite simply, just have a fun time...these movies are it. If the G.I Joe movies can make good movies out of toys, I don't see why Transformers can't.
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Post by The Captain on Jun 27, 2014 19:45:29 GMT -5
Transformers movies have never been about that. But...if I want to see giant robots, giant mayhem, destruction on a global scale, along with Michael Bay's trademark fireworks special effects, and quite simply, just have a fun time...these movies are it. If the G.I Joe movies can make good movies out of toys, I don't see why Transformers can't. They made good movies out of the G.I. Joe toys? When did that happen, because I've only seen two really lousy ones so far?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 19:48:14 GMT -5
Because he's a lousy director and his movies suck. In your opinion of course...but if his movies can make over $1 billion worldwide, clearly, there are hundreds of millions who don't agree. By that logic, you're opinions of Rob Liefeld comics are wrong too, because they sold well at their height and the masses of comic consumer's wallets disagreed with you. Commercial success does not equate to quality. Something can be terrible and popular. -M
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Post by shaxper on Jun 27, 2014 19:50:10 GMT -5
Please watch the language, folks."You know what I did this morning? I played the voice of a toy. Some terrible robot toys from Japan that changed from one thing to another. The Japanese have funded a full-length animated cartoon about the doings of these toys, which is all bad outer-space stuff. I play a planet. I menace somebody called Something-or-other. Then I'm destroyed. My plan to destroy Whoever-it-is is thwarted and I tear myself apart on the screen." --Orson Welles on playing Unicron "The irony of [Welles] playing a planet-sized eating machine wasn't lost on anyone." --Michael McConnohie(Transformer's voice-actor) As amusing as I find this...there is something sad and pathetic about a genius like Welles not being able to escape the lure of middle-brow pop-culture slumming for a paycheck. It was really no worse than his wine commercial. Clearly, he didn't mind selling out so long as it wasn't with a film he was directing. I do always find it tragic, though, when great actors go out with bad movies. Welles and Raul Julia take the cake for this.
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Post by Pharozonk on Jun 27, 2014 19:51:18 GMT -5
If the G.I Joe movies can make good movies out of toys, I don't see why Transformers can't. They made good movies out of the G.I. Joe toys? When did that happen, because I've only seen two really lousy ones so far? Compared to the Transformers movies, they are significantly better. I'm not saying they're high art movies, but as far as dumb, action packed blockbuster, the GI Joe movies do it a lot better.
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Post by The Captain on Jun 27, 2014 19:54:45 GMT -5
They made good movies out of the G.I. Joe toys? When did that happen, because I've only seen two really lousy ones so far? Compared to the Transformers movies, they are significantly better. I'm not saying they're high art movies, but as far as dumb, action packed blockbuster, the GI Joe movies do it a lot better. Agreed on this point, but that's like saying getting mauled by a polar bear is a better death than getting crushed by a stampede of wildebeests. One might be better than the other, but neither one is particularly pleasant.
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Post by Crimebuster on Jun 27, 2014 19:55:32 GMT -5
The G.I. Joe movies are bad. Very bad. At least, the first one is, I never saw the second one.
But !Pharazonk! is right, as bad as the first G.I. Joe movie is, it's still better than Transformers.
G.I. Joe: Rise of Cobara - C- Transformers - D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 19:59:11 GMT -5
By that logic, you're opinions of Rob Liefeld comics are wrong too, because they sold well at their height and the masses of comic consumer's wallets disagreed with you. My opinions of Rob Liefeld comics are simply that they do nothing for me, artwise or anything else. I never said his crap books didn't sell. Almost anything did back then...
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Post by The Captain on Jun 27, 2014 19:59:53 GMT -5
I do always find it tragic, though, when great actors go out with bad movies. Welles and Raul Julia take the cake for this. In fairness to Raul Julia, he did Street Fighter because his kids loved the game and he wanted to do it for them.
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Post by Pharozonk on Jun 27, 2014 19:59:52 GMT -5
The second GI Joe movie is better than the first.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 20:06:45 GMT -5
The second GI Joe movie is better than the first. Not for me, perhaps because I'm tired of seeing The Rock everywhere.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 27, 2014 20:08:35 GMT -5
The second GI Joe movie is better than the first. Birds Do It is better than both
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Post by shaxper on Jun 27, 2014 20:18:41 GMT -5
In fairness to Raul Julia, he did Street Fighter because his kids loved the game and he wanted to do it for them. Did not know this!
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