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Post by DE Sinclair on Jul 2, 2014 16:24:10 GMT -5
Definitely not a lawyer, and I know states vary, but there is such a thing as "at will" laws. One aspect of them that I ran up against is that employers (and employees)in states with those laws employ people (or in the case of employees, work) "at will" and can hire or fire (or quit) for any reason or no reason, as long as it doesn't conflict with other laws (anti-discriminatory, etc). The situation I was in, I was fired in blatant conflict with the process set down in the company's employee handbook, but couldn't do anything about it because it wasn't a contract and they employed me "at will". May have no bearing on anything else in the discussion, but that was my experience.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 18:29:23 GMT -5
HR just left me a voice mail to call them. I'm terminated because of missing too much work with my kidney stone, back, and surgery. It's hard to believe. Yesterday I got my monthly sales report for June and I had taken the numbers from $20K, before I hired on, to $48K. The owner is a Bible thumper, and that scares me. I thought this guy would be different. Every time I've worked for someone like that, it's been bad. I really don't get it. The people that walk the walk, that's cool, but more than not, don't, in my experience. Sorry to hear that hondo, hope things work out. So called "bible thumpers" are sometimes wolves in sheeps clothing. The devil can quote any chapter and verse...
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Post by Rob Allen on Jul 2, 2014 18:30:12 GMT -5
Damn, Mark, that really sucks. Do they have a competitor that you could go work for?
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Post by dupersuper on Jul 2, 2014 19:39:38 GMT -5
Speaking of movies with strong reactions, I just have to share...everyone loved The Departed, and it won all kinds of praise...I was not impressed. Speaking of annoying modern movies, if 1 more horror movie about ghosts or demons claims to be "based on a true story" I may just give up...
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 2, 2014 20:23:39 GMT -5
HR just left me a voice mail to call them. I'm terminated because of missing too much work with my kidney stone, back, and surgery. It's hard to believe. Yesterday I got my monthly sales report for June and I had taken the numbers from $20K, before I hired on, to $48K. The owner is a Bible thumper, and that scares me. I thought this guy would be different. Every time I've worked for someone like that, it's been bad. I really don't get it. The people that walk the walk, that's cool, but more than not, don't, in my experience. In the wake of this week's Supreme Court decision, this unconscionable act takes on an even more frightening dimension. Maybe the thumper figures that by kicking you out the door, he'll force the Lord to open a window. (What's the emoticon for sneering sarcasm?) Sorry to hear about this, hondo, and I do hope that this works out for you. I hope, as Shax said, that you'll look back on this and be glad you're not working for this hypocrite.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 2, 2014 20:26:23 GMT -5
Definitely not a lawyer, and I know states vary, but there is such a thing as "at will" laws. One aspect of them that I ran up against is that employers (and employees)in states with those laws employ people (or in the case of employees, work) "at will" and can hire or fire (or quit) for any reason or no reason, as long as it doesn't conflict with other laws (anti-discriminatory, etc). The situation I was in, I was fired in blatant conflict with the process set down in the company's employee handbook, but couldn't do anything about it because it wasn't a contract and they employed me "at will". May have no bearing on anything else in the discussion, but that was my experience. Of course. And the firing often coincides with increases that have to be paid in salary and/or commission. Shocking. Cue Claude Rains.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 21:54:53 GMT -5
One of the local radio stations plays a little blurb that may be appropriate here-going to church no more makes you a Christian than sitting in the garage makes you a car...
-M
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 22:12:50 GMT -5
HR just left me a voice mail to call them. I'm terminated because of missing too much work with my kidney stone, back, and surgery. It's hard to believe. Yesterday I got my monthly sales report for June and I had taken the numbers from $20K, before I hired on, to $48K. The owner is a Bible thumper, and that scares me. I thought this guy would be different. Every time I've worked for someone like that, it's been bad. I really don't get it. The people that walk the walk, that's cool, but more than not, don't, in my experience. I have mentioned a couple times on the old board that I spent several years as a drug addict. I had been arrested more times than I'd like to admit. When I got clean I was 26 years old and entering the workforce for the first time pretty much. I had jobs before, crappy jobs where I had either quit or got fired within a month. With plenty of time unemployed in between. Over a year on more than one occasion. So I had no references, no work history worth putting down on an application. I was fresh out of jail with a trial still pending. I was putting in applications everywhere. I started at Gamestop for minimum wage, a couple weeks later McDonalds called back and offered me an extra fifty cents or so, so I went there. Then another few weeks pass and my friend's step dad offered me a job at the hardware store he's assistant manager of. It was a great opportunity considering my track record for failure. The owner was a bible thumper, every employee at the store was a member of his church, except for me. They were nice enough though, and didn't even ask about my past. They'd constantly invite me to church, I'd politely decline. They loudly and openly discussed faith at work, I just kept my mouth shut. They invited me to church outings, like bowling, I'd just say I was busy. There was an old lady that worked there who would ask people to pray with her in the break room. She would not let up, and would turn out the lights and want to hold hands and make a big deal out of it. I didn't like having my break the same time as her, and said so to the manager. I told him why too, and said it made me uncomfortable. A couple days later the assistant manager called me into the office and fired me. He broke down crying when he did, I told him it was no big deal, but as I walked home I started crying too. I was super pissed off. It all worked out for the better, I went to truck driving school immediately after that and doubled my income within a couple months. So in my (limited) experience, the evangelical type can be awesome bosses, as long as you share their faith.
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Post by coke & comics on Jul 2, 2014 22:52:06 GMT -5
HR just left me a voice mail to call them. I'm terminated because of missing too much work with my kidney stone, back, and surgery. It's hard to believe. Yesterday I got my monthly sales report for June and I had taken the numbers from $20K, before I hired on, to $48K. The owner is a Bible thumper, and that scares me. I thought this guy would be different. Every time I've worked for someone like that, it's been bad. I really don't get it. The people that walk the walk, that's cool, but more than not, don't, in my experience. I would tell a lawyer what you just told us and get some advice. A lot of states have a bar association which can set you up with an inexpensive consultation.
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 2, 2014 23:14:21 GMT -5
Thanks you guys for everything ! Really !
I'm not personally religious, though I was certainly raised that way. My mother is Super Catholic, and a true believer, but she walks the walk and is a genuine person with solid ethics.
If someone believes and follows, great for them, but unfortunately my experience has shown most people crowing like that are not real.
What really gets me is that I loved this job, was really proud of the company, and had the numbers to back it up.
Down the road, I'll be contacting some competitors.
Also, Oklahoma is an At Will state, as most now are, however, employees can't be discriminated against for "race, age (40 and over), sex, national origin, religion or mental or Physical Disabilty."
I think that's where we might have a case, as the only work I've missed was due to medical (back and kidney stones).
Probably talking with an employment attorney tomorrow.
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Post by Jasoomian on Jul 2, 2014 23:28:28 GMT -5
At least this way you can (maybe?) collect unemployment checks while you're under the knife. Better than unpaid leave in some ways?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 23:28:56 GMT -5
For my fellow Dr. Strange fans and any Lego fans we might have on the forum-one of the submitted ideas on the Lego site is for a Sanctum Sanctorum playset. It needs a lot of support before they review the viability of this set..but you can see more here with the the Bleeding Cool article and on the proposal page on the Lego site. -M
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 0:03:44 GMT -5
I have wondered for quite a while why age discrimination only applies to people above age forty? Perfectly okay to not want any 21 year olds working for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 1:11:58 GMT -5
Also, Oklahoma is an At Will state, as most now are, however, employees can't be discriminated against for "race, age (40 and over), sex, national origin, religion or mental or Physical Disabilty." I think that's where we might have a case, as the only work I've missed was due to medical (back and kidney stones). Probably talking with an employment attorney tomorrow. I hope to god things work out on that front for you. I was too dispirited after my own dismissal back in 2/01 from my editing job at the Little Rock daily to pursue any sort of case, even though I might've had one. When I presented my supervisors with a letter from my shrink recommending that I be taken off nights because the hours were potentially exacerbating my bipolar tendencies (not at all unusual with the condition, I gather), their response a day or so later after consulting with HR was to ... tell me to withdraw the letter. Which didn't please me overmuch, & a day later my 9 years & 50 weeks of employment were over. *sigh* The fact that the excecutive editor at the time was a self-styled libertarian (a 5-syllable synonym for "fascist," of course, at least in the U.S.) & silk-stocking lawyer (along with being a dilettante journalist who got the job basically because he'd been the publisher's baby broker ... but I digress) who regarded anti-discrimination legislation as anathema didn't exactly encourage me to proceed with any sort of claim ... but probably I should have. Oh, well. For various reasons, not all of them purely job-related, conditions in my life were pretty toxic back then. Just as well that they started unraveling, even though it's pretty clear that, at this late date, I'll never recover financially from the ensuing several years of reversals.
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 3, 2014 1:17:11 GMT -5
Oh that sucks Dan !
I think these things happen more than we know, and most of the time the company gets away with it.
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