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Post by Ish Kabbible on Sept 26, 2016 11:45:59 GMT -5
There's an interesting article that I don't recall the name of off the top of my head, but the gist is people get promoted to their highest level of incompetence. Basically, since the job structure at least in the USA compensates based on title rather than skills, people move up into jobs they aren't a good fit for because they want the things that come with it. Classic example is a sales person who becomes a sales manager. Maybe they don't want the variable pay of commission anymore, or the crazy hours. Since the manager job has a fat salary, relatively 8-5 hours, maybe some perks or bonuses, a sales guy may want to become a manager. The trouble is, being a good salesperson and being a good manager are two entirely different skill sets, and a person who is good at one may be poor at the other. The highest level of incompetence is essentially the position where you aren't good enough to move up any higher, but you aren't quite bad enough at it to get fired, so you stagnate there. The article eventually advocates for incentivizing people within the jobs they are good, so pay for results and skills rather than titles or arbitrary spots on the corporate ladder. If so and so is really good where they are, pay them more to stay there rather than them wanting to move "up" just because. Anyway, I found it fascinating. It's called The Peter Principle and the book was written in 1969 by Lawrence J. Peters
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Post by DE Sinclair on Sept 27, 2016 16:23:21 GMT -5
Awesome , pip. You restored my faith in humanity for 20 minutes. I am pretty sure most people would have reacted like I did. You'd be surprised. A few years ago I was driving through a fairly busy small residential/small business intersection when I saw a woman sprawled spread-eagle on the sidewalk, looking like she collapsed. No one was stopping. I pulled over and ran to the woman, yelling "are you all right?" She suddenly popped up to a sitting position and started screaming at me for bothering her. You just never can tell.
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Post by hondobrode on Sept 27, 2016 23:17:19 GMT -5
There's an interesting article that I don't recall the name of off the top of my head, but the gist is people get promoted to their highest level of incompetence. Basically, since the job structure at least in the USA compensates based on title rather than skills, people move up into jobs they aren't a good fit for because they want the things that come with it. Classic example is a sales person who becomes a sales manager. Maybe they don't want the variable pay of commission anymore, or the crazy hours. Since the manager job has a fat salary, relatively 8-5 hours, maybe some perks or bonuses, a sales guy may want to become a manager. The trouble is, being a good salesperson and being a good manager are two entirely different skill sets, and a person who is good at one may be poor at the other. The highest level of incompetence is essentially the position where you aren't good enough to move up any higher, but you aren't quite bad enough at it to get fired, so you stagnate there. The article eventually advocates for incentivizing people within the jobs they are good, so pay for results and skills rather than titles or arbitrary spots on the corporate ladder. If so and so is really good where they are, pay them more to stay there rather than them wanting to move "up" just because. Anyway, I found it fascinating. I've been in sales my whole life. Me, and many other sales people I've met over the years, have felt that other non-sales jobs should be incentivized like sales people, to get them to strive and achieve to hit certain goals. I was a manager years ago, but have been a salesman, fending for myself and not having to rely on others for my numbers. As I get older, I'm thinking maybe with the right opportunity I could go back to managing. If I have incentives, which of course all managers do, I would structure incentives for my team of sales people, and would share my incentives with others who helped us get to our goals out of my own pocket if there was no other way to do it through the company.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 22:21:59 GMT -5
HURRICANE MATTHEW
I just watched a report a couple of minutes ago that HURRICANE MATTHEW is going straight towards the Bahamas and veering close to MIAMI and those people that live on the EAST SIDE of Florida is going to be affected.
It's a TROPICAL STORM now ... and it's could get worst.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2016 0:40:47 GMT -5
Update on Hurricane Matthew - It will hit Bahamas on Saturday and move to the east coast of Florida - pretty much off the coastline of Miami and listed as Category One.
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Post by Mormel on Sept 30, 2016 12:49:33 GMT -5
Just got home from work and I have three words for all of you:
Luke Cage marathon
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 2, 2016 5:00:01 GMT -5
You Can Never Go Back Home-Or Could You?
Well, I made my big move. I left Manhattan, my home for the past 40 years and now I'm in Rego Park, Queens, New York City. I'm about a mile or so from the old neighborhood I grew up in for most of my life, Forest Hills. In fact, since I moved to Manhattan in 1976, I never went back to visit. Not once. My old friends would visit me in the city and they all eventually moved away from the old neighborhood Weather permitting, in the next few days, I'm going to take a stroll through my old haunts. The schools I attended, the shopping areas, my old apartment buildings I lived in etc.
A lot changed in 40 years. Jimmy Carter elected president. Disco about to begin. Comics were what? 25 or 30 cents and sold all newsstands and convenience stores
This is going to feel very strange I'm sure. I'm going to load up my music player with songs from that time period to listen as I take the long tour
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 2, 2016 7:49:58 GMT -5
I hope living in Rego Park is a good experience for you. I lived there in 1984-1985 in the Lefrak city complex. After that I moved to Brooklyn.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 2, 2016 8:53:39 GMT -5
I hope living in Rego Park is a good experience for you. I lived there in 1984-1985 in the Lefrak city complex. After that I moved to Brooklyn. Small world. I could probably see your old apartment from my window since I'm on the 8th floor right on the opposite side of the LI expressway. Across the street from the old Alexander's Dept Store parking center which is now a big shopping mall. I stop into the Lefrak City Public Library branch occasionally as well. My old Forest Hills haunts would be the area of 108th St and Yellowstone Blvd between thr LIE and Queens Blvd. As I said, haven't been there for 40 years. And you and I are probably the only one's here to know what I'm talking about and give a hoot What part of Brooklyn did you go to? I know your in Staten Island now
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 2, 2016 10:40:42 GMT -5
For the most part I lived in Park Slope Brooklyn. I lived in Ft Greene for a year.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 3, 2016 6:21:56 GMT -5
So now, on top of all the changes I've gone through the past month or so, my laptop just had a hard drive error and won't boot up. It's asking for a bootable disc from the manufacturer which I don't own. Of course at this early hour nothing is open and all I can do is fret.
I have another, very old pc on it's last legs which I'm using now for the first time in ages.
A fantastic PC repair shop I used in the past is now reported closed according to Yelp. So I'm going to check out another place that has good reviews but never used before
I want to avoid my buying a new laptop for now since I'm very happy with the HP one I own. If I need a hard drive replacement, fine. Hopefully they can clone the old hard drive with all the programs onto the new one. I also have files I never got to export to a external hard drive and an excel program without a manufactures key to copy to a new laptop
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Post by impulse on Oct 3, 2016 9:43:19 GMT -5
I've been in sales my whole life. Me, and many other sales people I've met over the years, have felt that other non-sales jobs should be incentivized like sales people, to get them to strive and achieve to hit certain goals. I was a manager years ago, but have been a salesman, fending for myself and not having to rely on others for my numbers. As I get older, I'm thinking maybe with the right opportunity I could go back to managing. If I have incentives, which of course all managers do, I would structure incentives for my team of sales people, and would share my incentives with others who helped us get to our goals out of my own pocket if there was no other way to do it through the company. Yeah, those guidelines weren't hard and fast rules. It's not impossible for good sales people to also be good managers, etc. I believe the focus was more on tying incentives to match skills and desires rather than arbitrarily tying them to job tiles just because. And yeah, I'm in a sales related role, and one thing my company now does very well is they have similar incentives for all the teams that work together so we are working toward the same goals. It helps to have everyone's energies going in the same direction.
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Post by hondobrode on Oct 3, 2016 9:47:21 GMT -5
You're point is valid impulse : most successful sales people that get promoted to management are not successful managers as they are mostly two different skill sets.
For example, I worked with a "sales partner" for 5 years as a team in an experimental structure. We had to split commissions 50/50 despite me being the more successful of the two.
While he wasn't as strong a sales person, I always thought he would have made a very good sales manager.
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 3, 2016 14:12:30 GMT -5
Woke up this morning and noticed that the hot water didn't get warm while I was brushing my teeth. I knew that it was gonna be bad news. When I went to the basement I saw water all over the floor. My water heater went bad. I guess the good part is that I'm off today and that my closest friend does this for a living. Another unexpected expense.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 3, 2016 14:22:55 GMT -5
Continuing my onslaught of bad karma
Had a dental appointment today and learned that I will be going in for dental surgery on the 20th.
And the hits just keep on coming
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