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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 20, 2017 5:15:14 GMT -5
I'm in a bit of a geek dilemma, I stopped buying any further comics for the foreseeable future , but I have an uninterrupted run of Savage Dragon from 1-222. The geek in me doesn't want to stop the run, but the book has lost my interest over the last half year and also, he keeps ripping President Trump in the comic. Hey, he can do what he wants with his comic but i would think that , since he has a circulation of under 5000 copies a month, he would tone it down.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 20, 2017 5:43:09 GMT -5
I'm in a bit of a geek dilemma, I stopped buying any further comics for the foreseeable future , but I have an uninterrupted run of Savage Dragon from 1-222. The geek in me doesn't want to stop the run, but the book has lost my interest over the last half year and also, he keeps ripping President Trump in the comic. Hey, he can do what he wants with his comic but i would think that , since he has a circulation of under 5000 copies a month, he would tone it down. Perhaps a large part of his readership consists of individuals who share his views. In any case, an artist should be true to their vision. "Will it sell more"? is not a question I want a creator to ask themselves!
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Post by Confessor on Jul 20, 2017 5:51:43 GMT -5
I'm in a bit of a geek dilemma, I stopped buying any further comics for the foreseeable future , but I have an uninterrupted run of Savage Dragon from 1-222. The geek in me doesn't want to stop the run, but the book has lost my interest over the last half year and also, he keeps ripping President Trump in the comic. Hey, he can do what he wants with his comic but i would think that , since he has a circulation of under 5000 copies a month, he would tone it down. The part I've highlighted is the important bit. Life's too short for bad comics. Drop it. Drop it, now. I know how you feel though because I suffer from geek collecting OCD too. About 18 months ago I took the decision to drop Amazing Spider-Man, which I'd been buying regularly or semi-regularly since I was 10 or 11. But the truth of the matter was that I hadn't 100% enjoyed the series since the One More Day/Brand New Day debacle, almost 8 years earlier (the book had its ups and downs, sure, but something about the post-OMD status quo just really stuck in my craw). Anyway, I finally took the plunge and...actually, it's fine. I don't miss it at all. A few months later I even went so far as to sell 8 years worth of post-OMD/BND issues and I don't miss them either. I spent the money from that sale on acquiring a ton of Bronze Age Spidey comics, which I enjoy a whole lot more. My point is that, in my experience, the "fear" of ending an ongoing collection and not having a complete series is a bigger deal than the reality. Drop the title and see for yourself. Worst comes to the worst, if you really can't live without mediocre or annoying issues of Savage Dragon, just start buying them again and pick up the issues you missed online. Go on, give giving up a try. Jeez, I oughta start a support group!
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 20, 2017 8:04:40 GMT -5
I feel better already, now that I have permission to let go. Whew
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 20, 2017 8:06:11 GMT -5
I'm in a bit of a geek dilemma, I stopped buying any further comics for the foreseeable future , but I have an uninterrupted run of Savage Dragon from 1-222. The geek in me doesn't want to stop the run, but the book has lost my interest over the last half year and also, he keeps ripping President Trump in the comic. Hey, he can do what he wants with his comic but i would think that , since he has a circulation of under 5000 copies a month, he would tone it down. Perhaps a large part of his readership consists of individuals who share his views. In any case, an artist should be true to their vision. "Will it sell more"? is not a question I want a creator to ask themselves! Maybe, but it was getting obnoxious. Stick to superheroics , please.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 20, 2017 8:08:09 GMT -5
And his " vision" shouldn't be to blast the president every chance he gets. It has nothing to do with his comic.
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Post by The Captain on Jul 20, 2017 8:12:22 GMT -5
I'm in a bit of a geek dilemma, I stopped buying any further comics for the foreseeable future , but I have an uninterrupted run of Savage Dragon from 1-222. The geek in me doesn't want to stop the run, but the book has lost my interest over the last half year and also, he keeps ripping President Trump in the comic. Hey, he can do what he wants with his comic but i would think that , since he has a circulation of under 5000 copies a month, he would tone it down. The part I've highlighted is the important bit. Life's too short for bad comics. Drop it. Drop it, now. I know how you feel though because I suffer from geek collecting OCD too. About 18 months ago I took the decision to drop Amazing Spider-Man, which I'd been buying regularly or semi-regularly since I was 10 or 11. But the truth of the matter was that I hadn't 100% enjoyed the series since the One More Day/Brand New Day debacle, almost 8 years earlier (the book had its ups and downs, sure, but something about the post-OMD status quo just really stuck in my craw). Anyway, I finally took the plunge and...actually, it's fine. I don't miss it at all. A few months later I even went so far as to sell 8 years worth of post-OMD/BND issues and I don't miss them either. I spent the money from that sale on acquiring a ton of Bronze Age Spidey comics, which I enjoy a whole lot more. My point is that, in my experience, the "fear" of ending an ongoing collection and not having a complete series is a bigger deal than the reality. Drop the title and see for yourself. Worst comes to the worst, if you really can't live without mediocre or annoying issues of Savage Dragon, just start buying them again and pick up the issues you missed online. Go on, give giving up a try. Jeez, I oughta start a support group! I haven't really enjoyed Captain America since the end of Brubaker's run, but how does one give up on a series when he owns over 500 consecutive issues? I agree with you that it's fear, because then I can't say I have a complete uninterrupted run, but what does that matter if I don't like what I'm reading? Spending money every month on something that no longer brings me much, if any, pleasure is dumb, but yet I continue to do it. Can I join your support group?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 9:14:32 GMT -5
Perhaps a large part of his readership consists of individuals who share his views. In any case, an artist should be true to their vision. "Will it sell more"? is not a question I want a creator to ask themselves! Maybe, but it was getting obnoxious. Stick to superheroics , please. First I agree with confessor. I have dropped many series over the past 10 yrs just because I didn't like the direction. It frees up money to buy stuff you actually enjoy!
Second I totally agree with you about creators/entertainers & their views. I remember when Tom Cruise went over the top for Scientology. I could NOT watch any of his movies for years. All I saw on the screen was Tom Cruise the Scientologist not Tom Cruise the Actor.
This has happened to me with other entertainers. It's OK to have your own views but when you keep pushing them on me I will walk away. I know creators that have views that I disagree with that I like. I still buy their stuff. Why? Because they stick to entertaining not telling what their views are every chance they get.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 20, 2017 9:58:22 GMT -5
It seems he fits in a dig In every issue since the election. I was ignoring it but now that I decided to stop buying comics for a while, he has to pay the price.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 20, 2017 10:09:12 GMT -5
It seems he fits in a dig In every issue since the election. I was ignoring it but now that I decided to stop buying comics for a while, he has to pay the price. This is annoying. Like I could care less what creators/actors/actresses/singers do in their spare time as long as it doesn't effect the fiction. If it does, I'm done. Surprisingly though most of the people that go off the deep end, I could care less about. I think Prince is the only artist that's done that, that has effected me.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 20, 2017 10:17:40 GMT -5
Erik Larsen is known for being outspoken but it's gotten to be too much. I think a future issue has the lead characters moving to Canada to avoid the President.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 20, 2017 10:29:23 GMT -5
The part I've highlighted is the important bit. Life's too short for bad comics. Drop it. Drop it, now. I know how you feel though because I suffer from geek collecting OCD too. About 18 months ago I took the decision to drop Amazing Spider-Man, which I'd been buying regularly or semi-regularly since I was 10 or 11. But the truth of the matter was that I hadn't 100% enjoyed the series since the One More Day/Brand New Day debacle, almost 8 years earlier (the book had its ups and downs, sure, but something about the post-OMD status quo just really stuck in my craw). Anyway, I finally took the plunge and...actually, it's fine. I don't miss it at all. A few months later I even went so far as to sell 8 years worth of post-OMD/BND issues and I don't miss them either. I spent the money from that sale on acquiring a ton of Bronze Age Spidey comics, which I enjoy a whole lot more. My point is that, in my experience, the "fear" of ending an ongoing collection and not having a complete series is a bigger deal than the reality. Drop the title and see for yourself. Worst comes to the worst, if you really can't live without mediocre or annoying issues of Savage Dragon, just start buying them again and pick up the issues you missed online. Go on, give giving up a try. Jeez, I oughta start a support group! I haven't really enjoyed Captain America since the end of Brubaker's run, but how does one give up on a series when he owns over 500 consecutive issues? I agree with you that it's fear, because then I can't say I have a complete uninterrupted run, but what does that matter if I don't like what I'm reading? Spending money every month on something that no longer brings me much, if any, pleasure is dumb, but yet I continue to do it. Can I join your support group? Once your friends and family have performed an intervention, sure.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 20, 2017 11:23:12 GMT -5
And his " vision" shouldn't be to blast the president every chance he gets. It has nothing to do with his comic. Why? It's his book. He can do what he wants with it. If you don't like it you're free to drop it. Works out great for everyone involved.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 11:37:24 GMT -5
And his " vision" shouldn't be to blast the president every chance he gets. It has nothing to do with his comic. Why? It's his book. He can do what he wants with it. If you don't like it you're free to drop it. Works out great for everyone involved. Larsen is a satirist and his book has always been satirical. People love satire as long as they agree on the target (unless they are oblivious to the fact it is satire), but when a satirists targets something they disagree with, suddenly satire is not a valid form of fiction or entertainment any longer (or the creator is suddenly doing something different if they missed the fact it was satire all along) and the creator should stick to doing stories they like instead of what he has been doing all along, which is lambasting the targets of his or her satire. I have no problems with someone dropping a book because they don't like it, but no one really has the right to tell a creator what they should or shouldn't do unless they are hiring the creator and paying his or her complete salary (and no buying his product doesn't make you his boss in any way, shape, or form). If creators left their views, opinions, and/or politics out of their work, we would never have had many of the great works of our culture. After the fact, people forget the politics and remember the work. We forget things like Gulliver's Travels was a pointed commentary on the politics and social customs of the time and remember it only as a fantasy story, but it was satire, just as Larsen's Savage dragon is satire. If a creator is supposed to curb his or her views to make you OCD about complete runs easier, the problem is with you and not the creator. -M
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Post by Rob Allen on Jul 20, 2017 12:38:35 GMT -5
There's only one big animation studio here. And are you referring to something specific? I don't see any race-related stories in today's newspaper. the 'california raisins' guys. and the white power hubs in Oregon were a big concern back when I was flown up to their studio. The studio has new ownership since the Raisin days. And the white power movement feels very remote from the day-to-day lives of people in Portland. I suspect that it might be more noticeable the closer you get to Idaho.
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