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Post by Pharozonk on Nov 10, 2017 13:46:30 GMT -5
Jeez, now Dustin Hoffman too?!
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 10, 2017 20:12:52 GMT -5
I think Mariah Carey is sexy as all hell at that weight ^^ Seriously, I think she's much, much sexier now than she ever was when she was younger and thinner. No way is she what I would call fat; she has womanly curves and that's A-OK by me, brother! To me, Carey is a woman who has gotten hotter and hotter as she has aged. 40-something Mariah is much sexier than 20-something Mariah, in the same way that 40-something Brigitte Bardot was sexier than 20-something Bardot (IMHO, natch). Pity her music's so s**t! On a wider point, I don't really understand why Hollywood, the fashion world and the mainstream media has such a problem with women who have curves, and then, by proxy, why society at large seems to frown upon this body type. For starters, someone with Mariah's body type is a pretty positive body image role model for females, much more so than some unobtainable, stick thin super model, so we should be encouraging that in our mainstream media. And let's face it, Carey still looks fairly unattainably good, in her own way -- I imagine lots of 47-year-old women would like to look as good as her. Plus, as a sweeping generalisation, heterosexual men like curves. Heterosexual men like big boobs! Heterosexual men like big asses! We're pretty much biologically hardwired to like those things because, from a biological stand point, those characteristics represent a female form that has minimum danger associated with childbirth and can nourish our offspring adequately with high lactation potential. So, just who are the people in the media who are frowning upon this type of body shape and why?!! It baffles me. I've been a big fan of Carey since the beginning and have many of her Cd's. She looked great before and looked good until recently. Dude, that pic that I posted makes it look like she's pregnant. There's nothing wrong with getting your health back by losing weight.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 10, 2017 20:29:07 GMT -5
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Post by The Captain on Nov 10, 2017 20:58:14 GMT -5
At this point, I think the easier task is going to be putting together a list of men in politics and the entertainment industry who haven't ever sexually harassed or assaulted a woman. Probably be able to fit it on the back of a cocktail napkin.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 1:20:18 GMT -5
Andrew Kreisberg, an executive producer on the CW's Supergirl, Arrow, Flash and Legends of Tomorrow has been suspended by the network and is under investigation after allegations of sexual harassment have come forward. Story at Variety. George Takei, of Star Trek fame, has also been accused of a sexual assault on a former model that took place in 1981, story at The Hollywood Reporter. I am sure we will see a lot more of these stories coming to the surface now. -M
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 11, 2017 5:59:05 GMT -5
It's the newest News story and these charges against various people will begin to go out of fashion soon. The problem is that right now , no one is making a distinction between harassment and flirting.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 11, 2017 10:56:21 GMT -5
It's the newest News story and these charges against various people will begin to go out of fashion soon. The problem is that right now , no one is making a distinction between harassment and flirting. I see that as a huge problem. It is very trendy to surf the wave of outrage and make oneself look virtuous by pretending to be shocked by whatever the new revelation of the day might be. However, by overinflating the severity of minor offenses and calling them “sexual aggression”, we dilute the meaning of what an actual aggression is. It is the same thing as using loaded tems like “Nazi” to describe anyone who just happens to disagree with us. It would be unfortunate if the current awareness of the problem of sexual predation were to vanish in the next few months because we grew jaded of daily new revelations of famous people having done increasingly irrelevant things like telling dirty jokes or ask a colleague out.
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Post by The Captain on Nov 11, 2017 11:14:30 GMT -5
It's the newest News story and these charges against various people will begin to go out of fashion soon. The problem is that right now , no one is making a distinction between harassment and flirting. I see that as a huge problem. It is very trendy to surf the wave of outrage and make oneself look virtuous by pretending to be shocked by whatever the new revelation of the day might be. However, by overinflating the severity of minor offenses and calling them “sexual aggression”, we dilute the meaning of what an actual aggression is. It is the same thing as using loaded tems like “Nazi” to describe anyone who just happens to disagree with us. It would be unfortunate if the current awareness of the problem of sexual predation were to vanish in the next few months because we grew jaded of daily new revelations of famous people having done increasingly irrelevant things like telling dirty jokes or asked a colleague out. My wife and I were having a similar conversation this morning, in regard to making sure that we're correctly categorizing these incidents so that we don't lose sight of the truly heinous ones. Flirting: Male putting his arm around a woman's shoulder and saying "Hey, baby, how about you and me go out sometime?" Aggressive Flirting: Male putting his arm around a woman's shoulder, accidentally groping her breast in the process, and asking "Hey, baby, how about you and me go out sometime?" Sexual Harassment: Male putting his arm around a woman's shoulder, probably intentionally groping her breast in the process, and saying "Hey, baby, how about I stick my #$%^ in your @**?" Sexual Assault: Male putting his arm around a woman's shoulder, pulling her into an empty room and actually sticking his #$%^ in her @** without her consent. As well, what is the statute of limitation on the first two, at least, and probably the third one (the fourth one gets no pass, as it's wrong eternally)? So Dustin Hoffman groped Meryl Streep 40 years ago? Are we going to tarnish his entire legacy over one inappropriate action from four decades ago? Do we lump him in with a Harvey Weinstein or Roy Moore, men accused of truly heinous things, because he did something stupid? There has to be a measure of common sense used in these cases, or else it just becomes an unending string of who can dig up what to take down anyone they want to.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 11, 2017 12:53:50 GMT -5
I see that as a huge problem. It is very trendy to surf the wave of outrage and make oneself look virtuous by pretending to be shocked by whatever the new revelation of the day might be. However, by overinflating the severity of minor offenses and calling them “sexual aggression”, we dilute the meaning of what an actual aggression is. It is the same thing as using loaded tems like “Nazi” to describe anyone who just happens to disagree with us. It would be unfortunate if the current awareness of the problem of sexual predation were to vanish in the next few months because we grew jaded of daily new revelations of famous people having done increasingly irrelevant things like telling dirty jokes or asked a colleague out. My wife and I were having a similar conversation this morning, in regard to making sure that we're correctly categorizing these incidents so that we don't lose sight of the truly heinous ones. Flirting: Male putting his arm around a woman's shoulder and saying "Hey, baby, how about you and me go out sometime?" Aggressive Flirting: Male putting his arm around a woman's shoulder, accidentally groping her breast in the process, and asking "Hey, baby, how about you and me go out sometime?" Sexual Harassment: Male putting his arm around a woman's shoulder, probably intentionally groping her breast in the process, and saying "Hey, baby, how about I stick my #$%^ in your @**?" Sexual Assault: Male putting his arm around a woman's shoulder, pulling her into an empty room and actually sticking his #$%^ in her @** without her consent. As well, what is the statute of limitation on the first two, at least, and probably the third one (the fourth one gets no pass, as it's wrong eternally)? So Dustin Hoffman groped Meryl Streep 40 years ago? Are we going to tarnish his entire legacy over one inappropriate action from four decades ago? Do we lump him in with a Harvey Weinstein or Roy Moore, men accused of truly heinous things, because he did something stupid? There has to be a measure of common sense used in these cases, or else it just becomes an unending string of who can dig up what to take down anyone they want to. Well said, Captain. In my job there are occasionally accidents that occur that I feel are just things that you have to suck up. There has been times when I fell and didn't report anything. I just got up and placed a bad aid on myself . There are people that fall and go to doctors and take a year off. What am I saying ? I think that actresses brushing off unwanted sexual advances are part of the job description and it's part of being resilient. Of course I mean the first 3 examples of the Captains scenario and not the fourth.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 17:38:26 GMT -5
The big difference is when there's a power element involved - all 4 of those scenarios become completely altered when there's an explicit or implied "... or else you wont get this / any other job" attached to them
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 11, 2017 17:49:11 GMT -5
The big difference is when there's a power element involved - all 4 of those scenarios become completely altered when there's an explicit or implied "... or else you wont get this / any other job" attached to them That means that every woman has had to sleep with someone they didn't like to get a job in Hollywood. I don't think that's accurate.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 11, 2017 19:09:07 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 20:13:32 GMT -5
Good for her and she should kick him out for good.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 11, 2017 22:52:05 GMT -5
Sadly, that has been well known for some time. he has gotten a slap or two on the wrist, yet was allowed to continue to be employed at DC. Comics don't have a sterling reputation for business ethics and this illustrates that little has changed, even as they have entered the ega-conglomeration world. Quite frankly, if I had been a Warner exec, I would have started lopping off heads after Berganza's behavior became public knowledge and was shown to be woefully unpunished. Pretty much the entire DC executive staff turned a blind eye to this and more effort went into warning away female staff than actually doing something about the root cause. It may be wish fulfillment; but, I tend to believe that had Jenette Kahn still been publisher, his testicles would have been nailed to the wall, after the rest of him had been dumped out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 0:40:35 GMT -5
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