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Post by berkley on Oct 8, 2020 23:46:06 GMT -5
I was trying to remember the first time I saw the term "collector's item" on any comic... I'm torn in thinking it was either one of those DC oversized tabloid comics, or a special Cracked magazine. In either case all or mostly reprints, and yet a 'true' collector would ideally have original editions of everything, not reprints. I doubt the words even for a second kept me from cutting up anything I got the idea to cut up back then. Older fans might remember the Marvel Collector's Item Classics reprint title of the '60s as the first place they ever came across the term? The first #1 I think I ever had of a comic title was Richie Rich & Jackie Jokers #1. I didn't really like Harvey comics much, and that one less than most. I may've had Plop! #1 as a kid, but not from buying it new, as a coverless in trade. I did buy Plop! #2 and Shazam #2 though. Later I bought Rom and She-Hulk #1 when they first came out, it did make me try to stay with the titles because of it, but I did tire of 'Shulkie' before too long. Anyone remember their first #1 and if it made them more committed to collect them all?
The first #1 issue I remember buying off the drugstore rack-- I was five. Probably explains why I still have a soft spot for the green/white Kree uniform. I think my first Captain Marvel comic was CM#5, on the stands in June 1968 according to Mike's Newsstand, which would have made me 6 years old, and it and the 3 or 4 other early issues I read back then have definitely left me with some nostalgic affection for the old green and white uniform.
I like the red and white one too and rate the Starlin re-boot as the best run the character ever had, but I still think those early issues were good, and that they came up with an excellent character concept and visual design - in contrast (IMO, as always) to some other Marvel characters similarly invented for pre-emptive trademark reasons like She-Hulk and Spider-Woman.
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Post by brutalis on Oct 9, 2020 7:56:45 GMT -5
Yes, the good Captain Mar-Vell has always been a personal favorite of mine. Both of his costumes are outstanding designs. As I grew up watching lots of the 1950-1960's science fiction movies on television along with Trek and Lost in Space and Godzilla, I was instantly captivated with the concepts.
The entire aliens here on Earth secretly to "judge" us and Mar-Vell trapped inbetween his duty and growing admiration of Terran humanity was splendid. It meant the series went beyond just superhero tropes, giving multiple layers and contexts that could be explored. And then you get ALL the aliens of other worlds coming around poking into Earth's business with the haughty Kree and their we were here 1st attitude. Fun stuff indeed!
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Post by MDG on Oct 9, 2020 10:12:08 GMT -5
I was trying to remember the first time I saw the term "collector's item" on any comic... Warren used it a lot. This is from '64:
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Post by beccabear67 on Oct 9, 2020 13:17:15 GMT -5
They brought back the green and white for a MC-2 character, Earth Sentry, in 1998: ...and he's looking quite Colan-esque I thought!
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Post by brutalis on Oct 9, 2020 14:11:24 GMT -5
They brought back the green and white for a MC-2 character, Earth Sentry, in 1998: ...and he's looking quite Colan-esque I thought! That would be due to Ron Frenz "copy/mimic" or downright stealing 😁 classic Marvel artists styles. Frenz has the skill to do this without it feeling like true artistic theft IMO.
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 9, 2020 14:19:11 GMT -5
I always thought that Frenz was a Sal Buscema clone.
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Post by tartanphantom on Oct 9, 2020 15:05:15 GMT -5
I always thought that Frenz was a Sal Buscema clone. Now that you mention it... I see what you mean.
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Post by brutalis on Oct 9, 2020 16:11:23 GMT -5
I always thought that Frenz was a Sal Buscema clone. Frenz has cloned both Buscema, Colan, Trimpe, Heck, Tuska and many others. Take a look at his commissions online. He has his own style which is STRONGLY influenced by Sal and I will bet editors have regularly requested him to mimic specific artists on various series he has worked upon over the years. Personally, I LOVE Frenz artwork as he keeps the clean and classic style alive.
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Post by MDG on Oct 9, 2020 16:16:30 GMT -5
I always thought that Frenz was a Sal Buscema clone. Frenz has cloned both Buscema, Colan, Trimpe, Heck, Tuska and many others. Take a look at his commissions online. He has his own style which is STRONGLY influenced by Sal and I will bet editors have regularly requested him to mimic specific artists on various series he has worked upon over the years. Personally, I LOVE Frenz artwork as he keeps the clean and classic style alive. When my friends and I were dealing artwork, we had some Frenz Thor pages that were filled w/ Kirby swipes.
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Post by beccabear67 on Oct 10, 2020 13:08:13 GMT -5
I'm glad to see Frenz has some friends here. I found him a bit generic but he was really good on Spider-Man in the early '80s after Romita Jr. left. Romita Jr. was starting to get more idiosyncratic drawing people as wider, even Peter Parker was starting to look a bit like The Kingpin.
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Post by tarkintino on Oct 10, 2020 15:48:12 GMT -5
I was trying to remember the first time I saw the term "collector's item" on any comic... Warren used it a lot. This is from '64:
...and a year later, Marvel used a form of it as part of the title of...
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Post by tarkintino on Oct 10, 2020 15:50:10 GMT -5
I always thought that Frenz was a Sal Buscema clone. ...on purpose?!?
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 10, 2020 15:59:13 GMT -5
It got him work
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 10, 2020 19:40:55 GMT -5
Frenz and Buscema did some good work together.
I am ignoring the Frenz and Sal haters.
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 10, 2020 20:03:22 GMT -5
I’m in no way putting down Frenz. I feel that Marvel needed that “look” to continue on from what the Buscema brothers had established since the Late 60’s It was Kind of their house style after Kirby left Marvel the first time.
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