Crimebuster
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Post by Crimebuster on Jan 22, 2018 15:25:32 GMT -5
Busiek announced earlier today the current ongoing series is ending with #52.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 15:47:50 GMT -5
Busiek announced earlier today the current ongoing series is ending with #52. I just saw that. He did say it would continue as a series of OGNs though. Here's his announcement from Twitter... -M
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Post by Confessor on Jan 22, 2018 22:40:35 GMT -5
Busiek announced earlier today the current ongoing series is ending with #52. I just saw that. He did say it would continue as a series of OGNs though. Here's his announcement form Twitter... -M That is a bummer, but it's a surprise the series has gone on for as long as it has.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 22, 2018 23:41:21 GMT -5
That's funny, Silver Agent always screamed 'Captain America' to me... I assumed he was meant to be a direct analogue, where Busiek was intending to do some sort of story where the hero everyone looked up to went wrong along the way (sorta like the Hydra Cap thing, only.. good). I have really little memory of this one, you're going to make me pull out the pile with this thread, aren't you? I do remember hating the Bouncing Beatnik at the time... until the recent story with him, where he became a massively cool concept
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 22, 2018 23:42:50 GMT -5
Busiek announced earlier today the current ongoing series is ending with #52. That is a bummer.. probably means he's taking more Big 2 work, and this will be a 'when I have time' sorta thing. OGN can be whenever.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 23:45:39 GMT -5
Busiek announced earlier today the current ongoing series is ending with #52. That is a bummer.. probably means he's taking more Big 2 work, and this will be a 'when I have time' sorta thing. OGN can be whenever. He has said repeatedly said he has little or no desire to do work for hire anymore outside of special projects like the recent Batman mini he did (but that wa sone that he had planned years ago and it got sidetracked. He has other creator-owned projects (like Autumnlands) and has said he has others in the pipeline, so I would guess his schedule would be open for more creator-owned stuff than work-for-hire. But I still think it is to open up Brent Anderson's schedule and because it sells better in trade than in singles. -M
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 23, 2018 0:12:19 GMT -5
Yeah, that's true, but maybe he got a good offer, or maybe he needs money. It'd be great if it was more creator owned stuff.. I hope that's the case!
I'm surprised it sells better in trades.. the combo of not having long story arcs and it being some targeted to the direct market crowd, I'd think it would be the opposite.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 23, 2018 0:29:11 GMT -5
I would say it probably works better as a series of OGNs, vs monthlies, as Busiek tends to work in themes and it lets him expand and contract the size as necessary and gives them the time to work on it. I do think the collected volumes have always sold better, proportionally, than the monthlies.
You also have to remember that this thing has stopped and restarted more than once, with the vagaries of publishing; so, it has a precedent.
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Post by rberman on Jan 23, 2018 6:52:06 GMT -5
Volume 1, Issue 3: A Little Knowledge (October 1995)
Theme: Villainy trips on itself. (Or, the hapless life of a comics creator.) Focus Hero: Jack-in-the-Box is a Spiderman-ish acrobatic hero who throws sticky confetti or puts electrified foam noses on villains to immobilize them. He wears a red/green harlequin suit with accordion feet that give him a distinctive, elongated silhouette throughout the series. Also, a white Bozo mask with no visible nose. Tough to breathe! His secret identity is Zachary Johnson, inventor and toymaking entrepreneur. His wife Tamara Dixon is a morning TV personality. Both are black, but their names suggest integration into white society. He spends this issue busting up an arms smuggling ring. However, the POV character in this issue is… Focus Villain: “Eyes” Eisenstein is a petty crook who provides labor for mobsters. While fleeing a crime scene, he accidentally sees Jack-in-the-Box unmask himself, then later sees that same man on the street with his celebrity wife. Much of the text in this issue is Eyes’ internal monologue, and much of the action is in his imagination. A little research and a little moxy, and he’s figured out Jack’s secret identity. But he goes nuts trying to think of a way to safely enrich himself with this knowledge. Everyone he knows is a criminal who would torture or kill him to learn what he knows, without paying him. And he’s stressed that Jack may be onto him as well… Other Villains: The Deacon is a mob boss whose sprout of hair looks like an inversed tonsure. Boilermaker is mentioned. Is Middleman a super-villain codename, or just the description of a stolen goods fence? Either way, it was also the title of a fun little sci-fi TV show that aired for a single season. The stolen weapons were confiscated by Samaritan from the Pyramid gang before getting hijacked. Other Heroes: The Confessor and Winged Victory are mentioned. Quarrel zips through without being named. Places: Astro City neighborhood Chesler, also known as The Sweatshop, seems like a Hell’s Kitchen homage, a rough place full of ne’er-do-wells. Ingels Street has gentrified; Elder’s Gym is no longer operating there. Zachary and Tamara live in a brownstone on Craig Avenue.Civilians: Goodman-Donenfeld is an unattractive company to work for, surely a dig at original Marvel Comics publisher Martin Goodman and Silver Age DC executive Irwin Donenfeld. Jimmy and Gleason are petty criminals. My Two Cents: One story from the perspective of the hero (usual for comics), then one from a bystander, and now one from a villain. Eisenstein gives a fake name of “Jack Bachsinger” to Tamara, but we don’t learn whether Jack is his real first name, or he just couldn’t stop thinking about Jack-in-the-Box. If so, then the hero and villain have the same name, but the story doesn’t encourage us to consider parallels between them. We get little insight into Jack-in-the-Box’s thoughts, and indeed he seems completely oblivious to Eisenstein’s existence, let alone the danger that he could pose. We do get the hint that JITB has taken up the mantle from a previous adventurer; Eisenstein remembers seeing JITB when he himself was a kid, and he’s taken aback by how young the unmasked JITB is. Overall, the story is a cautionary tale about the dangers of forbidden knowledge, another conservative moral. We also see that some communities are toxic, lacking enough of what scholars call "social capital" (more informally, mutual trust) to allow their members to leverage resources effectively. This issue is also something of a satire on the low-man position of comic book artists and writers. They are stuck working in Chesler's Sweatshop because Marvel and DC don't pay well. They know the secrets of the heroes but can't seem to leverage it for financial security, because both their bosses and their colleagues are out to exploit them. "I would do it to them if I could," confesses Eisenstein at one point. Sometimes all you can do is give up and take the bus to Alaska.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 23, 2018 8:01:58 GMT -5
I love that Busiek went with having a DC-like Legacy character... IIRC, there's another Jack later, too.. thats one of my favorite parts of DC lore.
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Post by rberman on Jan 23, 2018 8:39:36 GMT -5
I love that Busiek went with having a DC-like Legacy character... IIRC, there's another Jack later, too.. thats one of my favorite parts of DC lore. Yes, so far I've seen reference to two Cleopatras, two Quarrels, two Jacks, and two suits for N-Forcer. I also added a bit at the end of my article about Eistenstein being a stand-in for frustrated comics creators. It's obvious in retrospect but didn't hit me at the time.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 23, 2018 10:18:51 GMT -5
Harry Chesler's operation was a real sweatshop, possibly second only to Victor Fox's company. It paid really low rates and artists got out as quickly as they could. Again, Busiek picks his homages well. Big EC theme going there, with Ingels, Craig, Elder, etc...
I believe Middleman is intended to be, not so much a super-villain; but, a definite person who brokers things for serious criminals. Kind of a comic book sheen to the old mob nickname, like Tony "The Ant" Spilotro (mobster who inspired Ray Luca, in the Crime Story tv series and Joe Pesci's character in Casino).
The Deacon and Pyramid are built slowly in Busiek's world, with little nods and cameos for a while, before they take center stage as part of The Dark Age (same as EAGLE, Busiek's SHIELD). Busiek seeded his stories well with future possibilities.
I also enjoy the fact that Busiek makes Stiltman's schtick actual work, with Jack-in-the-Box. The villain was always a big joke, in the Marvel universe; but, Busiek shows the potential of a character, if you treat it seriously. Add to it, the fact that Busiek makes him an African-American character, without feeling like he needed to use an ethnic or stereotype hook. He puts similar thought into the later street heroes he introduces, like Street Angel (again, paid off in The Dark Age, a real magnum opus for this series).
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Post by Rob Allen on Jan 23, 2018 12:35:58 GMT -5
Civilians: Goodman-Donenfeld is an unattractive company to work for, surely a dig at original Marvel Comics publisher Martin Goodman and Silver Age DC executive Irwin Donenfeld. Irwin was the second generation; his father Harry Donenfeld was the owner of DC, after he took it away from founder Malcolm Wheeler-Nicholson.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 23, 2018 12:54:44 GMT -5
I also enjoy the fact that Busiek makes Stiltman's schtick actual work, with Jack-in-the-Box. The villain was always a big joke, in the Marvel universe; but, Busiek shows the potential of a character, if you treat it seriously. You hush your mouth! Anyone with any sense knows that Stilt-Man was an awesome villain.
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Post by rberman on Jan 23, 2018 13:07:47 GMT -5
Civilians: Goodman-Donenfeld is an unattractive company to work for, surely a dig at original Marvel Comics publisher Martin Goodman and Silver Age DC executive Irwin Donenfeld. Irwin was the second generation; his father Harry Donenfeld was the owner of DC, after he took it away from founder Malcolm Wheeler-Nicholson. Even the behind-the-scenes has its second generation heroes and villains! Did he keep the same costume as his dad?
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