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Post by Crimebuster on Feb 7, 2018 9:20:15 GMT -5
The "mayor is actually an alien inciting people against the heroes" thing seemed to me like an intentional nod towards H. Warren Craddock from the Kree-Skrull War in Avengers. He was a McCarthy-esque politician inciting the people against an alien menace, but it turned out he himself was actually a Skrull agent fomenting fear and xenophobia in humanity to undermine American values.
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Post by rberman on Feb 8, 2018 6:50:39 GMT -5
Volume 2, Issue #12: Father’s Day (December 1997)
Theme: Quit while you’re ahead Focus Hero: “My father was the original Jack-in-the-Box,” says the first caption box. One mystery solved! He took up a super-identity while rescuing his own father from gangsters. After dad died, son Zachary found his gadgets and took up the mantle, a la Harry Osborne. And now his own sons seem primed to do the same thing after he died in the future, but in a warped way. Another future son, Jerome, shows up with sad exposition, explaining that the other two (who vanished from police custody) are from two different alternate time streams than his own. So it’s not clear after all what Jack’s unborn son will grow up to be. Civilians: Roscoe James reports that crimelord Deacon has been recruiting members of the Trouble Boys. Zachary sees Roscoe as the answer to the dilemma of how to keep JITB active while not risking an early death himself. Zachary steps into the mentor role and hands his suit over to Roscoe, coaching him by radio through another battle with Brass Monkey. Zach and his wife Tamra seem pleased with this solution. Villains: Underlord is a crime boss. Places: Finger Street has a police station. OK, that one is a soft pitch. Is it near Kane Lane? My Two Cents: I appreciate how the text box for Zach is green, while the two Jacksons have yellow and red, which are the three colors of his costume. Many of these Astro City yarns have revolved around family. This one makes a fascinating counterpoint to the previous Confessor/Altar Boy arc. In that story, the vampire Confessor died, and his protégé takes on his costume to honor his name. In this story, Zachary sees three unsatisfactory scenarios that will unfold after his heroic death, so he recruits a replacement JITB so that he can retire alive. Is he being heroic (saving his son from any one of three bad fates, while still providing for crime-fighting), or is he being selfish (putting poorly trained Roscoe into harm’s way)? Is he trying to have his cake and eat it too by mentoring a green replacement rather than simply retiring while he’s ahead? Is his identity so wrapped up in heroics that he can’t imagine the city getting on without him? The graveyards of the world, it is said, are full of “indispensable men.”
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 8, 2018 14:32:05 GMT -5
My take on it is that Zachary is a combat veteran. Many veterans, especially those who saw combat, want their children to have a better world, where they never have to do the things they did and see the things they saw. Most parents want a better world for their children. At the same time, when they see someone want to take up that same role, they want to ensure they do it the right way and stay alive, while also helping their comrades stay alive. Zachary recognizes that Roscoe wants to do this, no matter what. It is better to teach him how to do it and guide him, much as a military instructor and non-com would. Meanwhile, he can be there for his family. I don't call that "quitting while you're ahead;" I call it living up to your responsibilities, the best way you know how.
At the same time, this issue is making commentary on the then-current state of superhero comics, with violent "heroes" and the lack of moral codes. The nightmare images are straight from the Image playbook, which was all the rage. Much as in Kingdom Come, that design aesthetic and character profile are turned on their head (by better artists) and shown to be abhorrent, in a less hyperactive world. There, you see how monstrous most Image characters (and the even worse knock-offs) were.
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Post by rberman on Feb 8, 2018 15:05:03 GMT -5
My take on it is that Zachary is a combat veteran. Many veterans, especially those who saw combat, want their children to have a better world, where they never have to do the things they did and see the things they saw. Most parents want a better world for their children. At the same time, when they see someone want to take up that same role, they want to ensure they do it the right way and stay alive, while also helping their comrades stay alive. Zachary recognizes that Roscoe wants to do this, no matter what. It is better to teach him how to do it and guide him, much as a military instructor and non-com would. Meanwhile, he can be there for his family. I don't call that "quitting while you're ahead;" I call it living up to your responsibilities, the best way you know how. Which raises the question of whether Jack-in-the-Box has a responsibility. He inherited the job from his father, and it's natural to think of a successor. But some heroes are more super than others, and "What would the world do without Samaritan?" is a much more vital question than "What would the world do without Jack-in-the-Box?" Especially when the new hero behind the mask is demonstrably less competent than the old one. There's a similar dynamic at work with Altar Boy becoming a non-vampire-powered Confessor. It won't take the criminals of Astro City long to realize that the new guy can't turn to mist etc. But at least it's Kinney's initiative that brings that situation about, whereas Zachary recruiting his own JITB replacement strikes me as having some element of ego. Not just "Be a hero" but "Be my Mini-Me." Parents are infamous for trying that, and it rarely works out well when you don't let kids be their own people. (I've just started reading Millar's "Jupiter's Legacy" series which deals with that very topic.) So this could be an interesting set-up for conflict between Zach and Roscoe. I hope so. Yes, that meta bit makes sense.
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 8, 2018 17:58:51 GMT -5
My take on it is that Zachary is a combat veteran. Many veterans, especially those who saw combat, want their children to have a better world, where they never have to do the things they did and see the things they saw. Most parents want a better world for their children. At the same time, when they see someone want to take up that same role, they want to ensure they do it the right way and stay alive, while also helping their comrades stay alive. Zachary recognizes that Roscoe wants to do this, no matter what. It is better to teach him how to do it and guide him, much as a military instructor and non-com would. Meanwhile, he can be there for his family. I don't call that "quitting while you're ahead;" I call it living up to your responsibilities, the best way you know how. Which raises the question of whether Jack-in-the-Box has a responsibility. He inherited the job from his father, and it's natural to think of a successor. But some heroes are more super than others, and "What would the world do without Samaritan?" is a much more vital question than "What would the world do without Jack-in-the-Box?" Especially when the new hero behind the mask is demonstrably less competent than the old one. There's a similar dynamic at work with Altar Boy becoming a non-vampire-powered Confessor. It won't take the criminals of Astro City long to realize that the new guy can't turn to mist etc. But at least it's Kinney's initiative that brings that situation about, whereas Zachary recruiting his own JITB replacement strikes me as having some element of ego. Not just "Be a hero" but "Be my Mini-Me." Parents are infamous for trying that, and it rarely works out well when you don't let kids be their own people. (I've just started reading Millar's "Jupiter's Legacy" series which deals with that very topic.) So this could be an interesting set-up for conflict between Zach and Roscoe. I hope so. Yes, that meta bit makes sense. By taking up the role of his father, in the first place, Zachary took the responsibility for making his corner of the world a better place; at least, in his eyes. Meanwhile, he is aging, growing slower, and has much more to lose. Roscoe is younger and fitter and quicker, without the gimmicks. By giving him the guidance that Zachary didn't have, he can potentially make him even more effective; thus, have an even greater positive impact on the world. At the same time, the Trouble Boys are a group built up within the neighborhood, inspired by Jack-in-the-Box. Zachary feels a responsibility to mentor them, as a result of their hero worship and their status as part of hs neighborhood. They are the ones who chose him, not vice-versa; so, Roscoe taking up the role is more about helping Roscoe fulfill his dream than Zachary choosing his replacement, while still carrying on his self-imposed responsibilities. If you want to get to the core, every hero is about shining the spotlight on themselves; hence, the costume. Otherwise, they would try to improve things by running for office, organizing neighborhood watches, joining law enforcement or emergency response, or some other public service outlet. What would the world do without a Samaritan? Probably exactly what it did before he came along. Perhaps his arrival was a catalyst that altered the world into a more dangerous state that requires greater power to respond, rather than his coming being a result of a need. That's certainly the conundrum within Batman. Did his war on crime, via psychological and physical methods then inspire the very criminals he faces or were they symptomatic of the same corruption that created him as a response?
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Post by Crimebuster on Feb 8, 2018 20:02:58 GMT -5
The name Roscoe for the wannabe replacement superhero seems like a call out to Roscoe, the replacement Captain America who was being mentored by the falcon when the red skull killed him.
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Post by rberman on Feb 9, 2018 6:48:50 GMT -5
Volume 2, Issue #13: In the Spotlight (February 1998)
Theme: True Hollywood Story Disclaimer: This one is really difficult to summarize concisely, because the whole issue is itself a densely compacted narration of the life of its main character. Focus Funny Animal: Loony Leo, a retired cartoon lion, gets an offer to do some Toyota ads. He tells the talent agent his life story. In 1946, villain Professor Bolzoi, a Silvana stand-in and thus a foe of The Gentleman, brought Leo to life from cartoonland accidentally. After Leo wins his ownership from the movie studio and appears in a series of successful films, his box office appeal fades. He’s caught in a scandal when his favorite underage hooker Corliss McBride, a.k.a. Trixie, overdoses on heroin in his room at a sleazy hotel. He loses his job on a TV kids’ show. After years homeless, the villain Zzardo recruits him to play the role of the villainous Myth-Master, who summons fictional characters to fight and nearly destroy the whole Honor Guard. Leo can’t finish the deed and is captured and put on trial. The studio bribes his way out of it and helps him get back on his feet in Astro City, where he runs a restaurant that trades on his reputation from the cartoons now endlessly syndicated on television. He reluctantly agrees to appear in the Toyota ads. Civilians: Joss Ryerson is a talent agent with Paul Arthur Advertising. Happy Jack is a brand of junk food beverages; the mascot looks like Alfred E. Neuman from Mad Magazine. Lioness Lola was a character in Leo’s old cartoon shorts. Omniversal Pictures is a funny play on Universal Pictures, in a universe that sees itself as just one of many simultaneous universes. Other Heroes: Air Ace was the subject of a cinema serial in the 1940s. Honor Guard at some point (the late 50s?) consisted of Silver Agent, Mermaid, El Hombre, Cleopatra, Mirage, Hummingbird, and N-Forcer. Starfighter had a sidekick named Quark, real name Charlie Provost.
Places: Romeyn Falls was apparently the original name of Astro City. Lettuce be glad the name was changed because… never mind. Moonglow is the hotel/ bar/ bordello where Trixie overdoses. Real World Flourishes: A poster for Rita Hayworth and Glenn Ford in “ Gilda” is seen at the 40s cinema, as is a poster for southern American soft drink Royal Crown Cola (often abbreviated to RC Cola by the 1970s). Francis the Talking Mule really did have a series of films in the 1950s. One of Leo’s films opens at Grauman’s Chinese Theater. Bogart and Danny Kaye are mentioned as well. Leo’s piano player may not be named Wilson Dooley from Casablanca, but he looks the part, as does Leo in his white tuxedo and dangling cigarette. Is this the first time we’ve seen a character smoking? Fictional Films: Leo was in a cartoon short called “ Zoot Soup,” recalling the Marx Brothers’ “Duck Soup” as well as the zoot suit clothing style. Dr. Bolzoi’s intended target for his bringing-film-to-life gadget is “ The Monster from the Dark Continent,” an ape who steps off the movie screen to terrorize the citizenry and battle The Gentleman. Buziek deftly sidesteps the racist undertones coded in the King Kong narrative (“We brought an uncivilized black monkey from Africa to New York, and now he’s endangering our beautiful blondes!”) by dressing the film ape as a Roman centurion, of all things. My Two Cents: Most of this issue is a pastiche of actual events in the lives of so many washed up actors that we know all the beats before they arrive. All that’s missing from the usual narrative is the personal descent into substance abuse, here instead deflected onto the fourteen year old hooker. The story wouldn’t resonate if filled with names evoking some fictional Hollywood full of fictional movie stars, so instead we get an issue crammed with proper names from our world, as enumerated above. We’ve seen places from our world in the world of Astro City, but not individual people, so far as I can recall, unless you count Bible characters. The Astro City element of Leo’s story has two main elements. One is the power of suspension of disbelief, as The Gentleman urges a crowd to literally will Leo into continued existence after Bolzoi’s device is destroyed. This symbolizes the power of imagination which cinema (and other fiction) can so vividly invoke. The film antecedent of this bit is Woody Allen’s “The Purple Rose of Cairo,” in which a film character exits the screen into the theater, and romantic hijinks ensue. It’s a love letter to theater, just as this issue is a love letter to Looney Tunes for all the kids who thought it would be keen if Road Runner buzzed off their screen and around their living room as easily as he enters a tunnel painted on a butte side by Wile E. Coyote. The second fantastical element of Leo’s story deals with the litigation over his status as a creation of the studio. This of course has been a sore spot for comic book creators for decades, with hundreds of millions of dollars on the line and much disgruntlement on all sides.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 9, 2018 7:31:25 GMT -5
I remember really enjoying both the Jack in the Box story (which was a nice play on the usual legacy hero thing) and Leo (who really needs to be back some time).. Leo was also a nice change of tone after the seriousness of the Confessor Arc.
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 9, 2018 13:53:30 GMT -5
Leo was a bit of fun, as Busiel played around in the world of Captain marvel, with his Tawky Tawny substitute. I also liked how they infused a bit of Bogart into his design, on the cover.
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Post by rberman on Feb 10, 2018 8:49:52 GMT -5
Volume 2, Issue #1/2: The Nearness of You (January 1999)
Theme: The fire of a former flame Focus Civilian: Michael Tenicek can’t stop thinking about Miranda (whose name in Latin means “wondering”), the literal girl of his dreams. Thoughts of her distract him at the bus stop, at his job, on dates with other women. The Hanged Man shows up with some Spectre-like dialogue and sends Michael on a flashback to 1943… Focus Villain: Golden Age heroes All-American and Slugger defeat referee-themed villain Time Keeper. Annoyed by the constant emergence of heroes including Lamplighter and The Astronaut, Time Keeper visits Eterneon and messes with the course of history. Time-travelling hero Samaritan is among the casualties, winking out of existence right in front of Winged Victory. We see brief hints of the heroes’ reconstruction of the time stream, but Tenicek’s wife Miranda did not survive the repair of continuity in this Crisis on Finite Earth. Michael is able to come to peace about his dreams by learning of these events. Other Civilians: Michael calls old classmates Chet and Bob trying in vain to identify Miranda. Presumably a different Chet than Altar Boy's friend. Other Heroes: We see Jack-in-the-Box, hale and hearty, busting up some Vulture-type villains. Honor Guard rout the Conquerlord at the United Nations, which once again seems to be in Astro City rather than New York City. Places: There’s an Astrobank branch on Novick Avenue. Miscellanea: This issue has the first title obviously drawn from pop culture, in this case the 1938 song by Hoagy Carmichael and Ned Washington. It was published between issues 14 (Dec 1998) and 15 (March 1999), but I’m putting it here because issue 14 begins a multi-part story, whereas this little tale stands alone. My Two Cents: We've all had dreams featuring people who don't exist, but they're not usually as socially debilitating for us as they are for Tenicek. This story trades on the frequent continuity-rewriting mega-stories like DC’s never-ending series of Crisis reboots or Marvel’s Age of Apocalypse or House of M, exploring a simple scenario that seems quite likely in such a world. All in all a good self-contained yarn.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 10, 2018 9:52:50 GMT -5
"The Nearness of You" is just a masterpiece, plain and simple. Brilliantly written, brilliantly drawn, and oh-so full of drama and poignancy...it's quite possibly the best issue of the whole run. It's also a contender for best single issue of the '90s, IMO. And Busiek did it all in just half the length of a regular comic book. Wonderful stuff!
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 10, 2018 10:02:25 GMT -5
"The Nearness of You" is a story that stays with you for a long time. It is as Confessor says, a masterpiece. It always pops up in "Books that made you cry" threads.
Has everybody seen the return on Mike Tenicek in the latest issue of AS?
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 10, 2018 13:10:10 GMT -5
This was also the only Wizard 1/2 that was worth the paper it was printed on, if you ask me. Most of those were pointless gimmicks, aimed at the speculators destroying the industry. This one actually had a story to tell.
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Post by rberman on Feb 10, 2018 13:56:47 GMT -5
This was also the only Wizard 1/2 that was worth the paper it was printed on, if you ask me. Most of those were pointless gimmicks, aimed at the speculators destroying the industry. This one actually had a story to tell. I was wondering where it was originally published. Packaged with Wizard Magazine?
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Post by Confessor on Feb 10, 2018 22:25:52 GMT -5
This was also the only Wizard 1/2 that was worth the paper it was printed on, if you ask me. Most of those were pointless gimmicks, aimed at the speculators destroying the industry. This one actually had a story to tell. Astro City 1/2 was fantastic, but I remember enjoying the X-Wing: Rogue Squadron 1/2 issue too. I don't think I remember seeing any others that I had any interest in reading.
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