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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Feb 9, 2018 20:17:29 GMT -5
Vocabulary yes. I hadn't heard of amalgam before the D.C./Marvel Amalgam comic line. And a lot of other words.
Values. Probably not. I think most of my value changes came about in my 30's from other influences.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 9, 2018 20:28:00 GMT -5
Comics by no means had the effect that To Kill a Mockingbird, Fahrenheit 451 and Behold the Man had. Atticus Finch had probably the most profound influence on who I am and what I stand for than anyone else, real or fictional. That's also why I refuse to read Go Set A Watchman. #notmyatticus Atticus Finch and Clarence Darrow are the reasons I do what I do.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Feb 9, 2018 20:39:11 GMT -5
I was born '89 but have almost exclusively read comics from 1960-1990 only. I cannot tell you how many times I see words used in older comics that are rarely used today...and I love it!
For example, just last week the Conan issues I was reading used the words pulchritude and slake. I was able to determine their meaning from the images, and thus improved my vocabulary! I can only imagine how they could have helped young students who read them when they initially came out. I would definitely say they helped with vocabulary and they should be celebrated much more in elementary reading and beyond into high school.
As for values, I attribute that more to my parents. I love Spidey but I always regarded him as fictional so when it came to applying values, I tended to go based on my parents and family and what they taught me more so than a comic book.
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 10, 2018 1:08:02 GMT -5
Do you think reading comic books increased your vocabulary?
For me yes. Just reading anything in general increases your vocabulary. But when I was a kid reading a novel & there was a word I didn't know I didn't stop to look it up. I figured out the general meaning by the context in that sentence or paragraph.
Comics? I would write words down & look them up later in the dictionary. That was one of the reasons my Mom was OK with comic books. That & back then they encouraged good behavior.
Which brings me to my second question. Did comics influence some of your values growing up? Of course my parents were my guiding influence in shaping my values. But comics reinforced some of my beliefs.
Things like the bad guys need to face justice. Don't be afraid to stand up for what you believe is right. Wearing your underwear on the outside of your clothes is normal. Vocabulary? Oh, tremendously so. I was introduced to so many words and concepts in comics that it had a profound effect. Plus, I always liked the brainy characters, who tended to have rather distinctive and academic speech patterns. At the same time, it also influenced my use of words like "criminey" and "ever-lovin". At the same time, my father was a teacher (and my mother had been one) and we had a lot of reading material around the house, as well as weekly visits to the bookmobile (we didn't have our own library in the little town, where I grew up). We also had a set of World Book Encyclopedias and the companion Childcraft Library. I come from a family of 5, with one bathroom; so, if you wanted to get in the shower at a reasonable time, you had to get there early. As a result, I was dressed and ate breakfast before everyone else. I used to kill time, before going to school, by flipping through the encyclopedia volumes, looking for interesting articles. So, it all wove together. I can say, I was the only one in my high school class, when we were doing ACT prep vocabulary tests, who knew what "vulpine" meant, thanks to the X-Men story in the Marvel Super-Heroes prose short-story collection (with and Avengers story, a Hulk and a Daredevil one, as well), which used the word to describe Wolverine's mask. I went and looked it up, as a result. Values? To a certain extent, though by reinforcing those being taught to me. It certainly did in terms of values beyond my world experience. The 70s DC comics were filled with PSAs about racial tolerance, as were the comics, which went beyond my experience in an all-white rural school. That was further reinforced by the socially relevant tv shows of the 70s, like Room 222, the Norman Lear shows, Happy Days, etc... I think it is more that I grew up in the early 70s, when you got similar messages from several avenues, in the post-Civil Rights era. At the same time, much of my ideas of justice and fairness were definitely shaped by Superman and Batman stories, as well as other comics.
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Post by berkley on Feb 10, 2018 1:08:41 GMT -5
There's no doubt that comics had a big influence on me in all kinds of ways, but it's hard to separate it out from all the other cultural influences that were at work during those formative years (however strictly you want to define that period of our lives).
Regarding vocabulary, I can specifically remember becoming acquainted with the word "materials" for the first time in a Superman comic and more or less getting the meaning from the context but having no idea how to pronounce it (I recall hearing something like matterls or matterals, accent on the first syllable, in my head). But I'd have to think back in more detail to really separate comics from reading in general - books, etc.
Values, yeah, no question, but again, hard to tell without really going back in detail what I got from comics as opposed to other cultural influences - especially tv and music - let alone what came from parents, siblings, peer groups, school, and just the world in general.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Feb 10, 2018 5:55:47 GMT -5
Vocabulary definitely. I grew up in a non-English-speaking household, and initially had real reading comprehension problems in school. When I started to actually thoroughly read the comics I had, instead of just looking at the pictures and skimming over the text, my reading skills shot through the roof and I went from being one of the worst readers, and spellers, in my class to the best. And I learned tons of new words. Also, comics led me to becoming a voracious reader of 'normal' books as well.
Values - yes, they definitely played a role here, too, mixed in with what I was getting from my parents and the nuns at school (some of the lessons picked up from the latter were eventually discarded by the time I got to my teens, of course). Similar to codystarbuck, I grew up in a rather rural, conservative and mostly white area, so any comics that dealt with racial issues and tolerance in general were real eye-openers. Specifically, I recall that when I read McGregor's (often unfairly maligned) Black Panther v. the Klan story in Jungle Action, the issue of terrorism against minorities really hit me; the same can be said of the times the Holocaust came up in various comics, esp. the X-men. More than any of the bland ways these topics were discussed in school textbooks, it made me want to learn more, and check books on those topics out of the library.
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Post by rberman on Feb 10, 2018 11:27:18 GMT -5
I remember looking up in the dictionary some words from Chris Claremont's X-Men/Micronauts mini-series which were used to describe Xavier's attitude toward Kitty Pryde. The words were "lecherous" and "lascivious" and "salacious."
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Post by String on Feb 10, 2018 12:27:49 GMT -5
Although many people on this forum bash Superman for being the ultimate boy scout, I learned that you do what's right because of him. Superman is great. Quoted for the absolute truth. Yeah, I would say comics helped with my vocabulary. My mother always encouraged my reading (as weekly trips to the local library would testify to) so she never saw comics as any of kind of detriment on my development. I think it also helped with spelling too. I learned fast to ask for a sentence in school spelling quizzes/contests. For you never know if they are meaning 'there' or 'their'. As for values, I'm sure they did to some degree but as others have said, it's hard to discern which from other pop cultural influences such as TV and movies. Superman, Spider-Man, etc have about as much influence as James T. Kirk and Yoda in that regard.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Feb 10, 2018 14:35:22 GMT -5
There's no doubt that comics had a big influence on me in all kinds of ways, but it's hard to separate it out from all the other cultural influences that were at work during those formative years (however strictly you want to define that period of our lives). Regarding vocabulary, I can specifically remember becoming acquainted with the word "materials" for the first time in a Superman comic and more or less getting the meaning from the context but having no idea how to pronounce it (I recall hearing something like matterls or matterals, accent on the first syllable, in my head). But I'd have to think back in more detail to really separate comics from reading in general - books, etc. Values, yeah, no question, but again, hard to tell without really going back in detail what I got from comics as opposed to other cultural influences - especially tv and music - let alone what came from parents, siblings, peer groups, school, and just the world in general. This kind of my reason for my less than detailed initial post. There's nothing I can specifically point to in comics that changed my values or look on like as oppose to Nietcheze, Bukowski, or Caroline King's Drinking: A Love Story. But that's not to say that comics haven't done so with me. They're just mixed together with all the other things that influenced me. Again my 30's were the most life changing and by that time I had over 10 years of reading comics behind me. Edit: The closet I can think of is my name sake. And that's more to do with Starlin's original Warlock story and the Universal Church and understanding the controlling power that religion can have. It wasn't changing my values, but Starlin was helping me come to grips with the fact the religion was trying to control me and my parents. So it was more of someone telling you something you realize on your own but when the observation comes from someone else, it's more impactful to you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 15:03:03 GMT -5
I remember looking up in the dictionary some words from Chris Claremont's X-Men/Micronauts mini-series which were used to describe Xavier's attitude toward Kitty Pryde. The words were "lecherous" and "lascivious" and "salacious." I had to do the same thing on the books that you've mentioned and that's brought memories as well. I totally forgot about until I read your post and that's the cool things about comics that really makes you wonder about the words that they used in their storylines and all. Thanks for sharing that and jarring my memories here and there.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 11, 2018 0:59:11 GMT -5
Comics definitely helped improve my vocabulary as a kid, absolutely. Superhero and sci-fi comics also must've influenced my morals to some degree, although the more subversive satire of MAD magazine had a much bigger impact on who I turned out to be as an adult than, say, Amazing Spider-Man.
That said, the medium or artform that has had by far the biggest effect of me, in terms of shaping me and, at times, changing the way I see the world is music. Especially music/lyrics by the likes of John Lennon, Bob Dylan, The Smiths, Michael Stipe, Paul Simon etc.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 14, 2018 18:30:59 GMT -5
Although many people on this forum bash Superman for being the ultimate boy scout, I learned that you do what's right because of him. Superman is great. Right, yeah. It's a moral fable about what it means to do the right thing? That is endlessly fascinating and (I'd wager) requires quite a bit more skills and self reflection to write than, say, Deadpool. This thread has certainly helped crystalize in my brain why I hate the grim 'n gritty '90s.
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 15, 2018 10:51:50 GMT -5
Although many people on this forum bash Superman for being the ultimate boy scout, I learned that you do what's right because of him. Superman is great. Right, yeah. It's a moral fable about what it means to do the right thing? That is endlessly fascinating and (I'd wager) requires quite a bit more skills and self reflection to write than, say, Deadpool. This thread has certainly helped crystalize in my brain why I hate the grim 'n gritty '90s. It's always difficult to think rather than simply lash out.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 15, 2018 12:09:02 GMT -5
As a french man, comics and table top role playing game rule books were my first exposure to the english language apart from the Beatles and Louis Amstrong... I would say that comics influenced my language mostly on the swearing side of things, especially because of 2000 AD and its childish analogues to curse words I still to this day surprise myself using. Reading comic books made me some kind of linguistic boy scout.
As for values, I had already been exposed enough to the likes of Sartre, Voltaire, Hugo, Rousseau and the bible to have a good enough idea of what was an honest man and a hypocrite (or worse), and most of the shdes of grey in between. I would say that a few comics may very well have influenced my morals and inhibitions though, namely the books from Crumb, Spiegleman and Sandman from Gaiman.
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Post by coke & comics on Feb 19, 2018 15:36:21 GMT -5
Yes and yes.
However, vocabulary came at a cost. I knew lots of words, but not how to pronounce them. I only learned how to pronounce them the hard way, when somebody laughed at me for saying ArmaJeddon.
I'm pretty sure my entire value-system is superhero-centric. If it could be summed up quickly, it would be by Steve Rogers from the Captain America film. "I don't like bullies."
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