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Post by sabongero on Feb 16, 2018 11:47:41 GMT -5
I love splash pages here and there. But I grow weary of a comic book whose panels are just poses that would look great on various posters. In the long run, I prefer illustrations that tell a good story.
Which illustrators are good storytellers. Can you guys give us the name and perhaps his or her work [title and issue number(s)] in reference. Thanks.
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Post by MDG on Feb 16, 2018 12:17:11 GMT -5
Welp, first I'd distinguish between illustrators--artists who create images to support written narrative--and comic artists who draw comics.
I'll try to link to specific examples this weekend, but my opinion of the best storytellers in comics include:
Alex Toth Will Eisner Harvey Kurtzman Jack Kirby Steve Ditko Johnny Craig Spain Rodriguez Carmine Infantino Jaimie Hernandez
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Post by mikelmidnight on Feb 16, 2018 12:46:00 GMT -5
I would add, at his peak (sadly it's a skill he appears to have lost): Dave Sim
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 16, 2018 12:53:45 GMT -5
Definitely Toth, the EC crowd, Eisner and Kurtzman, Los Bros, Ditko, Infantino, Kubert, Buscema, Steve Rude, Tim Truman, Howard Chaykin, Walt Simonson, Simon and Kirby, Barks, Warren Kremer, Don Newton, Doug Wildey, Pete Morisi, Gen Colan, John Romita.....
Storytelling is about the mechanics of advancing the plot and building the characters. The masters made the quiet moments as significant as the action. Kirby is noted for his action; but, if you look at a lot of his material, especially when he was really cooking, even the small moments draw you in.
Illustration is about capturing that key moment or scene. Guys like Raymond and Foster were illustrators of the old tradition, while Caniff and Crane were storytellers, first and foremost. Those were the guys who set the tone for the Golden Age. A lot of later artists added a design element, like Neal Adams and Howard Chaykin. That is also there in Winsor McCay's Little Nemo.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 13:16:42 GMT -5
Joe Kubert Walt Simonson
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Post by brutalis on Feb 16, 2018 14:27:09 GMT -5
The really good ones includes folks many here have voiced dislike over or consider them to be blah: Heck, Tuska, Robbins, Trimpe, Infantino, Brown, Sal Buscema, Mooney, Delbo, Dillin, Sekowsky, Springer, Boring, Swan, Andru, Kupperburg and other such contemporaries of their time. They knew how to tell and sell a story which is why they were considered the go to guys by the publishers. They may not be the most spectacular or stunning stylizing around but their art was always in service of the story line. You knew whenever you saw these guys drawing an issue you were guaranteed an entertaining and compelling read and you would never get lost trying to follow the story or action.
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Post by tarkintino on Feb 16, 2018 19:58:11 GMT -5
OP: Best storytelling illustrators were those who thought with both a camera's eye to capture moments great and/or subtle, and penciling as if they were writing the story as much as illustrating it, that is to say, applying narrative to the visuals to be more than reading a script and filling panels.
If I had to pick the short list of the best...
Neal Adams John Romita, Sr. Alex Toth Al Williamson Milton Caniff Alex Raymond Fernando Fernandez Joe Orlando Carmine Infantino Nick Cardy (his expressive work is SO underrated) Jim Aparo & Gene Colan
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 16, 2018 20:43:18 GMT -5
Well I have to give it to the Marvel Silver Age guys who really had to tell the story. The DC guys worked from more formal scripts.
So first and foremost, Kirby. But kudos to Ditko, Romita, Colan, both Buscemas (I loved Sal's smooth storytelling), Kane. And I would add Steranko, Smith and Adams into the mix.
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Post by MDG on Feb 16, 2018 22:10:55 GMT -5
Two more: Marshall Rogers and Keith Giffen.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 17, 2018 1:26:06 GMT -5
Well I have to give it to the Marvel Silver Age guys who really had to tell the story. The DC guys worked from more formal scripts. So first and foremost, Kirby. But kudos to Ditko, Romita, Colan, both Buscemas (I loved Sal's smooth storytelling), Kane. And I would add Steranko, Smith and Adams into the mix. The DC artists still did the majority of the storytelling - they chose the size of the panels, importance of the story beats, they picked the camera angels, created the mood, defined character through body language.... Basically they did everything that a movie director and cinematographers (combined!) did, plus a lot of the acting. They just did a little less than the Marvel guys. But the story is always less important than the telling. I'd call Steranko and Adams creative designers rather than good storytellers. Adams especially made drawing choices that look cool but don't seem to benefit the story at all. Or, to put it another way, he invented modern-style superhero storytelling! I don't think anyone has ever topped John Stanley in terms of smooth and effective storytelling.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Feb 17, 2018 8:51:32 GMT -5
I'd call Steranko and Adams creative designers rather than good storytellers. Adams especially made drawing choices that look cool but don't seem to benefit the story at all. Or, to put it another way, he invented modern-style superhero storytelling! Couldn't agree more. I love both Steranko and Adams, but they ushered in a lot of bad habits along with their innovations. It still amazes me how little most younger readers seem to care about solid sequential storytelling in comics. Many seem happy with page after page of splash pages and posters.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Feb 17, 2018 8:54:08 GMT -5
I'd also put John Byrne and Jim Aparo high on my list of great storytellers. I believe Byrne's stuff was used at the Kubert school as an example of great stroytelling.
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 17, 2018 9:13:07 GMT -5
I didn't mean to criticize the DC artists in my post. Though I personally preferred the more dynamic storytelling that came from Marvel than DC, which was a little staid for my young taste. (talking Silver Age here, by the 70s things changed at DC) And in retrospect I probably agree about Steranko and Adams strength in design. And I so agree about the "splash page" mentality taking over good storytelling.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 10:09:30 GMT -5
IMO a good storyteller is an artist that you can understand the story without any captions or dialog. I remember when I did my reviews on Kubert's Tarzan I commented on this every issue. His art could tell the story without any other descriptions.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 17, 2018 17:01:32 GMT -5
Well I have to give it to the Marvel Silver Age guys who really had to tell the story. The DC guys worked from more formal scripts. So first and foremost, Kirby. But kudos to Ditko, Romita, Colan, both Buscemas (I loved Sal's smooth storytelling), Kane. And I would add Steranko, Smith and Adams into the mix. I'd call Steranko and Adams creative designers rather than good storytellers. Adams especially made drawing choices that look cool but don't seem to benefit the story at all. Or, to put it another way, he invented modern-style superhero storytelling! I don't think anyone has ever topped John Stanley in terms of smooth and effective storytelling. I agree with this completely. Adams, in particular, can lose me in his storytelling now and then and I've been reading comics a long time. Stanley was an amazing storyteller. As was Barks.
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