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Post by batusi on Feb 18, 2018 0:19:28 GMT -5
Did anyone mention Dick Sprang?
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 18, 2018 3:10:41 GMT -5
I always thought that the best storytellers were artists that didn't need any dialogue or words on the page and you could still tell what was happening. But I wonder if that's really what comics are about. Dave Gibbons did a nice job on Watchmen but the words made the pages different and better. I also heard that Kirby used to draw pages and Stan would have dialogue that wasn't what Kirby intended and yet it was great.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Feb 18, 2018 3:22:31 GMT -5
I basically agree with what you're saying, but your comment reminded me of an opposite case: to wit, the best Mr. A story Ditko ever did was the one without any dialogue or captions.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 18, 2018 3:38:06 GMT -5
I think back on Whatever happened to the Man of Tomorrow ? and the combination of Swans great images with Moores spot on dialogue makes it a classic tale. A lesser artist or writer would ruin the story.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 18, 2018 4:49:41 GMT -5
I can poo-poo other people's answers, but this is a difficult thread for me to answer. A lot of the time I only notice panel to panel storytelling if it's Kurtzman/Toth-like genius creatively or Neal Adams/Gene Colan bad* or Kirby's late-70s extreme close-ups of eyes idiosyncratic.
I'll second Curt Swan. He kept the weirdness/misanthropy/misogony of the Silver Age Superman grounded and humanized, and by the late '60s he was making some stunning choices.
Ah, heck, throw Ross Andru in here as well. Always smooth storytelling while placing his characters in physical spaces that had depth and weight. (Although, as I keep insisting, he was even *better* as a humor cartoonist.)
* Two completely different types of bad, of course. Colan is probably my favorite silver/bronze age Marvel artist, regardless.
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 18, 2018 8:29:11 GMT -5
Colan is an interesting case. If we look at his early marvel work on Ironman in ToS, he was a fairly straightforward and good storyteller. When he drew Dr. Strange he basically re-invented the comic page. Moving away from the rectangular panel and sometimes no panels at all. Now this might have been a negative for pure storytelling, but what it added to the reading experience more than made up for it. I think Colan doesn't get the credit for his design innovations he deserves.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 18, 2018 8:56:59 GMT -5
There are artists that have had me guessing on which panel to look at next. I consider this a fail.
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 18, 2018 9:19:29 GMT -5
There are artists that have had me guessing on which panel to look at next. I consider this a fail. Name names.  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 18, 2018 9:51:34 GMT -5
Neal Adams has done the a few times and more recently, David Finch confused me a few times in his Avengers run, especially in the double page spreads.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 19, 2018 0:54:12 GMT -5
Colan is an interesting case. If we look at his early marvel work on Ironman in ToS, he was a fairly straightforward and good storyteller. When he drew Dr. Strange he basically re-invented the comic page. Moving away from the rectangular panel and sometimes no panels at all. Now this might have been a negative for pure storytelling, but what it added to the reading experience more than made up for it. I think Colan doesn't get the credit for his design innovations he deserves. Again, '60s and '70s Marvels are some of my favorite comics, and Colan is my favorite of that generation. So every complaint I have about Colan I can complain about every other artist in mainstream comics more. I never had a problem with his panel to panel storytelling, but his pacing could get wonky. He'd spend so much time coming up with hugely original ways for a guy to walk into a room in the first couple pages... and have only a few cramped pages at the end for the fight scenes/villain battles/meat of the story. He would get so into "solving" the problem at hand he would mess up the ending. (Although he got far better in the Tomb of Dracula days, IIRC.) I think that's a storytelling problem. Others could disagree, though. And, yeah, Colan's Doctor Strange is the peak of mainstream comic art, y'askme. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 19, 2018 11:13:50 GMT -5
Colan is an interesting case. If we look at his early marvel work on Ironman in ToS, he was a fairly straightforward and good storyteller. When he drew Dr. Strange he basically re-invented the comic page. Moving away from the rectangular panel and sometimes no panels at all. Now this might have been a negative for pure storytelling, but what it added to the reading experience more than made up for it. I think Colan doesn't get the credit for his design innovations he deserves. Again, '60s and '70s Marvels are some of my favorite comics, and Colan is my favorite of that generation. So every complaint I have about Colan I can complain about every other artist in mainstream comics more. I never had a problem with his panel to panel storytelling, but his pacing could get wonky. He'd spend so much time coming up with hugely original ways for a guy to walk into a room in the first couple pages... and have only a few cramped pages at the end for the fight scenes/villain battles/meat of the story. He would get so into "solving" the problem at hand he would mess up the ending. (Although he got far better in the Tomb of Dracula days, IIRC.) I think that's a storytelling problem. Others could disagree, though. And, yeah, Colan's Doctor Strange is the peak of mainstream comic art, y'askme. Colan talked about this in interviews. He said he'd get near the end of the story and only have two or three pages left and have to cram it all in. So yeah...he had pacing issues. |
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Post by MDG on Feb 21, 2018 15:35:43 GMT -5
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 21, 2018 22:04:27 GMT -5
The thread title includes present day. Who do you think is good?
I think Chris Samnee is an excellent storyteller.
I also think Sean Phiillips is very good. Of course he and Brubaker are a well oiled machine at this point.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 21, 2018 22:47:19 GMT -5
Amanda Conner!
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Post by Dizzy D on Feb 22, 2018 11:14:04 GMT -5
Matt Wagner is my go to.
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