shaxper
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Post by shaxper on Aug 12, 2018 22:10:59 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I hope this is the start of something great, but I am of the belief that creators who attempt to return to their creations years later aren't really the same person anymore and have no more right to make alterations to their creation than anyone else (less, in fact, as they are less prone to ask 'what would the original creator have thought of doing this?'). Just look at George Lucas with Star Wars, J. K. Rowling with The Cursed Child, Gene Roddenberry with the first season of Star Trek: Next Generation, Frank Miller with All-Star Batman, Berke Breathed with his current Bloom County revival, or even Neil Gaiman writing Sandman: Overture. Each lost the perspective that made their works great, and most replaced that invaluable perspective with a destructive arrogance.
Sandman was done. Gaiman had been intent on ending it definitively. Let it rest in peace.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 22:36:17 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I hope this is the start of something great, but I am of the belief that creators who attempt to return to their creations years later aren't really the same person anymore and have no more right to make alterations to their creation than anyone else (less, in fact, as they are less prone to ask 'what would the original creator have thought of doing this?'). Just look at George Lucas with Star Wars, J. K. Rowling with The Cursed Child, Gene Roddenberry with the first season of Star Trek: Next Generation, Frank Miller with All-Star Batman, Berke Breathed with his current Bloom County revival, or even Neil Gaiman writing Sandman: Overture. Each lost the perspective that made their works great, and most replaced that invaluable perspective with a destructive arrogance. Sandman was done. Gaiman had been intent on ending it definitively. Let it rest in peace. Gaiman has been doing soemthing Sandman every couple of years since the main series ended. Dream Hunters, Overture, etc. He never actually stopped doing Sandman stuff, it just wasn't a regular series anymore. He also curated the Dreaming series letting others play n his playground and curated Mike Carey's Lucifer (i.e. was a consultant on it as Carey developed the series and wrote the first several arcs), so this is not something he hasn't done before. DC's hype department is playing up the return and the newness of the curator role, but in truth, this is what they have been doing with the Sandman sandbox ever since the regular series ended (and even before in some cases). And since Sandman has always been a series that looked at the world through Gaiman's perspective, a perspective that grew and changed as he wrote the series and one that continues to grow and evolve, why shouldn't the Sandman universe continue to grow and evolve with him rather than be a snapshot of a particular point in time, since the prism of Gaiman the series reflected evolved continually over the 9 or so years it ran, evolved in every Sandman related project Neil was a part of since that time, and that evolving prism is pretty much the essence of every Sandman story he has written/contributed to or will write/contribute to. Stories evolve in the retelling and the best ones are timeless, they are not static snapshots of a moment in time. -M
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Post by shaxper on Aug 13, 2018 5:18:08 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I hope this is the start of something great, but I am of the belief that creators who attempt to return to their creations years later aren't really the same person anymore and have no more right to make alterations to their creation than anyone else (less, in fact, as they are less prone to ask 'what would the original creator have thought of doing this?'). Just look at George Lucas with Star Wars, J. K. Rowling with The Cursed Child, Gene Roddenberry with the first season of Star Trek: Next Generation, Frank Miller with All-Star Batman, Berke Breathed with his current Bloom County revival, or even Neil Gaiman writing Sandman: Overture. Each lost the perspective that made their works great, and most replaced that invaluable perspective with a destructive arrogance. Sandman was done. Gaiman had been intent on ending it definitively. Let it rest in peace. Gaiman has been doing soemthing Sandman every couple of years since the main series ended. Dream Hunters, Overture, etc. He never actually stopped doing Sandman stuff, it just wasn't a regular series anymore. He also curated the Dreaming series letting others play n his playground and curated Mike Carey's Lucifer (i.e. was a consultant on it as Carey developed the series and wrote the first several arcs), so this is not something he hasn't done before. DC's hype department is playing up the return and the newness of the curator role, but in truth, this is what they have been doing with the Sandman sandbox ever since the regular series ended (and even before in some cases). And since Sandman has always been a series that looked at the world through Gaiman's perspective, a perspective that grew and changed as he wrote the series and one that continues to grow and evolve, why shouldn't the Sandman universe continue to grow and evolve with him rather than be a snapshot of a particular point in time, since the prism of Gaiman the series reflected evolved continually over the 9 or so years it ran, evolved in every Sandman related project Neil was a part of since that time, and that evolving prism is pretty much the essence of every Sandman story he has written/contributed to or will write/contribute to. Stories evolve in the retelling and the best ones are timeless, they are not static snapshots of a moment in time. -M For well over a decade, each follow-up Sandman project Gaiman did skirted around the use of Morpheus and the main timeline in any significant way. The main series was concluded. So when he finally did return to this, he had been away a long time and inevitably lost part of the person/creator he had been when he last touched the core series. But I think the true acid test is this: are any of the follow-up Sandman works even close to the original in quality or spirit? My own subjective answer is a resounding no.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 13, 2018 8:28:21 GMT -5
Gaiman has been doing soemthing Sandman every couple of years since the main series ended. Dream Hunters, Overture, etc. He never actually stopped doing Sandman stuff, it just wasn't a regular series anymore. He also curated the Dreaming series letting others play n his playground and curated Mike Carey's Lucifer (i.e. was a consultant on it as Carey developed the series and wrote the first several arcs), so this is not something he hasn't done before. DC's hype department is playing up the return and the newness of the curator role, but in truth, this is what they have been doing with the Sandman sandbox ever since the regular series ended (and even before in some cases). And since Sandman has always been a series that looked at the world through Gaiman's perspective, a perspective that grew and changed as he wrote the series and one that continues to grow and evolve, why shouldn't the Sandman universe continue to grow and evolve with him rather than be a snapshot of a particular point in time, since the prism of Gaiman the series reflected evolved continually over the 9 or so years it ran, evolved in every Sandman related project Neil was a part of since that time, and that evolving prism is pretty much the essence of every Sandman story he has written/contributed to or will write/contribute to. Stories evolve in the retelling and the best ones are timeless, they are not static snapshots of a moment in time. -M For well over a decade, each follow-up Sandman project Gaiman did skirted around the use of Morpheus and the main timeline in any significant way. The main series was concluded. So when he finally did return to this, he had been away a long time and inevitably lost part of the person/creator he had been when he last touched the core series. But I think the true acid test is this: are any of the follow-up Sandman works even close to the original in quality or spirit? My own subjective answer is a resounding no. I don't know, I thought Overture was really good.
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