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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 28, 2018 0:15:10 GMT -5
I was around for X-Men Vol. 2, I assume spinning off the longer running Uncanny X-Men. And while I am no comic historian, with the initial issue having something (yeah yeah I have them all) like 9 different covers for #1, I would imagine the goal was making bank. Which I guess really is always the motive. But in this case, just the only I am sure of. Wow! There was nine different cover issues for that issue!?!?! No wonder it sold eight million copies during the speculation boom era. There were actually 5 covers, 4 that provided one segment of a bigger image and the 5th had a multi-gatefold cover with the entire image. It was stupid as s@#$ and people bought 'em by the caseloads. That is why they sold 7 million copies (forget that biggest selling of all time nonsense, as the comics of the 40s and 50s regularly had million copy sales levels). Most of it sat in comic shops, in the back room, with many having boxes of the stuff cluttering up the place, before they closed down. Team Titans was a spin-off of Teen Titans, that was just as pathetic. The first issue had a variant for each character, providing an origin story, then then the same main story in each one. That one didn't do quite as well, as the Speculator Boom was starting to unravel. X-Force actually grew out of a similar idea that Liefeld had proposed, when he worked at DC. Howard the Duck kind of spun off of Man-Thing, as he originally appeared with some other displaced characters, before falling off some floating stairs, landing him in our world (or the Marvel world, to be more precise) and then progressed from there.
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Post by MDG on Apr 28, 2018 9:22:50 GMT -5
At EC, there were plans to launch a fourth horror title, The Crypt of Terror, just before they folded.
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Post by String on Apr 28, 2018 9:34:56 GMT -5
Thing is, the Punisher is filled with so much outlandish nonsense that it was laughable. So you're saying the specs Eliot R Brown supplied throughout the Armory series is incorrect? I'm not a gun buff but I thought the info he supplied was detailed as was his drawings. Gun porn is dismissive as well. Rifles, pistols, yes, but Brown also covered a variety of subjects ranging from cutlery to spying equipment to locks (and picks & devices to beat them) to combat simulators to esoteric weapons such as blowguns. They even reprinted his diagram of the Punisher's Battle Van from Official Marvel Handbook #15. Plus, Brown added narration snippets from the character that gave reasons why he chose these specific models and/or devices. Disturbing though it may be to some, it did offer some interesting character insight as to his preparation for waging his one-man war on crime. And yes, Marvel did do a similar venture for Iron Man. Also by Eliot R Brown:
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 28, 2018 9:52:47 GMT -5
Thing is, the Punisher is filled with so much outlandish nonsense that it was laughable. So you're saying the specs Eliot R Brown supplied throughout the Armory series is incorrect? I'm not a gun buff but I thought the info he supplied was detailed as was his drawings. Gun porn is dismissive as well. Rifles, pistols, yes, but Brown also covered a variety of subjects ranging from cutlery to spying equipment to locks (and picks & devices to beat them) to combat simulators to esoteric weapons such as blowguns. They even reprinted his diagram of the Punisher's Battle Van from Official Marvel Handbook #15. Plus, Brown added narration snippets from the character that gave reasons why he chose these specific models and/or devices. Disturbing though it may be to some, it did offer some interesting character insight as to his preparation for waging his one-man war on crime. And yes, Marvel did do a similar venture for Iron Man. Also by Eliot R Brown: I'm talking about actual Punisher comics, not the reference material. The actual stories had all kinds of silliness, starting with issue #1 (heck, even before that), on the cover, where he is on a fire escape about to fire a rocket launcher into a building. There is such a thing as blast radius and he is way inside it. In other words, fire and die! Pretty much up there with the climax of Rambo, where he fires a LAWs rocket at a Hind gunship, while sitting in the cockpit of a Huey. They conveniently ignored the backblast of the rocket, which would have fried the helicopter and the rescued POWs. The Punisher comics had that, in spades. Yeah, comic books; but, still...
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Post by Batflunkie on Apr 28, 2018 10:33:27 GMT -5
Garth Ennis' Punisher was probably the only time where the series was done actual justice and flat out embraced the utter stupidity of the book. The current Punisher book where Frank somehow gets ahold of Stark's War Machine armor is pretty okay too
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 28, 2018 10:51:06 GMT -5
There were tons of Batman spinoffs in the 90s. I don't think I could even list them all. Wasn't Vertigo's Lucifer a Sandman spinoff? yes... after Season of Mists, there was a 'Sandman Presents: Lucifer' mini series, then a regular series. The Dreaming also spun out of Sandman, as well as a variety of 'Sandman Presents' one shots.
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Post by chadwilliam on Apr 28, 2018 11:25:10 GMT -5
The first ones that came to mind are the classics, all Superman spin-offs: Superboy (which began in 1949), Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen (1954) and Superman's Girl Friend, Lois Lane (1958), because apparently - judging by the longevity of all three series - there was a market for stories about an adolescent Superman (understandable, I suppose) as well as his annoying buddy and scheming girlfriend (a little less understandable, to me at least). I love the Jimmy Olsen title and while the impetus for it may have been little more than, 'The TV show is popular and kids really like Jack Larson in it', it would have been a missed opportunity had the series not existed. It's all very well and good to see how someone like Superman deals with the constant bombardment of alien invaders, bizarre happenings, and general excitement that Metropolis served as a magnet for, but how would the everyday man on the street cope with these things without him? How would the reader of these comics deal with being changed into a Bizarro? Being shrunk by Brainiac? Having all memory of his existence erased from the world? Superman could either come up with a solution to these problems fairly quickly or already had one ready to go, Jimmy, however, was almost always in over his head. Jimmy Olsen really was the Phillip J Fry of the 1950's and 60's - just a lovable, well meaning, goofball who couldn't avoid making the blunders that would have spelled disaster had he not also possessed the wits to get himself out of any dilemma. "Ah, but what about that Superman Signal watch? How bad could things have gotten when he had Superman on his speed dial?", you ask. Trust me - Superman could have been handcuffed to Jimmy for his whole adventure and Jimmy would have still found a way to render him useless. And to Jimmy, none of this would have seemed all that extraordinary to a guy who seemed to assume that getting turned into a Porcupine Man or his own evil duplicate was something that happened to most people.
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Post by sabongero on Apr 30, 2018 11:53:07 GMT -5
There were tons of Batman spinoffs in the 90s. I don't think I could even list them all. Wasn't Vertigo's Lucifer a Sandman spinoff? yes... after Season of Mists, there was a 'Sandman Presents: Lucifer' mini series, then a regular series. The Dreaming also spun out of Sandman, as well as a variety of 'Sandman Presents' one shots. Hmm I wonder if Carey's approach to writing Lucifer for 75 issues was the same direction for the character when Neil wrote him in Sandman?
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