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Post by tarkintino on Jun 23, 2018 4:50:26 GMT -5
Well my final thoughts for my thread. for the last time, some of you and businesses like drug stores pharmacy places need to learn that its not just Marvel and DC. Image, Boom Studios, Dark Horse, IDW are popular. Dark horror comics are hugely popular where Im from such as Dark Ark, Regression, Walking Dead comic book long before the stupid tv show, Manifest Destiny. Boom Studios besides Power Rangers theres the Jim Henson sequel stuff Power of the Dfark Crytstal etc. That and IDW with Transformers and G.I. Joe etc. Its not just Marvel and DC anymore, folks. I hope you realize that. Either downtown businesses need to realize that or everyone here will have to be stuck with going for road trips to the city just to buy comic books from the comic book shop. pharmcy stores cant just cater to frikkin kids with stuff like Archie or Sonic or My LIttle Ponly. Kids are really into Rick and Morty Aside from the number of countering examples of why your theory is incorrect, it all goes to numbers--and the "popular" comics you refer to do not warrant spinner racks--or even shelf space in non-traditional locations. There is no widespread interest justifying the investment/risk at all. Furthermore, you referring to The Walking Dead TV series as "stupid" is irrelevant--it is the one and only reason anyone among the general population knows that title and concept. The TV series brought attention to the book that was not going to happen--and did not--before the build up to / and the TV series' October 31, 2010 premiere. The comics have been the beneficiary of the TV series phenomenon, not the other way around, where much of the population did not know what The Walking Dead comic was. History cannot be rewritten to support something that never existed.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jun 23, 2018 9:25:31 GMT -5
I mean, maybe, although I don't think current comics would work in this environment. Maybe if the products were a little more multimedia, like a comic/coloring/sticker book.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 13:47:52 GMT -5
Again let's be clear here what this initiative from Diamond is. It is not Diamond going out and putting spinner racks of new material in random businesses where people might encounter them. It is Diamond giving incentives to comic shops to find local businesses where pop culture awareness of super-heroes and comic content may exist and setting up a subcontract with that business for the comic shop to supply them with a spinner rack (only $299 from Diamond) and stocking it with whatever comics the comic shop wants to put in the spinner rack, whether it's new material, back stock, leftovers from Free Comic Book Day or Halloween Comicfest, or whatever. It is up to the comic shop and the business to determine the nature of the subcontract-selling the books outright to the business, putting the books there on consignment, etc. etc.
This is not putting spinner racks back in pharmacies, convenience stores, or what have you. This, if it gets any traction, is comic shops serving as outreach to other pop and geek culture outlets to put comics in front of people who are fans of comic and geek culture but who may not be comic shop customers.
So you might have a vintage toy store in a neighborhood near a comic shop. There's some crossover but not every toy collector buys new comics or even any comics. The comic shop makes a deal with the toy shop owner-Let's put a spinner rack in and stock it with Transformer, GI Joe, Masters of the Universe, some Star Wars, some Star Trek, some TMNT and a few basic Marvel and DC stuff-properties your customers collect but maybe not follow the comics. It's not getting comic in front of people who do not know the properties, it's getting comics in front of the fans of the properties who may not go to comic shops.
Now a few blocks over there may be a used video/game used DVD kind of store, that buys/sells/trades a la Game Stop but independently operated. The comic shop owner might approach him and set up a spinner rack that includes Sonic the Hedgehog, Megaman, Halo, Assassin's Creed, some Batman Arkham, some DC Injustice, etc. and maybe some basic Marvel and DC books etc. that appeal to more video game fans
Again it's not about getting all comics to the mass audience, it's about curating a spinner rack in locations where there are potential customers who might already be interested in the properties featured in the product. Could a comic shop potentially look to put a spinner rack in a grocery store or pharmacy?-sure, but that's not the intent, and the owner of said business would have to work out a deal with the owner of the lcs for it to happen. This isn't going to put spinner racks into places that don't have local comic shops because it is run through local comic shops as the point men of the initiative and the ones stocking/supplying the spinner racks in other locations.
If we are going to discuss the merits or lack there of of this initiative, let's actually understand what it is trying to do and what it is not trying to do. It is trying to get more comic readers, but it is doing so by trying to get people who are already at least tangentially connected to and aware of comics to buy comics, not create new readers whole cloth who have never been exposed to comics or comic properties.
It's a baby step and it might not work. Combined with the Game Stop initiative, the Wal*Mart initiative and programs like DC's Zoom/Ink line, it is part of an overall attempt by publishers and Diamond to reach out beyond the narrows of the comic shop audience, but it is not an all encompassing attempt to return the days of newsstands. It shows that the industry is finally gaining awareness that the if you build it they will come approach to the direct market/comic shop model has not brought people in to replenish the ranks of diminishing readers and that there is growth in comic readership in other markets and models. They are slowly adapting to this and, to coin the old trope, if you can't bring Mohammed to the mountain, bring the mountain to Mohammed idea, they are trying this in varied and small steps. No one of these initiatives is going to "save the comic industry" but cumulatively they can slowly make some inroads into gaining a number of new readers and then gradually begin tailoring the packaging and distribution of their product to attract these slowly growing new customers, then in the long run it could be win. I am sure there will be plenty of missteps along the way, many failed initiatives along the path, but it is the right direction to be moving in, and it's going to take a long term plan with a long term vision for there to be any chance of success. The industry didn't fall into the mess its in overnight, and it won't emerge overnight in a blaze of glory either. It's going to take time, planning, persistence, patience, and building on small gains to lead towards a bigger result in time. To that end, I applaud this step even if it does fail in the short term.
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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 23, 2018 13:58:26 GMT -5
People reading this thread might be interested to know that the latest issue (#7) of Marvel Comics Digest is out in stores, at the checkout counter with the Archie digests. I bought my copy at a Safeway supermarket yesterday, and I see them regularly at Fred Meyer (Kroger) stores.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 14:32:42 GMT -5
People reading this thread might be interested to know that the latest issue (#7) of Marvel Comics Digest is out in stores, at the checkout counter with the Archie digests. I bought my copy at a Safeway supermarket yesterday, and I see them regularly at Fred Meyer (Kroger) stores. Are these new stories or reprints?
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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 23, 2018 18:28:06 GMT -5
People reading this thread might be interested to know that the latest issue (#7) of Marvel Comics Digest is out in stores, at the checkout counter with the Archie digests. I bought my copy at a Safeway supermarket yesterday, and I see them regularly at Fred Meyer (Kroger) stores. Are these new stories or reprints? All reprints. The pattern is that each digest starts with a Silver Age story or two, then a Bronze Age story or two, and then more modern stories, often chosen from the all-ages variant of the featured title.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 23, 2018 21:24:47 GMT -5
Are these new stories or reprints? All reprints. The pattern is that each digest starts with a Silver Age story or two, then a Bronze Age story or two, and then more modern stories, often chosen from the all-ages variant of the featured title. These are the ones being done with Archie Comics, right?
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Post by Randle-El on Jun 23, 2018 23:50:43 GMT -5
I think the other thing that's worth mentioning -- . As longtime comic readers, we all know that comics are not just for kids, as both mainstream superhero and indie publishers regularly put out content that would be rated PG-13 at minimum (and I'm fairly certain most of the Image stuff would be rated R). But the general public still associates comics with children. And if you resort to things like spinner racks or selling comics in the grocery aisle other mass market locations, the content will have to be fairly curated to ensure that parents aren't going to be writing angry letters to the publishers. Archie works because it's fairly clean. Licensed characters like Garfield, Disney, Loony Toons would all work. Image Comics? No way. Even Marvel and DC content would need to be either specifically kid-oriented stories, or cherry-picked stuff from their main publishing line.
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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 24, 2018 0:15:12 GMT -5
All reprints. The pattern is that each digest starts with a Silver Age story or two, then a Bronze Age story or two, and then more modern stories, often chosen from the all-ages variant of the featured title. These are the ones being done with Archie Comics, right? Exactly. The indicia says "published by Archie Comics Publications", and most of the ads are for Archie collections.
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Post by shaxper on Oct 9, 2018 7:33:39 GMT -5
I remember spinner racks bending comics in half after a while. Maybe if they are placed in bags and boards first ? Well that's one thing--comic collectors will shy away from buying something that's already 8.0 before they get to the checkout. Plus, it's not just the spinner rack, but what's in it. I'm not in comic shops lately, but are current covers of Superman, Batman, X-Men, Avengers appealing to kids? And to a parent expected to fork over 3 bucks when their kid brings it to them? If it ends on a cliffhanger, is it clear when the next part will be available at that store? Excellent points (made four months ago!). Modern comics would need to change to suit the delivery system. Not only are most comics far more mature than they used to be, but the multi-part story arcs discourage impulse purchases, and you mention the 8.0 phenomenon -- maybe this is just my experience, but modern comics seem a lot less physically durable than the classic stuff. They show imperfections so easily from the mildest mishandling (i.e. being stored in a spinner rack).
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Post by rberman on Oct 14, 2018 7:51:00 GMT -5
I did finally find Disney selling some comic books in the gift shop of the Star Wars meet-n-greet-characters building at Disneyland. They weren't on a spinner rack, doubtless for the reasons enumerated earlier in this thread. Racks are a cheap method with a small footprint compared to a cabinet, but they don't have the visual appeal or protective aspect either.
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Post by urrutiap on Dec 13, 2018 13:26:08 GMT -5
News update
I just found out that a candy shop called LemonHeads thats located in the downtown area of a city for tourists or whatever, that the candy shop just started having a spinner rack of new comics. Stuff like some new Captain America series along with current stuff Walking Dead, Avengers, Batman Uncanny X Men new series and couple of others. no old back issues of old comics though. Just a spinner rack of the more newer stuff.
Thats pretty nice I guess for a candy shop to start having new comics coming in.
Now i can buy a few comic books to go along with a bag of raspberry and orange flavored caramel popcorn or whatever
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Post by urrutiap on Dec 13, 2018 13:27:54 GMT -5
Candy and/or bags of weird flavorings of popcorn to go along with a few comic books. A good deal if you think about it
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Post by MDG on Dec 13, 2018 15:49:05 GMT -5
Candy and/or bags of weird flavorings of popcorn to go along with a few comic books. A good deal if you think about it I haven't made it there yet, but this place in town is basically a coffee shop that sells cereal-based meals and sells comics. Or maybe it's a comic shop that also serves coffee and cereal.
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Post by urrutiap on Dec 13, 2018 19:01:53 GMT -5
Well this candy shop which is LemonHeads its a little downtown shop that i dont even go to a whole lot and i dont keep track of whats new but from what i heard from the main comic book shop in the bigger city they're starting to branch out a little at a time recently and just a week ago I guess they just added a spinner rack of new current comics at the LemondHeads candy and popcorn novelty shop. So far what I saw on their Facebook its mostly Walking Dead, new Avengers, Batman # 60, new Uncanny X Men, new Amazing Spider Man.
Like I said its nice so far since its just only new current comic books being put on the spinner rack at the candy shop.
I have a question for you guys, do you think a bag of different flavors of caramel popcorn such as Raspberry and Orange at 3.99 for a bag is a bit too much or an ok price especially if im trying to buy a couple of comic books at the same time?
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