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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 15, 2018 6:12:49 GMT -5
I'm talking about the final chapter in the magus Saga ( Warlock #11) in which the final artwork looked subpar.
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Post by beccabear67 on Sept 16, 2018 16:57:49 GMT -5
It had more Leialoha in it, thus if you didn't like that it would be subpar I guess.
I remember some X-Men annual I disliked by him, but Spider-Woman and Coyote were very lush, and I enjoyed what he brought to Warlock!
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Post by badwolf on Sept 16, 2018 17:05:22 GMT -5
It had more Leialoha in it, thus if you didn't like that it would be subpar I guess. I remember some X-Men annual I disliked by him, but Spider-Woman and Coyote were very lush, and I enjoyed what he brought to Warlock! I think it was that one with Illyana's fairy tale...
Yeah here it is:
I don't care for it either...it's been years since I opened it up!
Edit: Just had a look. The framing sequences look a bit better, as if someone else inked them (it's all Steve though)... I think the main portion is supposed to look "storybook-ish"...which is okay and valid I guess.
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Post by beccabear67 on Sept 16, 2018 17:10:16 GMT -5
A kind of sequel to #153? Which I didn't care for either. Actually it sort of reminds me now of P. Craig Russell's 'Oscar Wilde's Fairy Tales' style, which I probably hadn't seen when I bought this. There were a lot of X-Men I didn't like then though, even the Barry Smith issues and the Storm becomes a vampire issue and the annual that followed that.
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Post by badwolf on Sept 16, 2018 17:34:43 GMT -5
A kind of sequel to #153? Which I didn't care for either. Actually it sort of reminds me now of P. Craig Russell's 'Oscar Wilde's Fairy Tales' style, which I probably hadn't seen when I bought this. There were a lot of X-Men I didn't like then though, even the Barry Smith issues and the Storm becomes a vampire issue and the annual that followed that. Yeah, they're having a campfire cookout and telling stories, Logan has just finished one and now it's Illyana's turn, so she tells a SF story with Kitty at the center. Like Kitty's fairy tale, there is some subtext and the issue closes with Kitty going to "have a talk" with Peter.
You didn't like the Dracula issue??
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 16, 2018 18:33:41 GMT -5
A kind of sequel to #153? Which I didn't care for either. Actually it sort of reminds me now of P. Craig Russell's 'Oscar Wilde's Fairy Tales' style, which I probably hadn't seen when I bought this. There were a lot of X-Men I didn't like then though, even the Barry Smith issues and the Storm becomes a vampire issue and the annual that followed that. Yeah, they're having a campfire cookout and telling stories, Logan has just finished one and now it's Illyana's turn, so she tells a SF story with Kitty at the center. Like Kitty's fairy tale, there is some subtext and the issue closes with Kitty going to "have a talk" with Peter.
You didn't like the Dracula issue??
For my part, I hated how Rachel Van Helsing was offed like so much unimportant cannon fodder for what was in the final analysis an unimportant X-Men storyline. Yeah, yeah, villains all think Storm is hot... we got that, Chris. Rachel desevred better. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Sept 17, 2018 12:51:06 GMT -5
Generally I disliked cross-overs of horror characters with super characters. I could put up with Man-Thing, but only liked Man Wolf as he was J. Jonah Jameson's astronaut son and David A. Kraft took it in a more adventure, non-horror, direction later too. Dracula, Werewolf, Frankenstein... they belong in their own horror world to me, not in Iron Man or even Spider-Woman, and X-Men just seemed a really bad fit which I saw as having an sf superhero basis. Conan, Red Sonja Tarzan should also all be in their own world, maybe with Devil Dinosaur, Warlord and Kamandi... they should never be meeting Spider-Man or The Legion Of Super-Heroes. As for Son Of Satan, Brother Voodoo, Satanna... maybe they can fit into Dr. Strange but it's not so much they shouldn't appear anywhere else as I just found the characters didn't fit and seemed well dumb. Low points in runs of comics for me would be Frankenstein appearing in Iron Man, some rooster headed voodoo guy in The Avengers, and Dracula in The X-Men. It's like Kolchak The Night Stalker showing up in Mash or something.  |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Sept 17, 2018 14:26:38 GMT -5
Don't necessarily agree that the horror characters shouldn't mix with the superheroes in general, but I definitely agree that both the Dracula and Belasco/Limbo stuff Claremont introduced to the X-men were serious misfires. The magic/supernatural stuff and mutants generally don't mix well (I'd say one of the few exceptions is the story in X-men Annual #4). So, yeah, I hated the Dracula issues of X-men (the one in the regular series and the annual).
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Post by badwolf on Sept 17, 2018 17:09:35 GMT -5
I see your point about horror & superheroes mixing. Iron Man vs. Frankenstein's monster certainly sounds odd. (Never read that one, although I recently read an issue where the Silver Surfer meets one of Frankenstein's descendants.) I liked Jack Russell as one of Spider-Woman's associates, though. Maybe I wouldn't have liked the Dracula/X-Men issues if they hadn't been drawn so well. I also found some of the emotional content affecting; one of the issues (I can never remember which), opens with a row about Kitty's parents divorcing, which it home with me at the time.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Sept 18, 2018 11:27:52 GMT -5
Don't necessarily agree that the horror characters shouldn't mix with the superheroes in general, but I definitely agree that both the Dracula and Belasco/Limbo stuff Claremont introduced to the X-men were serious misfires. The magic/supernatural stuff and mutants generally don't mix well (I'd say one of the few exceptions is the story in X-men Annual #4). So, yeah, I hated the Dracula issues of X-men (the one in the regular series and the annual).
I echo all of that. I thought Marv Wolfman's characters deserved better than this contemptuous treatment, especially given how fussy Claremont gets when other people write 'his' characters.
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