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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 15, 2018 6:11:08 GMT -5
Comics have been around a long time and absent a steady writer, many storylines and developments are put forth, and not all of them are good developments. Which Bad ideas were corrected , ignored or explained away that you can recall ?
My entry into this subject is the reversal of many bad events coming out of the Avengers series The Crossing. Iron Man is a traitor, the Wasp becomes an insect and it all gets reset after the Heroes Reborn mess from 1996. It appears that Franklin Richards reverses all of those bad decisions when he placed them in a pocket universe and brought them back in their original incarnations in 1998. Thank God.
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Post by kirby101 on Sept 15, 2018 9:26:40 GMT -5
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 15, 2018 10:00:20 GMT -5
At the end of the original Swamp Thing run (and in a few post-cancellation appearances, if I’m not mistaken), Alec Holland gained the power to change back and forth between his human appearance and his muck-encrusted self.
That was simply retconned away (and duly explained in the editorial page) when the new Swamp Thing series started under the pen of Martin Pasko. “Nah, that just never happened” is, sometimes, the best explanation!
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Post by zaku on Sept 15, 2018 18:11:18 GMT -5
This one.  |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Sept 15, 2018 21:22:41 GMT -5
I think bad ideas are more often just ignored and forgotten than corrected, but that works just as well.
I think just in the last 10 years of Iron Man there's been a 1/2 dozen... Marvel just doesn't really do continuity any more.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 16, 2018 7:47:24 GMT -5
I remember the Black Panther changing his name to the Black leopard. Fantastic Four #119 on sale in November 1971   Avengers # 105 sale date August 1972   In the 70's there was a militant group that called themselves the Black Panthers, and I'm thinking that Marvel didn't want to be recognized with any connection to them. They must have had some backlash or change of heart. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 16, 2018 13:05:51 GMT -5
Deadman having a robot body is an idea that was thankfully dropped.
Maybe I shouldn’t have mentioned it. Someone at DC might read this and we'd get a new Deadman in a Robot Body comic. With seven different bodies, each of a different color (Red Deadman, Blue Deadman, Green Deadman...) and inhabited by the soul of other dead heroes.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 16, 2018 13:14:56 GMT -5
Deadman having a robot body is an idea that was thankfully dropped. Maybe I shouldn’t have mentioned it. Someone at DC might read this and we'd get a new Deadman in a Robot Body comic. With seven different bodies, each of a different color (Red Deadman, Blue Deadman, Green Deadman...) and inhabited by the soul of other dead heroes. I thought I'd read the vast majority of Deadman comics, but I have no memory of this. When was it? Or maybe I've repressed the memory. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 16, 2018 13:47:10 GMT -5
It was in Jack Kirby’s Forever people run. It was awful.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 16, 2018 13:50:16 GMT -5
It was in Jack Kirby’s Forever people run. It was awful. Okay. That makes sense. I think I may have read that once eons ago. But I'm very very far from a fan of Kirby's Fourth World. |
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Post by chadwilliam on Sept 16, 2018 14:23:28 GMT -5
This one. The 24 hours following the destruction of Krypton were an incredibly busy period. Not only did this issue establish that Jor-El and Lara had been saved from their planet's destruction though forced to float aimlessly through space due to Kryptonite poisoning, Action Comics 370 revealed that whilst on his way to Earth, Superbaby's rocket made a pit stop on another planet where Kal-El lived for about a century only to be deaged with his memory of his life erased and placed back in his rocket to complete his sojourn to Earth, at which point (as detailed in Superman 137), his rocket was hit with a ray which duplicated its contents and thus was born an exact copy of the infant who would grow up to be Super-Menace. At around the same time (based on Superman 106), Superbaby left his rocket to fight a giant bug creature in space before re-entering his ship. |
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Post by chadwilliam on Sept 16, 2018 15:07:56 GMT -5
Spider-Man: Chapter One.
Also, despite the convoluted details of Superbaby's trip to Earth mentioned above, for all of Byrne's snide remarks about needing to scrape the barnacles off of Superman's past, I don't think anything compares with the mess he made of things with his Superman run. "When was Superman stupid enough to tell people he had a secret identity" was how Byrne phrased his thoughts on the Superman/Clark Kent dynamic suggesting that he wasn't going to revisit the old 'Lois suspects that Clark is Superman, but isn't sure' trope during his run, only to decide otherwise in an issue of Action Comics. The barnacle: 'Lois thinks Superman might be Clark' got replaced with Byrne's simplified: 'Lois is told by The Kents that Superman was discovered by Ma and Pa Kent and raised as Clark's brother only don't ask us what he did during all that time or where we kept him since no one ever saw him, why neither Superman nor Clark ever mention that they're brothers, where Superman lives now, and how if you need to get in touch with Superman ask Jimmy to use his signal watch and not Clark to give his brother a call because, uh....'. The weird thing is, this was actually forgotten about immediately only to be recalled in, I think it was Action Comics 650 if I'm recalling Shaxper's excellent Superman thread correctly, only to then be forgotten about again.
Byrne had a number of "fixes" such as these during his run - ie. Problem: Supergirl is Superman's cousin from Krypton is too complicated. Solution: She is now an alternate universe proto plasmic being created by a good version of Lex Luthor to resemble an alternate universe Lana Lang except she instead resembles Supergirl - and while many of them stayed around too long, when the Post-Crisis Superman history started falling apart, it was stuff like this (see also 'The Legion of Super-Heroes travelling to an alternate universe to have adventures with Superboy and returning to their own without realising it') that was taken out of the equation first.
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Post by Duragizer on Sept 16, 2018 15:32:26 GMT -5
Spider-Man: Chapter One. Also, despite the convoluted details of Superbaby's trip to Earth mentioned above, for all of Byrne's snide remarks about needing to scrape the barnacles off of Superman's past, I don't think anything compares with the mess he made of things with his Superman run. "When was Superman stupid enough to tell people he had a secret identity" was how Byrne phrased his thoughts on the Superman/Clark Kent dynamic suggesting that he wasn't going to revisit the old 'Lois suspects that Clark is Superman, but isn't sure' trope during his run, only to decide otherwise in an issue of Action Comics. The barnacle: 'Lois thinks Superman might be Clark' got replaced with Byrne's simplified: 'Lois is told by The Kents that Superman was discovered by Ma and Pa Kent and raised as Clark's brother only don't ask us what he did during all that time or where we kept him since no one ever saw him, why neither Superman nor Clark ever mention that they're brothers, where Superman lives now, and how if you need to get in touch with Superman ask Jimmy to use his signal watch and not Clark to give his brother a call because, uh....'. The weird thing is, this was actually forgotten about immediately only to be recalled in, I think it was Action Comics 650 if I'm recalling Shaxper's excellent Superman thread correctly, only to then be forgotten about again. Byrne had a number of "fixes" such as these during his run - ie. Problem: Supergirl is Superman's cousin from Krypton is too complicated. Solution: She is now an alternate universe proto plasmic being created by a good version of Lex Luthor to resemble an alternate universe Lana Lang except she instead resembles Supergirl - and while many of them stayed around too long, when the Post-Crisis Superman history started falling apart, it was stuff like this (see also 'The Legion of Super-Heroes travelling to an alternate universe to have adventures with Superboy and returning to their own without realising it') that was taken out of the equation first. I'm a diehard fan of the post- Crisis, pre- Birthright Superman, but that's largely due to what writers other than Byrne brought to the table. For every good idea he had, there were five more weak ones overshadowing them. I often wonder how the reboot would've gone if Marv Wolfman had been the one spearheading it, with Byrne's influence minimized. |
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Post by zaku on Sept 16, 2018 15:50:43 GMT -5
Problem: Supergirl is Superman's cousin from Krypton is too complicated. I'm sorry, when did Byrne say that? Any source? Thank you. |
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Post by Duragizer on Sept 16, 2018 16:06:42 GMT -5
I don't know about complicated, but Byrne has made it quite clear in the past that he believes Clark should be the absolute only survivor of Krypton.
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