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Post by Cheswick on Sept 18, 2018 10:08:24 GMT -5
In the TV show Family Guy, they killed off the dog. I was shocked but apparently they brought him back later on in the season. Maybe there was backlash ? They planned to bring him back all along. I'm fairly certain the episode he returned in was already produced by the time the episode he died had aired. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 18, 2018 10:14:51 GMT -5
One metric is how easy it is to explain an origin to someone who doesn't read comics. You know, once I met a person who never had read a comics in her whole life, and I had to explain how to read a comic book to her, in what order read the panels and the ballons and how to understand which character was speaking. It's not simple as it seems... Try explaining baseball to someone who's never seen a game. |
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Post by zaku on Sept 18, 2018 10:33:31 GMT -5
You know, once I met a person who never had read a comics in her whole life, and I had to explain how to read a comic book to her, in what order read the panels and the ballons and how to understand which character was speaking. It's not simple as it seems... Try explaining baseball to someone who's never seen a game. I don't know if they are comparable. I believe it's generally accepted that explaining for the first time the rules of a game can be quite a challenge. But for some reason people believe that reading comics is some kind of innate ability that everyone has... |
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Post by comicsandwho on Sept 18, 2018 14:03:18 GMT -5
In the TV show Family Guy, they killed off the dog. I was shocked but apparently they brought him back later on in the season. Maybe there was backlash ? They planned to bring him back all along. I'm fairly certain the episode he returned in was already produced by the time the episode he died had aired. In 1966, Charles Schulz was influenced by 'Peanuts' readers letters to resolve a storyline much sooner than he planned. Linus and Lucy moved out of the neighborhood, only to move back within a few weeks. Schulz later said he had planned for the story to last months, maybe even a year, before bringing them back, but he change plans after seeing how much he'd upset readers. He also dropped a character called 'Charlotte Braun' from the strip, in 1954, because readers complained about her(she strongly resembled Charlie Brown, and treid to act like him, even wearing a shirt with an identical stripe. However, her abrasive personality alienated radrs even more than it did the other characters. Schulz responded to one woman who wanted the character 'killed off' that he was going to do it...but asked her if she 'wanted the death of an innocent child on (her conscience', and accompanied the letter with a drawing of Charlotte with an axe sticking out of her head!) Soon after, Schulz decided to give Lucy more of Charlotte's 'personality', and it kind of spread to other girls in the strip. Schulz requested that no strip featuring the 'Other C.B' be reprinted in any book collections, and so, most people didn't find out the character existed until 'The Complete Peanuts' came out. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 19, 2018 5:50:01 GMT -5
During John Byrnes FF run, he was lauded for bringing them "back to basics " and it was a very entertaining 3 years. But During the company wide Secret Wars series where the Things was away for a year , he had Johny Storm fall in love and Marry long time Ben Grimm paramour Alicia Masters. There was no internet during that time to blow up and have the fans flip out like they do these days so no one could gauge what the response was , but I didn't really like that development. The wedding was in issue #300 and in 359 it was revealed that Alicia Masters was a Skrull all along undoing the bad idea.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Sept 19, 2018 15:20:23 GMT -5
Steve Englehart's solution, shown in dream form in FF #332, would have been to reveal that Franklin Richards had misguidedly mind-controlled Johnny and Alicia to make them fall in love so that the Thing could move on and regain his human form.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 20, 2018 4:43:39 GMT -5
I'm going to enter this as a bad idea, though I was never a Black Hawk fan. Maybe someone could tell me what transpired to cause this and how it was reversed.  |
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 20, 2018 6:33:00 GMT -5
The Batmania/Camp/Spy crazes combined w/ declining sales. The Blackhawks went through the same gimmicky phases as so many other characters did: Red agents; aliens; monsters, etc.
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Post by badwolf on Sept 20, 2018 12:15:09 GMT -5
Steve Englehart's solution, shown in dream form in FF #332, would have been to reveal that Franklin Richards had misguidedly mind-controlled Johnny and Alicia to make them fall in love so that the Thing could move on and regain his human form. That's pretty icky and far-fetched. I remember not liking the development at the time (though upon rereading it in omnibus more recently it seemed okay, child's vs. adult's perceptions I guess), but IMO the solution(s) were worse than the "problem." |
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Post by rberman on Sept 20, 2018 12:55:59 GMT -5
Steve Englehart's solution, shown in dream form in FF #332, would have been to reveal that Franklin Richards had misguidedly mind-controlled Johnny and Alicia to make them fall in love so that the Thing could move on and regain his human form. That's pretty icky and far-fetched. I remember not liking the development at the time (though upon rereading it in omnibus more recently it seemed okay, child's vs. adult's perceptions I guess), but IMO the solution(s) were worse than the "problem." Speaking of icky, one of the most famous injustices in Marvel history occurred in Avengers #200, when an extradimensional being used technology to make Carol Danvers fall in love with him, then he had sex with her to impregnate himself as a baby within her womb so that he could be born into our universe because he liked it better than where he came from. Stuff happened and he couldn't stay here, so Thor took him home, and when Carol said she was going with him, her friends didn't say, "No way; this is mind control."  Chris Claremont brought Carol back to the Marvel Universe in Avengers Annual #10, in which she (standing in for Claremont) delivered a stinging monologue to the Avengers (standing in for writer David Michelinie) about what had happened in the previous story:  Then Claremont gave Carol a story arc of her own by taking away her Ms. Marvel powers only to grant her a new set of cosmic powers under the name Binary. I guess we could debate whether that part was a cure worse than the disease, but she got her Ms. Marvel powers back soon enough. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 20, 2018 18:17:08 GMT -5
There were still repercussions to the Ms. Marvel raped storyline in that Kurt Busiek had her develop a drinking problem in the pages of Avengers return.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 20, 2018 18:18:17 GMT -5
The Batmania/Camp/Spy crazes combined w/ declining sales. The Blackhawks went through the same gimmicky phases as so many other characters did: Red agents; aliens; monsters, etc. I figured as much but what was the In Story reason for their adopting costumes ? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 18:57:28 GMT -5
The Batmania/Camp/Spy crazes combined w/ declining sales. The Blackhawks went through the same gimmicky phases as so many other characters did: Red agents; aliens; monsters, etc. I figured as much but what was the In Story reason for their adopting costumes ? The President ordered them to "update" as Blackhawk retrains the group to be super spies. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 20, 2018 20:33:42 GMT -5
The Batmania/Camp/Spy crazes combined w/ declining sales. The Blackhawks went through the same gimmicky phases as so many other characters did: Red agents; aliens; monsters, etc. I figured as much but what was the In Story reason for their adopting costumes ? Ridiculous even for comics, even for DC Comics, even for Blackhawk... The President (LBJ) and the JLA have been secretly observing the Blackhawks screw up a mission (all a plot by Mr. Delta of G.E.O.R.G.E.) and they tell the Blackhawks they're washed up, too old, "junk-heap heroes." Blackhawk vows to turn his teammates into a crack contemporary fighting unit. Of course he gets to keep his name and uniform. He saddles the rest of them with those dopey ID's and costumes. A moment of silence, please, for the erstwhile Black Knights.    |
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 20, 2018 20:57:47 GMT -5
Ahhhhh! My eyes!!!
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