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Post by rberman on Nov 17, 2018 14:53:54 GMT -5
I was thinking about how American singing groups presented themselves prior to the mid-1960s:   And after the mid 1960s:    I was pondering how the change seems to roughly date from the mid 1960s. The notion of groups having identical uniforms (like choir members, or wait staff) faded, and some bands played up the individuality of their members in personality, hairstyle, and wardrobe. In some cases like the Spice Girls, the personas were clearly manufactured just to encourage the public to differentiate the members. Do you think comic book super-teams played any role in this, or were they too just responding to a broader cultural shift away from homogenous appearance? The Beatles were surely influential in doing this well and thus encouraging others to try. Here's an example of them early in the process, when they still had the same hairstyles (going back to their "same uniform" days) but were adopting different wardrobes for public appearance.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 16:01:41 GMT -5
the Beatles and KISS are pretty much the only bands ever, where people will recognize all 4 members.
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 17, 2018 16:05:08 GMT -5
I think the Rolling Stones, Yardbirds, and soon after them, Them, were the first to throw off the matching stage unis or jackets thing even slightly ahead of the Beatles. A lot of the local and garage groups in the U.S. followed, and San Francisco groups. I believe the Stones and Yardbirds wore mismatched or just street clothes as of late 1963/early 1964. X-Men #39 got rid of their team uniforms (dated December 1967), but The Fantastic Four, Challengers and Doom Patrol kept theirs. The Blackhawks got individual costumes and new codenames for awhile. And aren't you glad these guys, The Golliwogs, ditched the matching outfits idea and the name to become Creedence Clearwater Revival?  |
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Post by tarkintino on Nov 17, 2018 16:23:19 GMT -5
I was thinking about how American singing groups presented themselves prior to the mid-1960s: The Beatles were surely influential in doing this well and thus encouraging others to try. Here's an example of them early in the process, when they still had the same hairstyles (going back to their "same uniform" days) but were adopting different wardrobes for public appearance. Actually, The Rolling Stones did that before the Beatles, as being the opposite of them visually as well as musically. By 1965, while the Beatles were stiil sporting matching outfits as a group, as seen in this photo from their Shea Stadium concert--  --The Rolling Stones had long abandoned any matching outfits and had made their mark on music star individuality--  |
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Post by MDG on Nov 17, 2018 16:24:13 GMT -5
On the other hand...   |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 20:56:19 GMT -5
and can NOT forget:  |
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 18, 2018 0:22:41 GMT -5
'nuff said, the only band I've seen over 30 times live, and yeah, this photo was taken before I was born so they're practically the soundtrack of my life.
ABC and Spandau Ballet were a little more dapper....   But, Adam Ant was the closest to being a costumed hero....     though Siouxsie Sioux gave him a run for his money...   However, only Patty Smyth was the Warrior...  |
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Post by rberman on Nov 18, 2018 0:32:57 GMT -5
Those are some good ones! But Elvis Presley's "Captain Marvel Jr." jumpsuit is a contender too.  |
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Post by Confessor on Nov 18, 2018 6:37:45 GMT -5
Sorry to be a grump, but I don't understand the point of this thread at all. None of these bands or the general move away from uniformity among singing groups in the '60s was in any way influenced by comics. So, with that theory clearly incorrect, are we now just discussing musicians who made such outlandish sartorial choices that they sort of looked like superheroes?
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Post by rberman on Nov 18, 2018 7:54:17 GMT -5
Sorry to be a grump, but I don't understand the point of this thread at all. None of these bands or the general move away from uniformity among singing groups in the '60s was in any way influenced by comics. So, with that theory clearly incorrect, are we now just discussing musicians who made such outlandish sartorial choices that they sort of looked like superheroes? It appears that you understand the evolution of this thread perfectly, grumpiness notwithstanding. |
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Post by Dizzy D on Nov 18, 2018 9:34:44 GMT -5
There are two types of superteams:
The ones where all the members are first and foremost members of the team: Challengers of the Unknown, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men etc.
The ones where all the members are primarily solo-heroes who have banded together for a common cause: The Justice League, The Avengers, The Defenders etc.
The first group are the only ones that usually have matching outfits with some exceptions; the Legion of Superheroes for instance, are primarily only LOSH members, but all have their individual looks. They usually do have some matching themes (the rings are too small to notice, but there was a time where they all had similar belts.) Both type of teams have been around a long time and I think whether a group has matching outfits or not has more to do with this reason than the period they were conceived.
As for pop-groups whether they want to emphasize themselves as a group or as individuals seems to change from band to band and even many bands themselves go back and forth on matching looks. '
So I don't see a link between superheroes and pop singers here.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 18, 2018 11:13:30 GMT -5
Well, y'know, both John and Paul WERE into comics....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 11:20:59 GMT -5
So I don't see a link between superheroes and pop singers here. I agree with this ... 100 percent! |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 18, 2018 11:41:42 GMT -5
Cool. My favorite "out" comic fan from the golden age was Billy Holiday. (I suppose Elvis is second. DISTANT second.)  |
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 18, 2018 14:49:58 GMT -5
David Crosby was into Marvel comics in the '60s.  Jimi Hendrix and The Flamin' Grovvies' Cyril Jordan were into E.C.s. Much later, California Ska group Hepcat had some heavy Marvel readers too. That's all I remember right now... unless you count Hank Williams being said to get song ideas from late '40s onward romance comics, or Elvis really being influenced Captain Marvel Jr. which was stated by a childhood friend in a documentary I saw! |
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