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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 22:28:59 GMT -5
Weird I never noticed that they did vol #'s. DC quit listing them in 1983, when they streamlined their indicia. So if you mostly read comics published later than that, you wouldn't have seen them. Yes, I noticed weird stuff like this, even as a kid. I have been reading since 1966. I guess I didn't read the indicia unless I was looking to make sure it wasn't a second printing.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 24, 2019 13:04:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I used to notice the volume numbers. I would also read the publication frequency. Sometimes you are starved for reading material, especially if there wasn't anything good on television (especially before cable and you live far enough out you can only tune in2 of 3 networks!) I also used to read the ingredients and nutritional information on the cereal box. It was years before I knew what riboflavin was.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 13:13:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I used to notice the volume numbers. I would also read the publication frequency. Sometimes you are starved for reading material, especially if there wasn't anything good on television (especially before cable and you live far enough out you can only tune in2 of 3 networks!) I also used to read the ingredients and nutritional information on the cereal box. It was years before I knew what riboflavin was. I guess I did check it to see how often a title was published.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 24, 2019 15:36:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I used to notice the volume numbers. I would also read the publication frequency. Sometimes you are starved for reading material, especially if there wasn't anything good on television (especially before cable and you live far enough out you can only tune in2 of 3 networks!) I also used to read the ingredients and nutritional information on the cereal box. It was years before I knew what riboflavin was. I can't remember exactly when I discovered the indicia and all the good info you could glean from them, but I know I was all over them afterwards. In fact, when I bought this issue, which, as they say, I'd been eagerly awaiting... I can remember looking at the indicia hoping that I'd see that it would be published at least bi-monthly. Alas, I saw a designation I'd never seen before (and maybe since). "Published one-shot." DAY-AMN! Even I knew what that meant.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 24, 2019 21:50:11 GMT -5
The best for indicia reading was First Comics. They used to throw jokes in there, just to see if anyone noticed. They started getting letters about it and expanded it.
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Post by Chris on Jan 24, 2019 22:52:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I used to notice the volume numbers. I would also read the publication frequency. Sometimes you are starved for reading material, especially if there wasn't anything good on television (especially before cable and you live far enough out you can only tune in2 of 3 networks!) I also used to read the ingredients and nutritional information on the cereal box. It was years before I knew what riboflavin was. I would always read when eating back in those days, and if I had nothing else, I'd read the cereal box too. I remember niacin, riboflavin, and the "Draw A Supervillain" contest.
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Post by Chris on Jan 24, 2019 23:03:51 GMT -5
I can't remember exactly when I discovered the indicia and all the good info you could glean from them, but I know I was all over them afterwards. In fact, when I bought this issue, which, as they say, I'd been eagerly awaiting... I can remember looking at the indicia hoping that I'd see that it would be published at least bi-monthly. Alas, I saw a designation I'd never seen before (and maybe since). "Published one-shot." DAY-AMN! Even I knew what that meant. I remember visiting relatives in 1977, and they had the first couple of Star Wars comics from Marvel. I looked at the indicia and wondered how a first issue could be a reprint. And since Star Wars had just come out, I knew it wasn't some old story Marvel had printed years earlier. I found out after a while how it worked, but now, 40 years later, I've forgotten again. My best guess is that it sold out and they did another print run.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 26, 2019 10:36:12 GMT -5
Batman Family #16 (March 1978) Batgirl and Robin: "Fury of the Five-in-One Foe!" Script: Bob Rozakis Pencils: Don Heck Inks: John Celardo Colors: Jerry Serpe Letters: Milt Snapinn Grade: D+ With the cancellation of Teen Titans, Rozakis does his best to move some of those characters here with last minute half-considered guest appearances, Harlequin playing a part in the first chapter of this story and then disappearing without mention: And Betty Kane showing up on television for a brief and inconsequential encounter with the villain of the story: But any plans Rozakis did or did not have to give these two a more meaningful role in this title down the road are about to get scratched. The letters page tells a very interesting tale, beginning with this promise from Rozakis: but ending with this announcement: So somewhere between Rozakis answering that letter and this issue going to print, Milgrom removed Rozakis from writing the lead stories for this title. Which is not to say Rozakis won't continue to have a presence in this title, but rather that he is no longer calling the shots, so to speak. We get a few hints about where Rozakis might have beeen planning to take things next for Dick and Babs. It looks like Dick (and Lori?) might have ended up going back to work for Babs in DC: Though I have no idea how they would have balanced that with attending school full-time in upstate New York. And it seems as though Rozakis was working on developing some tension in regard to the three of them: Did Lori know Dick's alter ego (as had been teased two issues earlier), or would she have been jealous and snooping because Dick and Babs would always disappear together? Would have been interesting to find out. The story itself is third rate, at best. Rozakis gets to introduce a bunch of truly corny new villain ideas: But they are all the same villain, which Batgirl and Robin are able to expose and ultimately trap because he is color blind. It's a clever idea, but I can't help but wonder if the reason Rozakis' script calls for one boot to be green instead of pink, or Babs' hair to be green in several panels instead of red, had anything to do with the fact that Jerry Serpe had been making coloring errors in both Batman Family and Teen Titans numerous times over the past few months. One of Serpe's previous errors had been coloring Lilith's hair green instead of red in Teen Titans #52. Once again, Rozakis taunts us for not paying careful enough attention to his meticulous scripting when Dick solves the puzzle of what this guy is up to: But (once again) Rozakis' solution makes precious little sense and is offered in an awkwardly presented epilogue: At which point, Batgirl suddenly gives the villain a backstory and motive that might have been more helpful anywhere other than on the last page of the story: It's just so lazy. Important Details:- Rozakis' final issue scripting the lead story Minor Details:- Harlequin guest appearance - Betty Kane cameo - Unless I missed something, the "Five-in-One-Foe" only has four costumed identities (one of which we only see in a newspaper photo) - Wow is this awkwardly sexist: - Congress and the President of the United States unanimously agrees to resign in under 9 minutes because some anonymous dude hijacked the loudspeaker and threatens to kill them all otherwise. Anyone else have some trouble accepting that? Man-Bat: "Bull's-Eye for Murder!" Script: Bob Rozakis Pencils: Michael Golden Inks: Michael Golden Colors: Jerry Serpe Letters: Clem Robins Grade: C Rozakis and Golden's conclusion to the shotgun sniper storyline is adequate. Golden's art still looks good, but nowhere near as breath-taking as the last installment, and Rozakis manages to introduce his forced epilogue explanations into this story as well, where they come off similarly awkward, unhelpful, and badly paced: Awwww. That's so touching, kissing her and telling her some psycopath was trying to murder her.It's a completely forgettable installment beside the fact that it ends with his wife going into labor. Minor Details:- A giant bat with pants and no shirt walks into a bar... It's safe to say that the Batman Family title had grown completely stale at this point, and the additions of Harlequin and Betty Kane, as well as new tensions developing between Babs, Dick, and Lori, weren't going to be enough to change that. Milgrom made the right call in letting others try a turn at the helm. I truly hope the next issue will be the beginning of something fresh and exciting.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jan 26, 2019 13:42:30 GMT -5
I have this one and it's in the pile of to trade/get rid of despite the presence of Golden artwork. Maybe Rozakis was influenced by being DC 'Answer Man' on the Daily Planet page (their attempt at Bullpen Bulletins)? That would explain why so many of his stories end with A: Because X was really Y, and Z uncovered that fact pages ago.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jan 26, 2019 18:48:12 GMT -5
Over the past two issues each of Batman Family and Teen Titans, I've repeatedly noticed lettering and coloring errors, and not just on the part of a single person. The logical explanation would seem to be that those issues were all rushed, and the single factor they have in common is Bob Rozakis. Seems to me that writing Teen Titans, as well as all three features for Batman Family, is finally catching up to the guy. He's falling behind on deadlines. And thus, I suspect its this and not issues of artistic merit that get Rozakis thrown off the lead feature of Batman Family two issues from now. Besides Teen Titans and Batman Family, Rozakis found time to write other stuff, including Freedom Fighters #5-15, Secret Society of Super-Villains #5-7 & 15, Superboy in Adventure Comics #453-455, and Karate Kid #12-15. I don't think it's fair to say he was thrown off anything. They added a new lead Batman feature written by other people when the issues expanded to 80 pages, but Rozakis continued to write Batgirl, Robin and Man-Bat, contributing 40 pages to BF #17, 31 pages to #18, 34 pages to #19, and 33 pages to #20.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 26, 2019 20:57:12 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair to say he was thrown off anything. They added a new lead Batman feature written by other people when the issues expanded to 80 pages, but Rozakis continued to write Batgirl, Robin and Man-Bat, contributing 40 pages to BF #17, 31 pages to #18, 34 pages to #19, and 33 pages to #20. To be fair, I have not read the issues that follow, but Rozakis went from having complete creative control over this title to writing only the B features. If it really still is Bob Rozakis as usual with an added Batman and Huntress story, I'm sure going to be disappointed
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 26, 2019 23:30:16 GMT -5
Over the past two issues each of Batman Family and Teen Titans, I've repeatedly noticed lettering and coloring errors, and not just on the part of a single person. The logical explanation would seem to be that those issues were all rushed, and the single factor they have in common is Bob Rozakis. Seems to me that writing Teen Titans, as well as all three features for Batman Family, is finally catching up to the guy. He's falling behind on deadlines. And thus, I suspect its this and not issues of artistic merit that get Rozakis thrown off the lead feature of Batman Family two issues from now. Besides Teen Titans and Batman Family, Rozakis found time to write other stuff, including Freedom Fighters #5-15, Secret Society of Super-Villains #5-7 & 15, Superboy in Adventure Comics #453-455, and Karate Kid #12-15. I don't think it's fair to say he was thrown off anything. They added a new lead Batman feature written by other people when the issues expanded to 80 pages, but Rozakis continued to write Batgirl, Robin and Man-Bat, contributing 40 pages to BF #17, 31 pages to #18, 34 pages to #19, and 33 pages to #20. The pattern you see there is Rozakis taking over, after the feature has been abandoned by higher profile writers. Conway started Secret Society and Freedom Fighters; Paul Levitz began Karate Kid, with David Michelinie having the long run on it (for it's short life), while Michelinie took over the Superboy stories. Rozakis wasn't a guy launching many series; he was the guy who inherited series, more often than not. He did more in the way of back-ups and he had some good ones. His talents seemed to be more behind the scenes, in editorial and production, rather than creativity. I think 'Mazing Man was probably the highpoint of his writing career.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 27, 2019 1:15:54 GMT -5
Besides Teen Titans and Batman Family, Rozakis found time to write other stuff, including Freedom Fighters #5-15, Secret Society of Super-Villains #5-7 & 15, Superboy in Adventure Comics #453-455, and Karate Kid #12-15. I don't think it's fair to say he was thrown off anything. They added a new lead Batman feature written by other people when the issues expanded to 80 pages, but Rozakis continued to write Batgirl, Robin and Man-Bat, contributing 40 pages to BF #17, 31 pages to #18, 34 pages to #19, and 33 pages to #20. The pattern you see there is Rozakis taking over, after the feature has been abandoned by higher profile writers. Conway started Secret Society and Freedom Fighters; Paul Levitz began Karate Kid, with David Michelinie having the long run on it (for it's short life), while Michelinie took over the Superboy stories. Rozakis wasn't a guy launching many series; he was the guy who inherited series, more often than not. He did more in the way of back-ups and he had some good ones. His talents seemed to be more behind the scenes, in editorial and production, rather than creativity. I think 'Mazing Man was probably the highpoint of his writing career. ‘Mazing Man is the only good thing he ever wrote.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jan 27, 2019 8:52:27 GMT -5
The pattern you see there is Rozakis taking over, after the feature has been abandoned by higher profile writers. Conway started Secret Society and Freedom Fighters; Paul Levitz began Karate Kid, with David Michelinie having the long run on it (for it's short life), while Michelinie took over the Superboy stories. Rozakis wasn't a guy launching many series; he was the guy who inherited series, more often than not. He did more in the way of back-ups and he had some good ones. I newver knew Michelinie worked on Karate Kid. Was it ever explained why he adopted the Barry Jameson pseudonym?
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jan 27, 2019 8:52:40 GMT -5
<div class="quote" author=" codystarbuck" timestamp="1548563416" source="/post/299589/thread"><div class="quote_body"><div class="quote_avatar_container"><div class="avatar-wrapper avatar_size_quote avatar-553" title="codystarbuck"><img src="http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/77/1086077-howard_chaykin_cody_starbuck.jpg" alt="codystarbuck Avatar"></div></div><div class="quote_header"><a href="/post/299589/thread"><abbr data-timestamp="1548563416000" title="Jan 27, 2019 4:30:16 GMT" class="o-timestamp time">Jan 27, 2019 4:30:16 GMT</abbr></a> <span itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><a href="/user/553" class="user-link js-user-link user-553 group-0" itemprop="url" title=" codystarbuck"><span itemprop="name">codystarbuck</span></a></span> said:</div><div class="quote" author=" chaykinstevens" source="/post/299573/thread" timestamp="1548546492"><div class="quote_body"><div class="quote_avatar_container"><div class="avatar-wrapper avatar_size_quote avatar-389" title="chaykinstevens"><img src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/defaultavatar.png" alt="chaykinstevens Avatar"></div></div><div class="quote_header"><a href="/post/299573/thread"><abbr title="Jan 26, 2019 23:48:12 GMT" data-timestamp="1548546492000" class="o-timestamp time">Jan 26, 2019 23:48:12 GMT</abbr></a> <span itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><a href="/user/389" class="user-link js-user-link user-389 group-0" itemprop="url" title=" chaykinstevens"><span itemprop="name">chaykinstevens</span></a></span> said:</div>Besides Teen Titans and Batman Family, Rozakis found time to write other stuff, including Freedom Fighters #5-15, Secret Society of Super-Villains #5-7 & 15, Superboy in Adventure Comics #453-455, and Karate Kid #12-15. I don't think it's fair to say he was thrown off anything. They added a new lead Batman feature written by other people when the issues expanded to 80 pages, but Rozakis continued to write Batgirl, Robin and Man-Bat, contributing 40 pages to BF #17, 31 pages to #18, 34 pages to #19, and 33 pages to #20.<br><div class="quote_clear"></div></div></div>The pattern you see there is Rozakis taking over, after the feature has been abandoned by higher profile writers. Conway started Secret Society and Freedom Fighters; Paul Levitz began Karate Kid, with David Michelinie having the long run on it (for it's short life), while Michelinie took over the Superboy stories. Rozakis wasn't a guy launching many series; he was the guy who inherited series, more often than not. He did more in the way of back-ups and he had some good ones. His talents seemed to be more behind the scenes, in editorial and production, rather than creativity. I think 'Mazing Man was probably the highpoint of his writing career.<div class="quote_clear"></div></div></div><br>
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